Ragnarök : DDE & Allies vs Terran Family

[Fallen Gabriel]

Hope everyone had a fun weekend! I enjoyed a lovely weekend with no internet or cell signal. I'm so proud of you all for burning through a billion lifers on my ac units I'll be sure to get you another batch soon!

Also, just about everything massed but my bed beckons. I miss the woods.

If for the sake of argument I put 400Mill+AC on display..who will lifer them.....Yeap,You,vinci----errrr You,vinci,......you,vinci.....you,vinci.....copy paste,copy paste.....got 3 of your accounts,and 5 of vincis....still digging..

[Mathlord]

Hope everyone had a fun weekend! I enjoyed a lovely weekend with no internet or cell signal. I'm so proud of you all for burning through a billion lifers on my ac units I'll be sure to get you another batch soon!

Also, just about everything massed but my bed beckons. I miss the woods.

If for the sake of argument I put 400Mill+AC on display..who will lifer them.....Yeap,You,vinci----errrr You,vinci,......you,vinci.....you,vinci.....copy paste,copy paste.....got 3 of your accounts,and 5 of vincis....still digging..

Sigh, since when did you become convinced we are all multies? Or is this again more smoke screen to protect Reborn's accounts?

I generally save what lifers I get for online fights if they are needed...

[~Tziki~]

Sigh, since when did you become convinced we are all multies? Or is this again more smoke screen to protect Reborn's accounts?

Do you not see the irony and hypocrisy of your statement? You are attempting to shrug off accusations of using multiple accounts, by implying reborn uses multiple accounts but accusese you of doing so as a smokescreen, and in doing so you just effectively attempted to make a smokescreen of your own by redirecting the attention back to him and his so called smokescreen instead of just denying it and moving on.

So who is really the smokescreen, and who is really the guilty party

[Mathlord]

Sigh, since when did you become convinced we are all multies? Or is this again more smoke screen to protect Reborn's accounts?

Do you not see the irony and hypocrisy of your statement? You are attempting to shrug off accusations of using multiple accounts, by implying reborn uses multiple accounts but accusese you of doing so as a smokescreen, and in doing so you just effectively attempted to make a smokescreen of your own by redirecting the attention back to him and his so called smokescreen instead of just denying it and moving on.

So who is really the smokescreen, and who is really the guilty party

That's the thing Tziki. This war has become a sham because we both keep throwing accusations back and forth at each other that any outside observer (or admin) will always just roll their eyes at any of them. It's a real shame because there is blatant cheating going on in this war and has been for some time but I suppose nothing will ever be done about it because why should our accusations (and evidence) hold any more weight than the 5,000 times Robert has found "proof" that I script?

All I can ever do is ask Juliette to look into logs and see what people do and ask whether that is humanly possible. Same as what DDE can do to us. It then is up to the admins to figure it out if they are so inclined. In the end, the saddest fact of all is that we have played clean this entire war as we always do while our enemy has resorted to every trick they accused us of doing just to survive.

I will always wonder if DDE truly believes we are the cheaters they accuse us of being or if it's just a way to make them feel better for the decisions they make or cover up their own activities by keeping the finger of justice pointed at someone else.

So yes, I see the irony in my statement, but there is no hypocrisy when we are innocent and they most definitely are not.

[~Tziki~]

The hypocrisy was more the use of redirecting the smokescreen, whilst accusing someone of using a smokescreen. Wether it be a real smokescreen, or just the effect it causes by reflecting it, you still did exaclty what you accused reborn of doing

I think both sides have to agree they cannot truly know what the other has done, unless they are watching over their shoulder.

The problem is, there are still a lot of scriptors around and incidents that may occur coincidentally or conveniently are inclined to leave the question, "was that a legit hit, or a script".

but from there, conversation held and other actions go a long way to convincing people aswell. So someone that was truly innocent and not used any cheat, would likely leave no trail of breadcrumbs in the first place.

Which probably causes a lot of confusion and sceptacism.



I couldnt say either way, but from my experience to this day. There does appear to be a lot of convenient timings from certain players that would require them to be staring directly at me and refresh the page that exact 0.5 seconds + hit me between actions. Which does look rather suspicious if there has been no prior reason to be looking at someone, or to expect something form them.

