Since when did War become such anti war.

[caesar2]

I would not make examples from past... as I would not agree that TA or TAF can protect defences... the size makes it bad looking, but its working perfectly by oweral view...

lets say alliance has 40 members, and oposite side has 25 members... to mass 40 members is by thi system bit harder as it was few years ago... but it was not good as well Raven. It was stupid that one player with owerboosted account with rare skill came and massed 40 players at a go...

So now it would take team of massers, few hours, maybe days, cuse oposite side repairs, hits PPT, etc... but until you finish 40th player, the 1st massed is fully rebuilt... cuse theres huge UP standard... and incomes via planets, etc.

So The alliance with 40 members uses all advantage, rebuilds, repairs, use alliance PPTs and repairs... and attacker is massing all the time in magic circles...

However... I hates Jasosn updates, never liked them and will proved it many times ingame.

But... you guys are completly bad in this topic... one of you is complaining about game, but he returned after few years, so ofcorurse game is changed,
another is complaining abnout empire system... which is old old story... and was critizied since first Empire started... nomether what for update came...
thirt is complaining that he cant go and mass whole alliance like he used to before ANTISNIPER updates... which led to another game age... Jason just moved one pole to another... moved North to south... but if there or there, cold is everywhere...

Bloodwar... rofl... FAIL after FAIL... nobody wants it cuse it cuts you and your alliance from the server... how stupid... but war/war sounds good... for that we have houses and oposite houses... so we have noe triple war/war sets.,.. rofl...

And you guys are complaining, that you cant mass alliance?

All arguments here, and TAF used as an example... realy... cmon... this has no BACKUP... this is very funny...

But I hate alliance repairs and PPTs didnt I abused it when I had my defo? which lasted months and than was given to DDE? Cuse we could hold it for another 10 months if we wanted, but it was boring... 4 days PPT, 3 days off... wathicng logs, alliance logs, repairing and hitting allaince PPT... sneding msg via phones, members calling... bah... this is not what many of us wants... the game should be for fun... not your adopted life

[Raven]

I am not perse complaining Ceasar, just sharing my vieuw in why i don't get hooked to the game anymore. Why i don't enjoy the game right now.
Wether the system in place is good is up to opinions.

[Borek]

Well lets be honest Raven AKA Tommen, you have a bad habit of threatening anyone who farmed your low defense with massings despite you having a weak account. You don't want to listen to advice people give you, won't trade for a better account, won't improve your own account much, then after building up a 32t strike on a C34 account and getting it sabbed down, twice, you go inactive then start up a thread complaining about TAF and how unfair the current game is.

Bottom line you never did anything in this game in the past, you just happened to be part of TL whilst other far better players started wars and built up strong account whilst you leeched off their power and it allowed you to threaten and bully in their name.

Of course now you are part of a small alliance and you still have that 5 yrs old mentality that you should be able to bully and snipe anyone you want just because 5 yrs ago you were in a TL that does not even exist anymore. Yes the TL name stands, but the modern TL is not a bunch of bullies looking to dominate the server and take on anyone who is a threat to that domination. Ironically they are much like TAF is, just friends playing, having fun chatting and chilling out with each other and when threatened in game sure they will fight, but they do not look for the fight so much as react to the threat of a fight.

I could give you more advice but lets face it you won't listen, i already crushed you so badly you went inactive in game after you threatened to mass me for farming you once, then built up to try and do just that...twice.

So this is your plan, you failed at massing me, i happen to be in TAF now, was not when you threatened me, so now you try and poke at TAF and make us out to be what is wrong with the game. Too funny, man up, work on your account, make some more friends and play the game AS IT IS NOW not how it WAS 5 YRS AGO and you may find you like some of the changes.

P.S
for those outsiders reading this i even sent him a message on New Years Day saying just set me to neutral and i will consider the issues over and do the same, nothing else said...I had no response and apart from taking a few ppts a week he's never rebuilt or done anything. Like i say, relic from the bad old days, game has changed, time to adjust.

[~Dä Vinci~]

owned, if you can't adjust just don't play.

so what if it's become more of a team game you can still 1vs1 in vendettas unless ure alliance ppts you half way through fighting cough robert cough.

