Game Suggestions

[Juliette]

Yes but not main account to NG-Main account!

True. Main and NG-Main however, are linked clearly enough for the game administration (including the ones who needlessly try to hide their legal multi's association - unnecessary tricks). We have 8 years of logs and increasingly effective ways of finding who is who, and who they have been when.

Whatsmore, you can't code things in.

Actually, I can. Considering this would require primarily a minor addition to the 'Ascension to Main' process in NG, that would be my code; I code all of NewGrounds. Then a single line of code in the spy log reports and you can find which NG-Main is connected to your NG account. The Main element would be almost the same single line of code on the spy log page, which I can write and test, but not put into Main Live, fair enough, you do have that correct.


(Oh, and apologies for occasionally calling you a troll. You are, only occasionally.)

Its going to be some feature that no one wants.

I am quite sure most people will get over any displeasure they will have over any update, like people got over their aversion to Motherships, to Ascended, to Alliance Management, to legal multies..

[Loki™]

Oh c'mon who wanted legal multies?

[Juliette]

Oh c'mon who wanted legal multies?

Exactly the point. Very few people wanted them, and many people are using them now. Like I said, they got over their dislike for the update.

[Bioflick]

Oh c'mon who wanted legal multies?

Exactly the point. Very few people wanted them, and almost everyone is using them now. Like I said, they got over their dislike for the update.

Wrong. they use them cos they need them, cos its unfair if someone else got them and you dont in a war +++. besides its handy to have if you wanna play when your on ppt with main account, but other than that .. meeh

[Mathlord]

Oh c'mon who wanted legal multies?

Exactly the point. Very few people wanted them, and almost everyone is using them now. Like I said, they got over their dislike for the update.

Wrong. they use them cos they need them, cos its unfair if someone else got them and you dont in a war +++. besides its handy to have if you wanna play when your on ppt with main account, but other than that .. meeh

Exactly. It's still a terrible update. But the ship sailed and we'll use them instead of being overpowered by others. This game is all about adaptation. Not necessarily because we like an update, but because the alternative is not being competitive. I don't like double strikes, but you bet I'll use them ha.

Game is what it is. We play it because we like the experience. It would be nice to have an administration that pays more attention, but at the end of the day, it's Jason's game, not ours and if it really hurt us so badly, we could always leave and play any of the other 10,000 games on the market.

[Loki™]

What the gentlemen above said.

Game is what it is. We play it because we like the experience. It would be nice to have an administration that pays more attention, but at the end of the day, it's Jason's game, not ours and if it really hurt us so badly, we could always leave and play any of the other 10,000 games on the market.

I've tried but none of them offer quite what I want. Many of them are better than GW but they still miss something that'd make me continue playing them.

[Juliette]

Wrong. they use them cos they need them, cos its unfair if someone else got them and you dont in a war +++. besides its handy to have if you wanna play when your on ppt with main account, but other than that .. meeh

Like I said. You got over it. You are using it, are you not? Whether you adapt by force or of your own volition, you adapt. Adapting is the very core of getting over something.

Exactly. It's still a terrible update. But the ship sailed and we'll use them instead of being overpowered by others. This game is all about adaptation. Not necessarily because we like an update, but because the alternative is not being competitive. I don't like double strikes, but you bet I'll use them ha.

Game is what it is. We play it because we like the experience. It would be nice to have an administration that pays more attention, but at the end of the day, it's Jason's game, not ours and if it really hurt us so badly, we could always leave and play any of the other 10,000 games on the market.

Exactly. You adapted. You got over it.

I have not said people now like the update, but the stages of denial, anger and sadness have passed, now is the time of a pragmatic, utilitarian approach. We have already seen people who from day 1 felt that such an update would be good. Admittedly, not very many, but they were there. With each step away from resentment to "Alright, I'll just use it because others do", and on to "This is useful!", these people gain voices. As history of this game has shown, with the 23 ascensions, with planets, with motherships.. people cling to their old ways at first, then 'are forced to use' the new situation to their advantage, if only to keep up, then everyone does it, then people start liking it, and then it is an undeniable part of the game. It is how it has been in the past, and it is how it will be in the very near future.


We are actually a lot more in agreement than this back and forth suggests. We just disagree on a few precise words.

[SuperSaiyan]

Oh c'mon who wanted legal multies?

Exactly the point. Very few people wanted them, and many people are using them now. Like I said, they got over their dislike for the update.

And this... right here... is exactly the problem.
You can sit there and admit that almost no one wanted it or liked it and yet it got implemented anyway. Why?