Though im not at a stage to be throwing accusations around, it is something im keeping an eye on.

[Mathlord]

To some extent, when the list of active enemy accounts worth watching is pretty low, it's understandable people get hit. When I'm around, I tend to be watching a few enemy accounts at a time who would be problematic when building up. In my case, this means I have a tab open to their alliance page and I refresh every so often...sometimes very often. You should see my outgoing intel logs sometimes. There are days when Robert is aroundish when I've spied him a couple hundred times over the course of an hour or two waiting for him to do something (and because reconning doesn't cost covert cap anymore thank you Jason).

I have always been reluctant to call someone a cheater, but when they post on the forum that because I'm "cheating" they'll do the same and then their account can magically repair defense, retrain def supers and spies while being war/war massed at 10-20 attacks per second, I think the evidence is pretty solid against them. At the very least they are using a refreshing add-on that allows you to control multiple tabs simultaneously with the push of one button, something D3ath has admitted to previously as well. Then we can debate to the cows come home over what is legal and what isn't. Hell, we still don't have a ruling on whether it's okay for Reborn and Crazymofo to be sharing an ng multi. Or for that matter, haven't heard heads or tails about Ritalin who had an enormous amount of evidence for him cheating (from the same empire who then welcomed him with open arms not much later I might add).

[reborn]

For the hard of reading i didnt call anyone a multi but nice for you to think i have tons.of accounts math, one day one of these accounts will give me naq or dmu, I really can't wait for that time.

My account vs a player that can mass with war war only leads to one thing both of us losing a defence.

I will say one thing that does.stick out alot these ppl you claim can instant repair with war war and replace defence faster than is humanly possible, they just forgot these skills for attack? Cus your yet to lose in an online from me reading math vs these insane scripts were you even said there repairing faster than a human could leads to your scripting to beat there script, as u said there repairs can't be human and god knows if they can do it on defence they sure as he'll can with strike.

If your still holding out that me and.my partner was breaking rules gl on that, I'm sure jo would said something other day to me when we spoke.

[~Tziki~]

interesting read ill give you that.

Again, all i can say is some things seem a little too convenient to be real.
an example, the other day i hadnt done anything for hours, hadnt been hit, hadnt farmed.
i withdrew naq to build something, i dont recall what it was now, but i had 2 tabs open. 1 for bank, 1 for... lets say armory and buying weapons.
I had the numbers entered, so all i had to do was hit withdraw, move to next tab, hit purchase. (not sure if it was weapons or MS)

In that space, which literally had to be less than 1 second (since i already have my fingers on ctrl + tab buttons to instantly swap tabs), i was farmed twice by Da Vinci. Now im not making accusations. But Its pretty damn hard to predict that i'd logged in, been watching me/TO and refreshed the page to see i had naq out, then reacted and hit me.. twice. (lets assume your using google chrome and held down CTRL to open each hit in a new tab, or im told you can hold the escape key to stop the page loading)

All before i could change from 1 tab to another... we're talking like less than a second.
Now i know internet is fast these days and page refreshing times are lower, but refreshing a page could quite easily take between half a second to 5 seconds (the latter obviously being a bit slow). So lets pretend the page was conveniently refreshed at the exact perfect time, just before i withdrew the naq.
Thats some inhumanly fast cognitive processing speed. Seeing a change in the page (if alliance page) or on the line where naq is displayed, acknowledging it, clicking the attack button.. twice. All within the space of time it took me to click the mouse button. My element of surprise vs even the keenest of people would suggest that id have the advantage, and yet i was still hit.

luckily for me, i withdraw more than i needed because i was too lazy to work out the exact amount, and the 2x 500b hits i recieved didnt cause me to fail purchasing what i was purchasing.
But damn, thats some unlucky timing on my behalf.


I hope you dont disregard this as some kind of ploy, im genuinly trying to show how some may come to certain conclusions, which may be incorrect i admit, but do appear unlikely. Perhaps its a case similar to when patients read to much infomation about their symptoms and go the the doctor convinced of something before being told the truth. And ive read/heard to much about potential abuses that its influenced me to be overly aware/keen to find the proof. But by all means, if you have a better suggestion im genuinly happy to hear it.

call me devils advocate at this point, im admittedly playing both sides here as i have a feeling i know what reborn would reply to this hah but i have to make my own conclusions.

