Tenkari wrote:Lol, if you dont want to ascend, why not go to one of the other servers? They don't have ascention. G&R was implimented for getting to the ascention server and i think that should be there only purpose.
no i dont want to play the other servers, i want to play main for 1 simple reason, i dont want my account reset!
and i wouldnt mind some more functionality to my account, that is was all this is about adding a few extra features.
whats the big deal???
PS. like Bahamut and others have allready said, it will incourage those who dont want to ascend to play for rank forcing said people to attack far more
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Okay, I don't feel like going through 12 pages of arguing, so can you sum up the basic premiss?
Here's what I get from it:
There will be new race specific techs which cost G+R points, instead of naq, yet function in basically the same way. These techs don't necessarily have to be stat bonuses, but could be be other things such as:
For reps:
+5% bonus to sabatauge missions
and/or
+5% bonus to covert defense
For Tauri:
+5% bonus to mothership attack
In other words, little things to reflect the fact that, as your empire expands, and you get quite powerful, then you'd have the opportunity to reverse engineer some tech, or incorporate a bit of ancient tech, etc.
If the above is the basic idea, then I think that both systems could use G+R points, and would not have to be mutually exclusive. G+R points are supposed to reflect the idea that, as you get more and more powerful, you'll be able to find out more about ascending, as well as becoming stronger willed, etc. So...they work on similar concepts.
If we make it so that the techs don't contribute power points, then if it is your plan to ascend, you probably should stay away from the techs. However, you should be able to dabble in both, in order to make it fair to everyone.
What I mean is, if you buy the techs, you should be able to ascend, and if you ascend, you should be able to buy the techs after you get back (although all that you bought up to that point would be gone). The ascended races could use the same techs as their unascended counterparts.
Finally, if you change race, you should lose all your specific techs.
EDIT: My concerns:
The originaly idea of ascention was to stall the powerful players in order to allow the weak players to catch up. If there are no resets on main, then there would have to be some way to control the power of the top players, in order for the new players to stick around.
This idea completely flies in the face of that, by allowing the powerful to get more powerful.
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no FOrum thought it would of slowed big players but all i see is a trend of PPT back to the top and get enough power to ascned again one ur on ur 6th ascension they stop and they become all powerful again.
which like u said is giving powerful players more power and furthor more widening the gap between small and very large players
Bahamut wrote:ascension bonus after 5 ascensions is +100% and it would be +50% to customized accounts
How do you figure? Unless we are speking in different % terms, I only got a total of 30%+ power for 6 ascensions...but please (Ascended Beings) correct me if I am wrong
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Bahamut wrote:ascension bonus after 5 ascensions is +100% and it would be +50% to customized accounts
How do you figure? Unless we are speking in different % terms, I only got a total of 30%+ power for 6 ascensions...but please (Ascended Beings) correct me if I am wrong
well your speaking of calculated totals..but in reality, it is 30%...5% per ascension up to 6 times, and 1% for every Ascension after that. Plus I believe the individual %'s to the actions are based on what race you choose..e.g.: Indu are covert friendly, while tollah are defense friendly.
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[™§£KHM£†] wrote:well your speaking of calculated totals..but in reality, it is 30%...5% per ascension up to 6 times, and 1% for every Ascension after that. Plus I believe the individual %'s to the actions are based on what race you choose..e.g.: Indu are covert friendly, while tollah are defense friendly.
yes about calculated totals so u have +120% to your account
Paul-ish wrote:Just a question, what if you become living god and keep getting G&R, then you can become pretty much invincible from upgrading more right?
if u had read all the 12 pages....but i assume u didnt but i cut u the slack and tilll
no
the glory points will act like a fork in the road....u pick ascnesion u canT go technology and vise evrsa.
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see thats another thing whats the logical rationall for the acended beings being unable to take on the same advancements as the unacended guys with G&R????
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thunder wrote:see thats another thing whats the logical rationall for the acended beings being unable to take on the same advancements as the unacended guys with G&R????
because they are ascended and they have afetr 6 ascension calculated total +120%!!!!
thunder wrote:see thats another thing whats the logical rationall for the acended beings being unable to take on the same advancements as the unacended guys with G&R????
because they are ascended and they have afetr 6 ascension calculated total +120%!!!!
but that doesn't explain why the acended beings would be unable to take on the same advancements as the unacended guys with G&R. wheres the logic in that?
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thunder wrote:but that doesn't explain why the acended beings would be unable to take on the same advancements as the unacended guys with G&R. wheres the logic in that?
i don't understand what more advancment u want
isn't +30% on all enough
+30% on attack
+30% on defence
+30% on covert
+30% on income
well if you want the % bounus then you can acend, but no body has brought forth a reason that the unacended would somehow know something that the acended dont
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