[Raven]

Well lets be honest Raven AKA Tommen, you have a bad habit of threatening anyone who farmed your low defense with massings despite you having a weak account. You don't want to listen to advice people give you, won't trade for a better account, won't improve your own account much, then after building up a 32t strike on a C34 account and getting it sabbed down, twice, you go inactive then start up a thread complaining about TAF and how unfair the current game is.

Bottom line you never did anything in this game in the past, you just happened to be part of TL whilst other far better players started wars and built up strong account whilst you leeched off their power and it allowed you to threaten and bully in their name.

Of course now you are part of a small alliance and you still have that 5 yrs old mentality that you should be able to bully and snipe anyone you want just because 5 yrs ago you were in a TL that does not even exist anymore. Yes the TL name stands, but the modern TL is not a bunch of bullies looking to dominate the server and take on anyone who is a threat to that domination. Ironically they are much like TAF is, just friends playing, having fun chatting and chilling out with each other and when threatened in game sure they will fight, but they do not look for the fight so much as react to the threat of a fight.

I could give you more advice but lets face it you won't listen, i already crushed you so badly you went inactive in game after you threatened to mass me for farming you once, then built up to try and do just that...twice.

So this is your plan, you failed at massing me, i happen to be in TAF now, was not when you threatened me, so now you try and poke at TAF and make us out to be what is wrong with the game. Too funny, man up, work on your account, make some more friends and play the game AS IT IS NOW not how it WAS 5 YRS AGO and you may find you like some of the changes.

P.S
for those outsiders reading this i even sent him a message on New Years Day saying just set me to neutral and i will consider the issues over and do the same, nothing else said...I had no response and apart from taking a few ppts a week he's never rebuilt or done anything. Like i say, relic from the bad old days, game has changed, time to adjust.

I did not fail at massing you at all. You just lucked out jumping on PPT the moment i was gonna take your precious stats. After that i just have to much to do in RL and the game is just so boring war wise. I have massed dozens of people since i have been back, why you think you are a special snowflake is beyond me. It was already completely clear to me that massing is pointless in this game.

You can try and deform the thread even more by claiming unrealistic things, i have nothing to proof to you about my share of what i did in those wars. Anyone that was there know what you say is just a laugh really. And more a personality issue with you. It is not my problem your pathetic mindset is the cause of you being bullied by TL members for years. But hey, if that is what you want feel free.

Please again, keep on topic. I don't care about what some random person thinks of me personally or about TL. The thread is about why the war element of this game has been reduced to dust.

[Borek]

what issues have i got? i farmed a dude with a sub-1t defense for 700b naq, who then threatened to mass me, attempted to double strike, i didn't even notice just happened to ppt at the time, had someone recon you an hour before my ppt dropped because we were having a good laugh about some silly lil noob with a big mouth making threats when i got told you had a 32t strike with 40m spies on a c34.

We laughed some more and i obviously massacred you because what is the point in giving someone quite obviously out to mass me a free pass.

At that point i asked around about you and was told it was not the 1st time you had smack-talked like you were a big-shot and been spanked down, so i kept an eye whenever i was on farming, sure enough was not long after and you rearmed your supers, this time with less than 2m spies to protect them.

Clearly you are tactically incompetant so i sabbed again, even gave you a good few weeks to get some payback before offering you a neutral deal which your precious ego couldn't even bear to consider.

Since then you have done nothing apart from make this thread and whine about the game mechanics when there's nothing wrong with the game mechanics, the problem is you have a **** account and act like you are a big-shot.

My stats are not precious, i had those stats when i bought that account, been massed more times than i can count, if i wake up with nothing it's hardly a big deal. I'm the one still playing the game with a group of awesome people and having fun, you are the one posting a rant about how the game sucks and how unfair it is.

As for what you did in the war then i have a pretty good idea as i was in the war, no one in the server war on any side even remembers you, and i am not the one posting a thread about the good old days that only existed in your deluded mind.

And for the record a large proportion of the COP defenses that got massed were actually by Qacol in TAF, yes some TL members did go big back then, Extremer in particular got a good few of us, but some nobody called Raven...nope, that guy didn't do anything at all.

[Juliette]

So we go back further.. to Alpha vs FRA. Before the days of true paypal-pimping (in the resource-amounts of today; cash amounts are about the same as they have always been)..