[~Dä Vinci~]

lol yes i have a hack to predict when people log in, ofc coincidence and me playing to much wont factor into this.

[D3ath]

To some extent, when the list of active enemy accounts worth watching is pretty low, it's understandable people get hit. When I'm around, I tend to be watching a few enemy accounts at a time who would be problematic when building up. In my case, this means I have a tab open to their alliance page and I refresh every so often...sometimes very often. You should see my outgoing intel logs sometimes. There are days when Robert is aroundish when I've spied him a couple hundred times over the course of an hour or two waiting for him to do something (and because reconning doesn't cost covert cap anymore thank you Jason).

I have always been reluctant to call someone a cheater, but when they post on the forum that because I'm "cheating" they'll do the same and then their account can magically repair defense, retrain def supers and spies while being war/war massed at 10-20 attacks per second, I think the evidence is pretty solid against them. At the very least they are using a refreshing add-on that allows you to control multiple tabs simultaneously with the push of one button, something D3ath has admitted to previously as well. Then we can debate to the cows come home over what is legal and what isn't. Hell, we still don't have a ruling on whether it's okay for Reborn and Crazymofo to be sharing an ng multi. Or for that matter, haven't heard heads or tails about Ritalin who had an enormous amount of evidence for him cheating (from the same empire who then welcomed him with open arms not much later I might add).

lol thats hilarious like kev said hypocricy at its finest i already knew you are brick but i dont get it, dont you want 1q naq? i know you buy a **Filtered** of naq with $ with all the upgrades you doing, but that would have been free, i said ill give you 1q if you will show me and the rest where did i admit to using something to control multiple tabs simultaneously with the push of one button. But then you just went silent cause there were never such thing said and you basically cant read and comprehend, and now you come again with your delusional bs again. I dont know about the others, but I was always "magically" repairing my def, and retraining is basically just one more extra tab. Also i never said ill be cheating cause you are doing it, cause i still have some faith in admin and that he can do something about it, but maybe i am just being naive and shouldn't expect that as you are one of the biggest spenders in this game, so it would be kinda counter productive for them to cut the branch on which they are sitting. Thats also probably why they dont change the reckoning to actually using ct turns, or do any other updates as it could upset some group of players, even though this game needs lots of changes and updates.

All in all I do agree that it would have been much better if admin would have responded to all the topics and would be much more active.

p.s. kev you should change to keyboard over the mouse its quicker, and even with it i had similar situation with davinci, but as it was just a recent return of him i thought he just got lucky, and classed as my fail, but with time he got lots and lots those "lucky moments" with other players as well, that if he would really be that lucky he should have played and won the 1.5b jackpot for sure.

[Mathlord]

For the hard of reading i didnt call anyone a multi but nice for you to think i have tons.of accounts math, one day one of these accounts will give me naq or dmu, I really can't wait for that time.

My account vs a player that can mass with war war only leads to one thing both of us losing a defence.

I will say one thing that does.stick out alot these ppl you claim can instant repair with war war and replace defence faster than is humanly possible, they just forgot these skills for attack? Cus your yet to lose in an online from me reading math vs these insane scripts were you even said there repairing faster than a human could leads to your scripting to beat there script, as u said there repairs can't be human and god knows if they can do it on defence they sure as he'll can with strike.

If your still holding out that me and.my partner was breaking rules gl on that, I'm sure jo would said something other day to me when we spoke.

I have yet to have trouble massing you online, though we all know C4C was something you brought to the game on ascended. That comment above was targeted at Robert and D3ath. Robert is the most blatant though as following every attack you can see exact amounts of uu be untrained and retrained to replace losses. I've designed whole ways of fighting him around the fact that his actions are automated. Hell, you can 0 his defense and he will keep refilling defense supers and spies sometimes for 5-10 minutes afterwards. I mean...free kills, but there's no reason for him to do that if he was actually playing for himself. He would always take out repair naq to repair already lost defenses which was comical and how I could steal 10-20 tril from him while massing him.

Basically, when a script works well for DDE, it's really near impossible to zero their defenses (case in point, massing D3ath online). When it doesn't work as well (maybe internet speeds, who knows), the script makes the account play so much dumber than if the account was being run by the actual player.

