DDE on behalf of DOC - C2's Xmass gift

[Belsamber]

Madman(Recruiting)
So boring
[ The Legion - ActuallyQuiteSane]
Disciples of Khunsu (Light)
DESCENDED UnNamed of the AJNA

[MaxSterling]

Oderint dum metuant.
Roma invicta.

instead of Oderint dum metuant. it should be morituri te salutamus

gluteus maximus?

[~Tziki~]

C2,

I can show you over 10 chats between DDE leadership and TL leaders about the DRA. I told them on many occasions that your members viewed a DRA differently then we do. Your leadership originally proposed the DRA to avoid wars.
We agreed it was NOT to be abused and they were gonna talk to your members.

You (TL) are guilty of: Turn farming my members on ascended when they are farming. And we have for WEEKS sent the members PM's without ANY response at all. You have hit on main under the ratio - and not to mention two of your members ABUSED the DRA during our war. After which we showed you the courtesy of showing TL the upmost respect during your war as per requested.

Rob did not 'beak' any agreement - he followed DDE protocol and defended his alliance.

So do the same as I told you with the comment in the opening post, and shove that DRA where the sun don't shine.

-KJ

Not to play devils advocate or anything (think i got the saying right)
But it was rob who breached the DRA and massed me when i was in TL a while ago. Granted im not in TL anymore and thats rather irrelevant now, but in the same sense its relevant to your post because in that regard the DRA has been pointless for quite some time, since it really isnt so much a DRA as one way NAP in disguise. IT didnt and hasnt stopped massings from DDE, and isnt the idea to repay non ratio hits?

dont get me wrong im not pretending to have any idea whats gone on, just trying to put some logic into the debate, although my info is based on outdated sources.


never the less, no sense to argue on the "why it started" so much as to focus on the "how it can be stopped from happening again"

have fun working that goal out

[Tetrismonkey]

[Guild]

I remember that incident, you were taking the piss with the farming, you were going to get massed by rob or someone else, there was no two ways about it

[jedi~tank]

C2,

I can show you over 10 chats between DDE leadership and TL leaders about the DRA. I told them on many occasions that your members viewed a DRA differently then we do. Your leadership originally proposed the DRA to avoid wars.
We agreed it was NOT to be abused and they were gonna talk to your members.

You (TL) are guilty of: Turn farming my members on ascended when they are farming. And we have for WEEKS sent the members PM's without ANY response at all. You have hit on main under the ratio - and not to mention two of your members ABUSED the DRA during our war. After which we showed you the courtesy of showing TL the upmost respect during your war as per requested.

Rob did not 'beak' any agreement - he followed DDE protocol and defended his alliance.

So do the same as I told you with the comment in the opening post, and shove that DRA where the sun don't shine.

-KJ

Not to play devils advocate or anything (think i got the saying right)
But it was rob who breached the DRA and massed me when i was in TL a while ago. Granted im not in TL anymore and thats rather irrelevant now, but in the same sense its relevant to your post because in that regard the DRA has been pointless for quite some time, since it really isnt so much a DRA as one way NAP in disguise. IT didnt and hasnt stopped massings from DDE, and isnt the idea to repay non ratio hits?

dont get me wrong im not pretending to have any idea whats gone on, just trying to put some logic into the debate, although my info is based on outdated sources.


never the less, no sense to argue on the "why it started" so much as to focus on the "how it can be stopped from happening again"

have fun working that goal out

I think we got you wrong. It was you that pucked a fight with rob before you went to TL and got massed despite you jumping to TL.

[caesar2]

Sorry JT and guild... Rob was massing not only Tziki... he massed anyone who did few hits within agreed terms of DRA, agreed by both sides. And always Rob wrote he dont care about agreements and that DDE mass farmers... if farmer repays what was taken, he repays what was massed...

well... but yeah rob or someone else... seems it was always him with same excuses

But whatever... nobody cares about how it is...

WAR!

PS: and no pacts or NAPs with DDE in future... not after this one not a clean war, not a honor... dirty bad war, like in old times of GW

[~Tziki~]

C2,

I can show you over 10 chats between DDE leadership and TL leaders about the DRA. I told them on many occasions that your members viewed a DRA differently then we do. Your leadership originally proposed the DRA to avoid wars.
We agreed it was NOT to be abused and they were gonna talk to your members.

You (TL) are guilty of: Turn farming my members on ascended when they are farming. And we have for WEEKS sent the members PM's without ANY response at all. You have hit on main under the ratio - and not to mention two of your members ABUSED the DRA during our war. After which we showed you the courtesy of showing TL the upmost respect during your war as per requested.

Rob did not 'beak' any agreement - he followed DDE protocol and defended his alliance.

So do the same as I told you with the comment in the opening post, and shove that DRA where the sun don't shine.

-KJ

Not to play devils advocate or anything (think i got the saying right)
But it was rob who breached the DRA and massed me when i was in TL a while ago. Granted im not in TL anymore and thats rather irrelevant now, but in the same sense its relevant to your post because in that regard the DRA has been pointless for quite some time, since it really isnt so much a DRA as one way NAP in disguise. IT didnt and hasnt stopped massings from DDE, and isnt the idea to repay non ratio hits?

dont get me wrong im not pretending to have any idea whats gone on, just trying to put some logic into the debate, although my info is based on outdated sources.


never the less, no sense to argue on the "why it started" so much as to focus on the "how it can be stopped from happening again"

have fun working that goal out

I think we got you wrong. It was you that pucked a fight with rob before you went to TL and got massed despite you jumping to TL.

wrong again.

it was based on farming, and it was farming within the DRA agreed by both sides which is why it occured in the first place. Agreeing to a DRA is in its very essence excusing that alliance from your 1 hit mass policy. So the moral of the story is really dont agree to things then complain when that agreement is exercised. your 1 hit mass policy is selective at best, its not consistant and hasnt been for years which is half your problem too. if i recall the terms of TL DRA with DDE and if it hasnt changed much, the idea was to repay any breaches as per most DRA's organised these days. so a pm to a HC member would most likely get any naq back that is owed. Which makes this less about farming and DRA's and more about being unable to hold to an agreement as per usual. Now that might be because robert has little regard for such agreements, or because the alliances a whole does, but ultimately the underlying issue as i see from an objective point of view...