Raven did a good number there, as I recall..

[Raven]

what issues have i got? i farmed a dude with a sub-1t defense for 700b naq, who then threatened to mass me, attempted to double strike, i didn't even notice just happened to ppt at the time, had someone recon you an hour before my ppt dropped because we were having a good laugh about some silly lil noob with a big mouth making threats when i got told you had a 32t strike with 40m spies on a c34.

We laughed some more and i obviously massacred you because what is the point in giving someone quite obviously out to mass me a free pass.

At that point i asked around about you and was told it was not the 1st time you had smack-talked like you were a big-shot and been spanked down, so i kept an eye whenever i was on farming, sure enough was not long after and you rearmed your supers, this time with less than 2m spies to protect them.

Clearly you are tactically incompetant so i sabbed again, even gave you a good few weeks to get some payback before offering you a neutral deal which your precious ego couldn't even bear to consider.

Since then you have done nothing apart from make this thread and whine about the game mechanics when there's nothing wrong with the game mechanics, the problem is you have a **** account and act like you are a big-shot.

My stats are not precious, i had those stats when i bought that account, been massed more times than i can count, if i wake up with nothing it's hardly a big deal. I'm the one still playing the game with a group of awesome people and having fun, you are the one posting a rant about how the game sucks and how unfair it is.

As for what you did in the war then i have a pretty good idea as i was in the war, no one in the server war on any side even remembers you, and i am not the one posting a thread about the good old days that only existed in your deluded mind.

And for the record a large proportion of the COP defenses that got massed were actually by Qacol in TAF, yes some TL members did go big back then, Extremer in particular got a good few of us, but some nobody called Raven...nope, that guy didn't do anything at all.

Again, don't blame me for your insane depression with TL. I suggest a shrink would be the solution for you.

1. I have not been massed since i have been back by anyone who hasn't been massed back by me.
2. Why do you need 40/40 to be able to play with noobs like you?
3. I massed countless of CoP defences before they were even called like that. ( Including multiple top defences at the time)
4. Have fun jumping alliance again when you see someone with abit more power
5. Who the hell are you? Are you still mad at me for not remembering who you were in our Pm's?

Anyway a mod hopefully will clean up this mess soon. Getting more tired of responding to forum warriors then to actually get this thread going.

[Borek]

lol, i have no issues with TL, used to chat to a bunch of them on skype before Robe left the game. Real question is why you think i have.

You couldn't play with me, that's the whole point of your little rant-fest here, you got spanked and chose to complain about the game mechanics instead of fight back or accept an olive branch from someone who had no desire to fight you in the 1st place and only did because you built up to mass and failed, twice.

I'm fighting people in Mayhem atm with 40/40 accounts, why would i need to leave to seek protection from anyone, i'm in TAF because they are great people and i have fun every time i log into the skype convo.

I'm someone who people can remember from the server war...lol, not that i care about being known or not, i play for the people not because i need an ego boost. Only reason i even mentioned it in the PM you referred too is because i hoped you would not be a complete **** and declare war on someone with a clearly superior account because 1 more bitter and sad player ranting about how unfair the game is and quitting is not good for the long term sgw game prospects.

Although this little rant of yours and your obvious delusions of grandeur from 5 yrs ago has convinced me sgw is better off without you, so scuttle off little troll.

[doc holliday]

The ony reason extremer failed with his 14t strike was because I massed all of fuall first with my 13t strike. Just clearing up a little history tho that was fuall war. Here's a sig I made a long time ago on noted defenses I killed with major support from TAF. And you are correct in the fact that back then it was much harder to recover from.(but most everything else you have said is a tad bit off) That is why KGC quit

[Mathlord]

[spoiler]

Sigh, obviously you were just TL during the CoP vs CIA war. But TL is TLE, just as I will interchangeably say TA and TAF (even though at the time of the Faction war we were just TA and we didn't really use the TAF moniker til 2007...annnnnnyway. My point is that you were in the CoP vs CIA war alone for less than a week then all sorts of alliances joined your cause, including TAF. I have not denied ever in this discussion that TL did great things in that war but to think that keeping CoP down was anything but a team effort is ludicrous. That TL was still around at the beginning of the last server war. They were the core of the TL part of TLE. It was eXtremer who built a 12 tril strike first month of that war to attempt to take down FUALL's defenses. It failed...but he was still playing. As was Svarun, Satyricon, Killy, many more. TLE was at its "zenith" in the months leading up to the FUALL vs TTF war, but exams and personal commitments and who knows what else meant that the vast majority of that zenith TLE was very quiet after the first couple weeks of that war...

