so what did I miss?

[Kjarkur]

Neim, you think you got this all figured out don't you ?

The game's owner lost interest (happens to the best of us) and someone in touch with this community stepped up. Since Support started helping out we've seen much needed updates happening and when people have account problems they are now solved within a day instead of it taking weeks like before.
Anyone with half a brain can find out who the owner of this game is - and it has been mentioned many times that somebody was needed to be a caretaker so to speak.

Thus she does make decisions regarding updates / programming. But so does SoL on ascended and he doesn't own ascended.
The fact that someone can make these updates (some of them had been on the drawing table for a long time btw) doesn't make them ,superior' - they can be allowed to go ahead with it but the owner could step in, if needed to be or if simply he felt like it.

Game is more alive, more old players have returned lately then we've seen in a year. Jason made the right decision.

Thank you Support, for helping the owner do something more with this community. Much needed I might add.

-KJ

[Neimenljivi]

Neim, you think you got this all figured out don't you ?

The game's owner lost interest (happens to the best of us) and someone in touch with this community stepped up. Since Support started helping out we've seen much needed updates happening and when people have account problems they are now solved within a day instead of it taking weeks like before.
Anyone with half a brain can find out who the owner of this game is - and it has been mentioned many times that somebody was needed to be a caretaker so to speak.

Thus she does make decisions regarding updates / programming. But so does SoL on ascended and he doesn't own ascended.
The fact that someone can make these updates (some of them had been on the drawing table for a long time btw) doesn't make them ,superior' - they can be allowed to go ahead with it but the owner could step in, if needed to be or if simply he felt like it.

Game is more alive, more old players have returned lately then we've seen in a year. Jason made the right decision.

Thank you Support, for helping the owner do something more with this community. Much needed I might add.

-KJ

Ok so, please explain one thing to me. If J is still the owner, his decision is final, right?
So, just giving this out as an example, if J said "Armory" button should be changed into "Weapons" button, while Juliette could argue, his decision would be the final one, right?

Then, for instance, if I got J to change my red title in a blue colour (not that it happened, not that I tried, but just giving it out as an example) and he agreed to do that, Juliette would first have to clear it up with him before removing it right, as it was his decision and he is the owner while Juliette serves as a support.

Am I on the right track thus far?

So if I asked Juliette now to give me the blue colour and she refused to do it, then I'd went on to ask J to give it and he'd do it, his word would be final. Right?
Except that based on her own words, since Oct., her decision is final and the final decision is not J's any more to make.

I am not saying that Juliette is superior to J because she could make updates, she said that in taking decisions (about anything apparently), she's the one with the final word. So either she lied and J > her, or she is telling the truth and J sold up.

I also never said that J's response time was his strength. She is far better in this regard, I won't deny it.

As far as updates go, yeah some are being made. Some support is being given to accounts. Then there's the fact, which most are unaware, that after Juliette got her admin pass, someone got their accounts details changed to mock them, something only someone with an admin pass could do, then there's someone who sent multiple PMs regarding an account problem, PMs were read straight away, no response was sent, nothing was done to help them.
Then there's the fact that Q was changed in a game where money suddenly buys you #1 finish with USS benefits (the only way to purchase resources - wait, uhm, I mean "support" the game only) giving ridiculous advantages AND the maximum number of USSs one is able to buy in an era time being upped from 8 to 10, 8 has been the limit since the 16th era that started in August way back in 2008, then there is the fact that Juliette was told of the bugs that severely hampered the game and enabled several people to exploit them and she did nothing to get rid of them, she also was told the era would be imbalanced right at the start and she did nothing to try and balance it.
Yep, it's really important that we get a red text notifying us of a new PM on main, much better to do that than fix bugs or to help build on the platform that was being built for 2 years, rather than destroy the platform. Right now I really wonder how long Q will survive. And the biggest irony? The one who bought 450$ worth of USSs and would definitely have won was massed due to the bug not being fixed despite Juliette being made aware of the bug. So on one hand you get a "buy #1" ticket, on the other hand there's a bug that isn't fixed that can destroy the huge advantage one gets via USSs.