Is that making an agreement means you should expect your counter parts to act within the rights of that agreement. The whole point of such a thing is to stop things escalating to full out alliance wars, so by ignoring the normal corrections to breaches and going for a mass, in effect your nullifying the entire relevance of that initial DRA, and by support those actions your confirming your intent not to uphold it in the first place.

Soooo

when the 2 hcs next meet, perhaps that would be an interesting topic to start with. what solution can be made that will be honored, or is there one. If not then just accept your going to be attacking each other constantly until you gain a mutual understanding its not worth it?

just food for thought is all, as ive said im on the outside but i do enjoy a good mental challenge.


Edit: think c2 just answered all my questions -.-

[EbilCC]

tz 1 would think you wouldn't get involved in debate with dde following recent troubles but go ahead poke the beast its hungry n may poke u back............... again

[Brdavs]

LoL I should have known something is gonna blow up when I built my def, it always happens, me and a def just aren't compatible.

I want a word with whoever invented DRAs, not a single one didn't end up costing more than it enabled in "legit hits".


Anyhoo I like the DDE/DoC personnel shakeup. I assume that after an eon in DoC *robert was parked in dor for a cassus belli when he inevitably gets love tapped lol? Or is that just one more system we all came up with being *gasp* abused/cheesed?

Anyhoo tis cool, the love directed our way from DDE during the OE war was really unnatural, this feels much better hehe.

[~Tziki~]

tz 1 would think you wouldn't get involved in debate with dde following recent troubles but go ahead poke the beast its hungry n may poke u back............... again

ive had no recent troubles so to which you speak i have no idea. and if dde is so insecure as to make threats as a result of constructive feedback then it really does make a statement doesnt it. Ive not insulted you, so dont be so keen to make threats.

[Richard B Riddick]

[~Tziki~]

*Bows*

Only because i like you.


anywhoo back to your shin dig, ive said all i care to. look forward to some stats.

[jedi~tank]

C2,

I can show you over 10 chats between DDE leadership and TL leaders about the DRA. I told them on many occasions that your members viewed a DRA differently then we do. Your leadership originally proposed the DRA to avoid wars.
We agreed it was NOT to be abused and they were gonna talk to your members.

You (TL) are guilty of: Turn farming my members on ascended when they are farming. And we have for WEEKS sent the members PM's without ANY response at all. You have hit on main under the ratio - and not to mention two of your members ABUSED the DRA during our war. After which we showed you the courtesy of showing TL the upmost respect during your war as per requested.

Rob did not 'beak' any agreement - he followed DDE protocol and defended his alliance.

So do the same as I told you with the comment in the opening post, and shove that DRA where the sun don't shine.

-KJ

Not to play devils advocate or anything (think i got the saying right)
But it was rob who breached the DRA and massed me when i was in TL a while ago. Granted im not in TL anymore and thats rather irrelevant now, but in the same sense its relevant to your post because in that regard the DRA has been pointless for quite some time, since it really isnt so much a DRA as one way NAP in disguise. IT didnt and hasnt stopped massings from DDE, and isnt the idea to repay non ratio hits?

dont get me wrong im not pretending to have any idea whats gone on, just trying to put some logic into the debate, although my info is based on outdated sources.


never the less, no sense to argue on the "why it started" so much as to focus on the "how it can be stopped from happening again"

have fun working that goal out

I think we got you wrong. It was you that pucked a fight with rob before you went to TL and got massed despite you jumping to TL.

wrong again.

it was based on farming, and it was farming within the DRA agreed by both sides which is why it occured in the first place. Agreeing to a DRA is in its very essence excusing that alliance from your 1 hit mass policy. So the moral of the story is really dont agree to things then complain when that agreement is exercised. your 1 hit mass policy is selective at best, its not consistant and hasnt been for years which is half your problem too. if i recall the terms of TL DRA with DDE and if it hasnt changed much, the idea was to repay any breaches as per most DRA's organised these days. so a pm to a HC member would most likely get any naq back that is owed. Which makes this less about farming and DRA's and more about being unable to hold to an agreement as per usual. Now that might be because robert has little regard for such agreements, or because the alliances a whole does, but ultimately the underlying issue as i see from an objective point of view...

Is that making an agreement means you should expect your counter parts to act within the rights of that agreement. The whole point of such a thing is to stop things escalating to full out alliance wars, so by ignoring the normal corrections to breaches and going for a mass, in effect your nullifying the entire relevance of that initial DRA, and by support those actions your confirming your intent not to uphold it in the first place.

Soooo

when the 2 hcs next meet, perhaps that would be an interesting topic to start with. what solution can be made that will be honored, or is there one. If not then just accept your going to be attacking each other constantly until you gain a mutual understanding its not worth it?

just food for thought is all, as ive said im on the outside but i do enjoy a good mental challenge.


Edit: think c2 just answered all my questions -.-

1/2 our problem? Seems to me you have allot to point out and allot to complain about..maybe the problems are all yours? You have everything else figured out and yet have know idea how to figure yourself out. sorry I am not a professor at what your problems might be so I cannot help you on this one

[papa~smurf]

completely off subject (or more to the point to change the subject )

happy holidays to all

longest day of the year...hug your Wicca LMAO