You may not remember me, but I do remember you. That's okay, I didn't really associate with people outside TAF in those days. It was enough to deal with remembering who everyone in TAF was let alone all you...interesting...people...

Then again you really don't remember anything that wasn't done by you and your friends in TL over the course of one week in a stalemate of a war? Guess that was the pinnacle of your playing career

I played this game for over 3 years so i am not sure where your week came from. You are talking about 14 trill offence, you have no clue how long it took for those to be available. CoP did not even exist when TL did your dirty work. You claim Omega layed down after a 1 week stalemate, then where was TA, if it obviously took only a week to put Omega on its knees, then TA surely could have done that? I do actually remember alot of good fighters from TA and alot of other alliances in those days, don't be sad that you are not one of them. It kinda took effort to make your name unlike it is now.

Wars in the past were fought in the first couple weeks anyway, it was not as forgiving as the game is now. Without alliance assistance multiple trill defences were out of the question to be rebuild just to have a laugh. It is unimaginable for me that you don't understand if you take the losses away in a war game the fun will go. The losses are truly gone, the only way for you to re feel that is to lose your lvl 40 cov )if you have one) That is how much pain it was.

You and alot of new TLE members like to preach how you skillfully bored everyone out of the game. The Fuall war destroyed this game, and here you are boasting about how you skillfully survived it. I suggest you either stay on topic or just don't post here anymore, your history is flawed, your timelines are flawed. And finally to end your pink bubble, sitting out the most boring war in history of SGW does not take skill.

Wars in those times were far from perfect, right now you are on the edge of completely safeguarding big alliances. The only reason the TA is as arrogant as they are right now (And this is not a debatable thing) is because numbers protect them. The game protects numbers. Nobody wants to play a game where there are ZERO losses, only the settled players want it to remain the same.

[/spoiler]

Gosh your reading comprehension skills are atrocious. Do you know why the server war "killed" the game? Because people like you found the hard work of finishing what you started too boring to stick around, not that you admittedly started much of anything either. That war didn't need to be years long. Good activity across the board, as opposed to just from a couple TTF alliances, would have changed the course of everything. But no, it was much easier for people like you to run and hide then moan about how dull it was. The funny thing? For those of us that actually fought day in and day out against the odds, it was a blast...all of these wars have been. You may have done "great" things six years ago, but that was six years ago and obviously your inflated self-importance makes you think your glory week was the best moment in this game's history and the only week that actually matters.

PS Oh so TA did have good fighters back then...but I thought we didn't do anything in that war...

[Field Marshall]

[spoiler]

Sigh, obviously you were just TL during the CoP vs CIA war. But TL is TLE, just as I will interchangeably say TA and TAF (even though at the time of the Faction war we were just TA and we didn't really use the TAF moniker til 2007...annnnnnyway. My point is that you were in the CoP vs CIA war alone for less than a week then all sorts of alliances joined your cause, including TAF. I have not denied ever in this discussion that TL did great things in that war but to think that keeping CoP down was anything but a team effort is ludicrous. That TL was still around at the beginning of the last server war. They were the core of the TL part of TLE. It was eXtremer who built a 12 tril strike first month of that war to attempt to take down FUALL's defenses. It failed...but he was still playing. As was Svarun, Satyricon, Killy, many more. TLE was at its "zenith" in the months leading up to the FUALL vs TTF war, but exams and personal commitments and who knows what else meant that the vast majority of that zenith TLE was very quiet after the first couple weeks of that war...

You may not remember me, but I do remember you. That's okay, I didn't really associate with people outside TAF in those days. It was enough to deal with remembering who everyone in TAF was let alone all you...interesting...people...