It's also insanely convenient how, right when DDE was falling apart and debating surrendering in this war, a handful of their best accounts all of a sudden became a whole lot harder to mass. When you've been fighting the same people for half a decade, it's pretty easy to notice when something changes.

[reborn]

I guess we shall forget the two times last month you was being massed then math with war war and raiding on your multi account at same time and saying it was possible for you to do it cause you just that great.

Also there was.no talk about any of us surrendering, just like I ask for OE talks to be opened and end war were we parted.ways I thought it might be good for us to offer you lot, you lot seem to think that was weakness and we were giving up, that's far what was happening, if that's what your telling your lot to keep them going.

As for online with me it's rather funny how I can drop mid turn of ppt on a few occasions your there in seconds I mass you again in seconds your instant repaired then massing back then a,c trained, as you would put it Math humanly impossible, but we all know about Taf and log watching scripts for code having to be changed on more than one occasion.

[Mathlord]

Poor Reborn. Only thing worse than his luck is his massing ability. Maybe if he had another 20 multies farming for him, he'd have enough naq to put up a decent fight in main. One could hope...

By the way, all DDE defenses are once again massed. Thank you for your minimal war participation.

[Comulous]

was a change to log in and find my defence gone... i guess there is no one else massing while you were away

and reborn is correct, talks about ending the war did not include DDE surrendering. so i wouldnt read anything into that. as you will be able to see that TAF defences are gone every day by multiple players, and we have continued this way through the entire war

[T R U X]

By the way, all DDE defenses are once again massed. Thank you for your minimal war participation.

ok so i know i have been a little annoying to you math and you have recently been reporting my posts to mods etc so i will try to keep this civil and none abusive.

from what i can see since i have been here is your war effort is great.. you have kept up the massing consistently and i do applaud you for that.. but it seems that you either have some type of delusional view on your empires part in this war or you have a extreme Confabulation problem

Confabulation meaning in case you see this problem too or you just want to see if your symptoms match..
[spoiler]Confabulation is distinguished from lying as there is no intent to deceive and the person is unaware the information is false. Although individuals can present blatantly false information, confabulation can also seem to be coherent, internally consistent, and relatively normal.

Most known cases of confabulation are symptomatic of brain damage or dementias, such as aneurysm, Alzheimer's disease, or Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome (a common manifestation of thiamine deficiency caused by alcoholism). Additionally confabulation often occurs in people who are suffering from Anticholinergic toxidrome when interrogated about bizarre or irrational behavior.[/spoiler]

There are at least 8-10 active fighters in DDE for this war..

There are 2 semi active fighters in this war from TAF side in the war against DDE.

Your empire has blatantly shown its cowardice in the last couple of weeks because now that you have entered into a war with TO all of a sudden your possum playing friends have come to life to fight them.. what does this tell you? The don't want to or don't have the ability to fight us. Otherwise explain to me how they have sat inactive for so long and now all came to life at same time? my answer to this is they were never inactive.. just playing dead considering they are all still making HC decision etc.. THEY DON'T WANT TO FIGHT US

so if that is the case.. you are dragging your empire through a war they do not want to fight and you are even losing HC members due to internal arguments that i can only presume has something to do with your poor decision making.

There isnt any

minimal war participation.

from DDE.. we are here every day.. you are here 2 days per week and then the rest of the week TAF is sleeping with the occasional turn up from Les Enemis (once every 3 weeks or so)

Face it Mathlord.. Without you , your empire is as good as the other alliances that consist of nothing but farms. when you are not here there is no war.. just farming and raiding

I think its time to face facts

The legion alliances dont want to fight us other than the occasional mass from Ganbazon and thats only when you poke him. This only shows he doesnt want to fight.

Norbe cleans up a little when you poke him also but other than that doesnt fight.

ASJ builds from time to time but i gave him a warset after cleaning his stats and i didnt take it away.. no response ! He is a nice guy btw but i really do think he is bored with this war

I have offered onliners to 3 of your members (i wont mention names) and all of them have refused and hidden.. except now 1 arrangement i now have re-made with one of them.. i will see how that goes

In summary.. all of your misleading posts about how your empire 'Control' this war are a complete fabrication

It dead.. face it.. your members do not want to fight

But i will say your effort is really good!