So yeah, it does make me sick that red text to notify the new PM arrival (btw you don't have to use "_blank" everywhere, sometimes it gets in the way a lot) and updates like this one get added while real bugs aren't fixed, while admin powers are abused and while a game that's turned from going downhill due to all the hard work J did based on our feedback to get the game where money doesn't give you nowhere near the significant advantage it gives now, gets back the one thing it didn't need and the one thing that drove so many people away from it - and gets it back in an even bigger amount - while actual suggestions that would improve the game that are given based on years of experience aren't even replied to.

You can have your "new pm" text and all your fancy new CSS rules and a few text changes that are being done on a weekly basis, I myself prefer a longer wait period between changes and a priority list when it comes to updates. #1 of that list? Listening to feedback. #2? Fixing the darn bugs. #99999 making useless cosmetic changes.

And regarding these bugs, Juliette has acknowledged they were being abused and that people cheated, yet did nothing about it. But ok, 3ic can send alliance-wide messages, yipppy!

~N

[Loki™]

You being bitter about something does not somehow lessen Jason's ownership of this game.
I'm more happy with him having help that tries at least, even if she makes mistakes, than it being just him doing nothing.

[Clockwork]

Plenty of things are being / have been fixed, like the bloodwar awarding all the losing aliances bank to the winner. In fact, bloodwar alone has had many fixes since 'Support' was handed the reigns. Plenty of other stuff has been fixed as well.

You do have to remember though, familiarity with the code takes a little time to build. Launching in to some of the 'big fixes' right away would probably have been detrimental to the game.

Regardless though, things (imo) have improved within the game over the past few months.

[Neimenljivi]

You being bitter about something does not somehow lessen Jason's ownership of this game.

Lol you just don't want to listen, do you? She said she > Jason in regards to decision making. If Jason was still the owner his decision would be final and therefore Jason > her. I can't put it more plainly

The only other explanation is that J is still the owner, like you said, and in that case she lied and mislead people about her role. Something, imho, an official game staff member should not do.

Or please explain it to me how could her decision be more important than Jason's while Jason would still be the real owner of the game?
SoL is an ascended developer, yet he cannot make some changes that he would like to do in ascended server because Jason said no. So SoL may code ascended all day long, but ultimately it is up to Jason to make the final decision, whereas Juliette said that she > Jason in regards to decision making.

~N

[Kjarkur]

This isn't that complicated Neim.

She has the authority to make updates, tweaks etc. But if he wants to step in, he can. He is just happy with her work so far that it hasn't been needed.
Ergo, she is making the decisions - because he allows her to.

-KJ

[Master Rahl]

still waiting for my "i win" button.

but more or less the game isn't too different/just slightly larger numbers. cov 40 ac 39/40 is becoming common; top MSes are in the 30t + range.

[Loki™]

You being bitter about something does not somehow lessen Jason's ownership of this game.

Lol you just don't want to listen, do you? She said she > Jason in regards to decision making. If Jason was still the owner his decision would be final and therefore Jason > her. I can't put it more plainly

The only other explanation is that J is still the owner, like you said, and in that case she lied and mislead people about her role. Something, imho, an official game staff member should not do.

Or please explain it to me how could her decision be more important than Jason's while Jason would still be the real owner of the game?
SoL is an ascended developer, yet he cannot make some changes that he would like to do in ascended server because Jason said no. So SoL may code ascended all day long, but ultimately it is up to Jason to make the final decision, whereas Juliette said that she > Jason in regards to decision making.

~N

Maybe she meant that she makes the decisions because J won't? Such a huge liar! Should be burned at the stake!

Please just shut up.

[Richard B Riddick]

[Ritalin]

J still owns the game? Well then J > "Support", don't you think? Which is contrary to what I've been told by Support.