Then again you really don't remember anything that wasn't done by you and your friends in TL over the course of one week in a stalemate of a war? Guess that was the pinnacle of your playing career

I played this game for over 3 years so i am not sure where your week came from. You are talking about 14 trill offence, you have no clue how long it took for those to be available. CoP did not even exist when TL did your dirty work. You claim Omega layed down after a 1 week stalemate, then where was TA, if it obviously took only a week to put Omega on its knees, then TA surely could have done that? I do actually remember alot of good fighters from TA and alot of other alliances in those days, don't be sad that you are not one of them. It kinda took effort to make your name unlike it is now.

Wars in the past were fought in the first couple weeks anyway, it was not as forgiving as the game is now. Without alliance assistance multiple trill defences were out of the question to be rebuild just to have a laugh. It is unimaginable for me that you don't understand if you take the losses away in a war game the fun will go. The losses are truly gone, the only way for you to re feel that is to lose your lvl 40 cov )if you have one) That is how much pain it was.

You and alot of new TLE members like to preach how you skillfully bored everyone out of the game. The Fuall war destroyed this game, and here you are boasting about how you skillfully survived it. I suggest you either stay on topic or just don't post here anymore, your history is flawed, your timelines are flawed. And finally to end your pink bubble, sitting out the most boring war in history of SGW does not take skill.

Wars in those times were far from perfect, right now you are on the edge of completely safeguarding big alliances. The only reason the TA is as arrogant as they are right now (And this is not a debatable thing) is because numbers protect them. The game protects numbers. Nobody wants to play a game where there are ZERO losses, only the settled players want it to remain the same.

[/spoiler]

Gosh your reading comprehension skills are atrocious. Do you know why the server war "killed" the game? Because people like you found the hard work of finishing what you started too boring to stick around, not that you admittedly started much of anything either. That war didn't need to be years long. Good activity across the board, as opposed to just from a couple TTF alliances, would have changed the course of everything. But no, it was much easier for people like you to run and hide then moan about how dull it was. The funny thing? For those of us that actually fought day in and day out against the odds, it was a blast...all of these wars have been. You may have done "great" things six years ago, but that was six years ago and obviously your inflated self-importance makes you think your glory week was the best moment in this game's history and the only week that actually matters.

PS Oh so TA did have good fighters back then...but I thought we didn't do anything in that war...

That's the reason WoB died

They killed us, with their stupid war. Then TL started stealing our members, which you then trained up and sent off to betray all of us.

Stupid Caprilla. She was stupid...and chubby

[Raven]

[spoiler]

Sigh, obviously you were just TL during the CoP vs CIA war. But TL is TLE, just as I will interchangeably say TA and TAF (even though at the time of the Faction war we were just TA and we didn't really use the TAF moniker til 2007...annnnnnyway. My point is that you were in the CoP vs CIA war alone for less than a week then all sorts of alliances joined your cause, including TAF. I have not denied ever in this discussion that TL did great things in that war but to think that keeping CoP down was anything but a team effort is ludicrous. That TL was still around at the beginning of the last server war. They were the core of the TL part of TLE. It was eXtremer who built a 12 tril strike first month of that war to attempt to take down FUALL's defenses. It failed...but he was still playing. As was Svarun, Satyricon, Killy, many more. TLE was at its "zenith" in the months leading up to the FUALL vs TTF war, but exams and personal commitments and who knows what else meant that the vast majority of that zenith TLE was very quiet after the first couple weeks of that war...

You may not remember me, but I do remember you. That's okay, I didn't really associate with people outside TAF in those days. It was enough to deal with remembering who everyone in TAF was let alone all you...interesting...people...

Then again you really don't remember anything that wasn't done by you and your friends in TL over the course of one week in a stalemate of a war? Guess that was the pinnacle of your playing career

I played this game for over 3 years so i am not sure where your week came from. You are talking about 14 trill offence, you have no clue how long it took for those to be available. CoP did not even exist when TL did your dirty work. You claim Omega layed down after a 1 week stalemate, then where was TA, if it obviously took only a week to put Omega on its knees, then TA surely could have done that? I do actually remember alot of good fighters from TA and alot of other alliances in those days, don't be sad that you are not one of them. It kinda took effort to make your name unlike it is now.