The sheer arrogance of that notion is down right ridiculous.

"I hear no one wants this update, but cause I'm me you're getting it anyway"

When did kingdom games become microsoft?

[Loki™]

Sorry but that's the worst argument I've ever heard Jo.

[Guild]

I despise the very idea of NG multis, but ill be at a big disadvantage if i dont get one now you idiots have forced them into the game when you could of solved many other problems

the funniest thing is how much of a joke NG actually is, i didnt need to farm once the naq you get from the MT's is big enough to put no effort into the game

[Juliette]

Exactly the point. Very few people wanted them, and many people are using them now. Like I said, they got over their dislike for the update.

And this... right here... is exactly the problem.
You can sit there and admit that almost no one wanted it or liked it and yet it got implemented anyway. Why?

Because all change battles through opposition. Because that was the only feasible way in which to integrate NG into Main. Because that was our decision.

The sheer arrogance of that notion is down right ridiculous.

Hardly. This is still Jason's game, if he wants to replace Motherships with Chickens he can do so at his leisure. While feedback is being listened to (as you very well know), most often it is too scattered and unfeasible to be useful. We have used bits and pieces suggested by people in setting up the NG-Main concept. When no one recognises what has been taken from their ideas, that is not really my business, is it?

"I hear no one wants this update, but cause I'm me you're getting it anyway"

When did kingdom games become microsoft?

If only we had their R&D funds.. but yes, true. As Main's history shows, aside from the few 'disliked' updates, there have been a lot of updates/tweaks/balancing acts put in play at the request of players.. and in the case of disliked updates, the playerbase has adapted with varying degrees of success.

Hell, one minute you accuse admin of following certain groups when releasing updates, and the next you turn around and say he never listens to anyone? Make up your damned mind. This is what I meant with 'scattered feedback'. One week it is this, the next something mutually exclusive with the first complaint. You might get an idea of how challenging it is trying to sort through all kinds of negative feedback (because one thing is a common thread throughout suggestions, they are either "I want free stuff" or "Bloody Admins change this NOW", it has been a while since we had a positively surprising suggestion). Case and point, as well as the proverbial exception to the rule are alive and well in the For Admin section.

[Sol]

I recall seeing that SOL is being given the keys to the main server, considering his brilliant overhaul to ascended and updates over the last couple of years, hopefully we'll see something before long.

Not really comforting when he says things like this:

Eh cbf, I'll just slowly give away quads of dmu and ppt to people who can be bothered.
It's not hard .

viewtopic.php?p=2545177#p2545177

You can only spread a comment so far before it looses it's relevancy, the bound was crossed from putting effort into competitions (with no suggestions otherwise) and voluntarily coding.

Anyway, I'm in fact not the coder for main, I just found it funny no one in Juliettes thread read the OP. One would think anyway, the first announcement would be somewhere other than This That and Those and by someone other than me.
As much as I would like to anyway, I just don't physically have the time nor would Jason let me (I don't think as it's his 'pride and joy').

Has anyone tried to get people together and flood him on IRC again?

[Sol]

Whatsmore, you can't code things in. All you can do is say "Jay, babez, here's an idea...". Luckily it's an easy thing to achieve and we'll probably see it. Pointless but easy.

Eh she can , I would be going to her for NG suggestions.
She has a very good idea for NG actually just got to code it up and implement it, would be a pretty wicked idea to get into main and ascended as well.

[Sol]

Also a bit more on topic, you should try and compile a list of suggestions/updates that need to be done on main, for AJ. Like Ifrit's sticky for ascended viewtopic.php?f=32&t=180589, helped a lot when considering what to add/change or not.
If you compile a list that most if not all people agree with then AJ might slowly pick them off and integrate them. I would suggest making it as simple as possible (the suggestion) or even ordering it by the the time you would think it would take to complete it.

[Guild]

Also a bit more on topic, you should try and compile a list of suggestions/updates that need to be done on main, for AJ. Like Ifrit's sticky for ascended viewtopic.php?f=32&t=180589, helped a lot when considering what to add/change or not.
If you compile a list that most if not all people agree with then AJ might slowly pick them off and integrate them. I would suggest making it as simple as possible (the suggestion) or even ordering it by the the time you would think it would take to complete it.

Bloodrealm
Those on PPT stay in normal realm
Remove Glory Shop
Remove $$$ PPT
change win to % killed


agreed by only 2 alliance to have taken part in it, suggestions were made after the 1st one....nothing done

changes suggested by the second... nothing done.

how far into admins face do we have to put our suggestions again