Ive been reading this wonder why every even cares who support is and who owns the game...blah blah blah

so i thought id use our trusty friend Google and here is what i found.

Hostname: gatewars.com
IP Address: 66.147.239.243
Host of this IP: dedicated.jasonwitzel.com

Creation Date
10/12/2005
Updated Date
09/25/2013
Expiration Date
10/12/2014

so it seems jason witzel does still own the game (Whether he be silent or not) and jo/juliette is Support... and that she does rather well!

TBH i really have no clue why people feel its thier business... this is a game... just play!

[Kjarkur]

TBH i really have no clue why people feel its thier business... this is a game... just play!

Indeed and none of us are forced to be here. Aside from Guerrero whom I have locked up.

-KJ

[Neimenljivi]

@Kj - well that would still mean that J > her, wouldn't it? All **Filtered** aside, that's what it would mean. She could make decisions without him, but he is the one with the final decision and he is 'above' her.

@Loki, I understand your brain must hurt because it's difficult to understand this, but no. It was regarding something J already had taken a decision about and Juliette was unaware of it as it wasn't entered in the logs. I said to her that as far as I know (despite her being a game dev now) J > her. She said no, since Oct. last year J < her.
If J is still the owner, like all of you acknowledged, J > her. Juliette > J only if she is a new owner or if she lied, wouldn't be the first time anyway. As for the gravity and implications of these lies - hey if they are so innocent go around and tell everyone at work that you have the final say in everything since the past couple of months and that any deals made with your boss are null and void. And if you work with customers, go tell them this as well. I'm sure the boss will think that what you've been saying is completely normal, once he learns it.

*Ritalin, the updated date is before Oct. and if I were, to say, buy a website off someone I know (whether it's a game or anything else is irrelevant) with the domain still active for over a year and with a database as big as this one, I wouldn't want them to cancel their domain and move the website so I could be named as the IP's host before the domain expired. I'd wait till it expired and that way minimize my costs. As long as you have the FTP access, a backup on your system and a relatively safe hosting party it doesn't matter much, does it? I am, of course, not talking about company-wide stuff. That's a totally different thing to go about. But as a hobby that helps you make something on the side where you deal with hundreds of people.. Well I wouldn't risk another outage due to moving the site before it had to be moved, especially not when I'd be having more expenses and especially not when a lengthy outage happened not that far ago.

~N

[Master Rahl]

but what if I am greater than Jo? And Jo is greater than j. could we be mrjoj?

[ƒëmmë]

WB Geisha,

nice too see you and your family are expanding and doing well..

one main change would be importance of ascended now, many changes made there in the past couple of years. Also as mentioned the introduction of "Legit" multis in the form of New Ground.. which was orginally for new players to learn the basics in before they changed over to main.. but now all players seem to have a main and a NG account.

enjoy your time back,

[ƒëmmë]

J still owns the game? Well then J > "Support", don't you think? Which is contrary to what I've been told by Support.

Ive been reading this wonder why every even cares who support is and who owns the game...blah blah blah

so i thought id use our trusty friend Google and here is what i found.

Hostname: gatewars.com
IP Address: 66.147.239.243
Host of this IP: dedicated.jasonwitzel.com

Creation Date
10/12/2005
Updated Date
09/25/2013
Expiration Date
10/12/2014

so it seems jason witzel does still own the game (Whether he be silent or not) and jo/juliette is Support... and that she does rather well!

TBH i really have no clue why people feel its thier business... this is a game... just play!

was going to bite my tongue, as I thought this thread had been hijacked enough..
but if you knew Juliettes very checked past in this game, you might understand why some are very concerned. Personally I wouldn't want someone known to be a SCAMMER/Multi not only in this game to be in charge of my logins/passwords have access to my account.

Neim~ all due respect I think you should make a separate thread about this

but what if I am greater than Jo? And Jo is greater than j. could we be mrjoj?

What if Jo aint Jo at all??