Wars in the past were fought in the first couple weeks anyway, it was not as forgiving as the game is now. Without alliance assistance multiple trill defences were out of the question to be rebuild just to have a laugh. It is unimaginable for me that you don't understand if you take the losses away in a war game the fun will go. The losses are truly gone, the only way for you to re feel that is to lose your lvl 40 cov )if you have one) That is how much pain it was.

You and alot of new TLE members like to preach how you skillfully bored everyone out of the game. The Fuall war destroyed this game, and here you are boasting about how you skillfully survived it. I suggest you either stay on topic or just don't post here anymore, your history is flawed, your timelines are flawed. And finally to end your pink bubble, sitting out the most boring war in history of SGW does not take skill.

Wars in those times were far from perfect, right now you are on the edge of completely safeguarding big alliances. The only reason the TA is as arrogant as they are right now (And this is not a debatable thing) is because numbers protect them. The game protects numbers. Nobody wants to play a game where there are ZERO losses, only the settled players want it to remain the same.

[/spoiler]

Gosh your reading comprehension skills are atrocious. Do you know why the server war "killed" the game? Because people like you found the hard work of finishing what you started too boring to stick around, not that you admittedly started much of anything either. That war didn't need to be years long. Good activity across the board, as opposed to just from a couple TTF alliances, would have changed the course of everything. But no, it was much easier for people like you to run and hide then moan about how dull it was. The funny thing? For those of us that actually fought day in and day out against the odds, it was a blast...all of these wars have been. You may have done "great" things six years ago, but that was six years ago and obviously your inflated self-importance makes you think your glory week was the best moment in this game's history and the only week that actually matters.

PS Oh so TA did have good fighters back then...but I thought we didn't do anything in that war...

Really? Do you not think it had anything to do with how insanely boring a stalemate is. Its hilarious you put the death of the game to the few people that left. I and quite a few others made enough money to fully pay for a uni degree. Maybe some people just have a better idea where to put their priorities. Very few choose to play an utterly boring game instead.

And yes TA and all the other alliances that eventually got involved had good fighters. People that could mass but also rebuild. You sadly were not one of them. Although this was alot later then the first strike happened. When there was no CoP and Omega got massed by TL. Or maybe it was TL getting massed by Omega i don't remember exactly. Either way TA was not part of that. So stop bringing up later server wars. Most likely i had a list of people who thought they can buy skill with money, and i took advantage of that. Sue me.

Thanks for completely derailing this topic into something else. I am not gonna bother anymore with responding. It's obvious that the dozens that are still around are fine with the game. Keep pumping the money in!

[Mathlord]

I do wonder.. are we talking about the same wars?

Yes...Raven is just of the opinion that the only week that mattered in the CoP vs CIA war was the first one before TL got a whooooooole lotttttta help.

As for the second server war, it didn't get boring when most of the old guard quit. It hadn't reached stalemate yet. In fact, FUALL defenses weren't even down when most of you decided that you were "tired" of the game and now was the time to get out while the getting out was good. I think you were scared because you knew you didn't have the determination to see the war you had been building up for a year through...but maybe that's just me. Doc brought down at least 2/3 of the top defenses in FUALL...Odin took down quite a few others. Those were the two epic massers of the first month of the server war.

Noone says you can't have an opinion. But knock a modern war until you fight one. Vague history that you yourself can't remember right serves no purpose here. Would never have had to derail the topic if you didn't have to be an arrogant little twerp trying to make your own history better at the expense of your ally's

[xDaku]

Such a stupid way to go off topic. You both suck, move on.

And math, knocking me on not fighting the best of the best is hilarious. Only two people I haven't faced is you and Kj, cause Kj's been having his quit streak again and we both know I was more than willing to take you on a few times.

I don't like the current war system. I like the team play, I don't like the defensive nature of it. Blood war can fix that, but hasn't yet. I don't think activity should be punished, but I think more emphasis should be put on the activity helping out their own account rather than someone who's not active.

I've always been someone that has found offline massings boring and yea, they have a place in war, but it shouldn't cut off the fun of a head to head battle completely. Atm, gnr phasing and a bunch of other features do that. I loved the double strike update, it balanced out with the lower def loss ratios. I think alliance PPT should be removed if gnr phasing gets removed...that's a good balance imo.