G&R points for not ascended accounts

[Bahamut]

well by the poll over 60% of ppl don't wont to ascend

so are they to be put on 2nd place so they can faster leave this game, or too think about some cool ideas for making this game more interesting

[darkness5723]

Why don't people want to ascend? too much hassle? not enough power? And how are they being put in 2nd place because of a choice they made. You don't need to be ascended to have power. You bahamut are an example of that. You are more powerful than a lot of ascended people.

[Bahamut]

Why don't people want to ascend? too much hassle? not enough power? And how are they being put in 2nd place because of a choice they made. You don't need to be ascended to have power. You bahamut are an example of that. You are more powerful than a lot of ascended people.

lol thank u

why ppl don't wont to ascend i don't know, i know why i don't wont to ascend, but more interesting is this wich hunt, that those that ascended are preforming against this proposal, the bigest problem is in miners when they where introduced to game, all was good before them, woth them naq production jumped so ascension become easier.

[darkness5723]

it actually didnt become easier. everything stayed the same, its just on a bigger scale. nothing about ascending is easy now. you have to either wait 3 weeks between ascensions or spend a massive amount of naq to get 4 days in between each.
people have opposition to this idea because at first it seemed like you were asking for bonuses rivaling that of ascendeds bonus for just G&R points, which are incredibly easy to get. this idea would work if a: the bonus is not close to the ascension bonus b: by doing this you forever give up the chance to ascend c: it costs alot.

[Bahamut]

it actually didnt become easier. everything stayed the same, its just on a bigger scale. nothing about ascending is easy now. you have to either wait 3 weeks between ascensions or spend a massive amount of naq to get 4 days in between each.
people have opposition to this idea because at first it seemed like you were asking for bonuses rivaling that of ascendeds bonus for just G&R points, which are incredibly easy to get. this idea would work if a: the bonus is not close to the ascension bonus b: by doing this you forever give up the chance to ascend c: it costs alot.

a) bonus should be half of ascended
b) if u read somewhere in this topic "at that point u get to decide customization or ascension" (that is why ascended accounts shouldn't be able to get those upgrades)
c) i allready have raw numbers for that i will present them when it will be allowe to compare with ascension

*note that when ascending most of them is selling all weapons and sending all uu to one of its mates so those transfer losses wont be calculated in that, as 20% when selling weapons wont be calculated in that.

[Psi Kiya Trist]

a) bonus should be half of ascended
b) if u read somewhere in this topic "at that point u get to decide customization or ascension" (that is why ascended accounts shouldn't be able to get those upgrades)
c) i allready have raw numbers for that i will present them when it will be allowe to compare with ascension

*note that when ascending most of them is selling all weapons and sending all uu to one of its mates so those transfer losses wont be calculated in that, as 20% when selling weapons wont be calculated in that.

A) no, not really. ascendeds are giving up far more than you would be. TIME in addition to resources. that is the non-factored issue, time.
three weeks with a UP of 20k to the UP required for the next ascension IS alot of resources for some people. for 20k UP it would be 420,000 UU. for the minimum to ascend a second time, which is where i'm at. i'd get a whooping 31,500 UU. that is another factor you ARE NOT considering.

B) logical idea, but how would you provide a reasoning for this after a bunch of people have already made this choice before your idea was even conceived?

C) most likely won't happen.


and Bahamut. if i didn't exist, this game wouldn't be the way it is.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[Bahamut]

A) no, not really. ascendeds are giving up far more than you would be. TIME in addition to resources. that is the non-factored issue, time.
three weeks with a UP of 20k to the UP required for the next ascension IS alot of resources for some people. for 20k UP it would be 420,000 UU. for the minimum to ascend a second time, which is where i'm at. i'd get a whooping 31,500 UU. that is another factor you ARE NOT considering.

B) logical idea, but how would you provide a reasoning for this after a bunch of people have already made this choice before your idea was even conceived?

C) most likely won't happen.


and Bahamut. if i didn't exist, this game wouldn't be the way it is.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

a) most of them 99% of them never had up over 3k so most of them is going with min requirements as they are known to 99% of them that are going to ascend tnx to alliances forums

now u want to say u need 31500 dailly up to ascend 2nd time LMAO ROFL

can u come up with something more realistic? u had 20k up 3 months ago? lmao

b) that is answered somewhere in this topic (very simple)

and for that bolded text

and Psi Kiya Trist. if i didn't exist, this game wouldn't be the way it is.


U wasn't playing this game alone with 10 000 acounts
now buzz of and spam somwhere else

[Psi Kiya Trist]

a) most of them 99% of them never had up over 3k so most of them is going with min requirements as they are known to 99% of them that are going to ascend tnx to alliances forums

now u want to say u need 31500 dailly up to ascend 2nd time LMAO ROFL

can u come up with something more realistic? u had 20k up 3 months ago? lmao

you obviously can't think straight.

i said for 20k UP over 3 weeks gives you 420k units. and 1500 UP over that same 3 weeks is 31,500 units.

so, while the people who are re-ascending are working on their G&R points, you people who aren't ascending, are still building up at the same rate you were before, if not more.

and don't tell me to buzz off, i'm allowed my opinion, just as much as you're allowed yours.

-.-Psi Kiya Trist-.-

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

ok ok ok

Uping is not added its more like a exponintly thing

for example...

just becuase u gained 5k Up in ur first ascneion and 5k for the next...etc(or what ever u need for the next ascnesion) doesnt mean it gets added to 10k..etc. if u didnt ascned it doesnt work like that, the higher up u go the hella more expensive it gets.

the first 10k upgrades is easy to get i had that beforei went to 20k.

[Bahamut]

you obviously can't think straight.

i said for 20k UP over 3 weeks gives you 420k units. and 1500 UP over that same 3 weeks is 31,500 units.

so, while the people who are re-ascending are working on their G&R points, you people who aren't ascending, are still building up at the same rate you were before, if not more.

and don't tell me to buzz off, i'm allowed my opinion, just as much as you're allowed yours.

-.-Psi Kiya Trist-.-

and while we are building our status by not ascending what do they do by ascending?

those poor ascended ones buying all mercenaries(untrained) to raplace uu then send them to others etc combinations are infintie and after they get 6 ascensions they get +30% on all it means less trained units for same power.

so u will say that is disadvantage?

well current disadvantage is being goauld because bonus on income is only 20% (but that is for other topic)

so while those poor ascended ones gaine all disadvanteged bonuses we are like gathering fortune. i mean psi give something really good


it is hard to ascend only if u don't have any backup but mostly all that ascend has backup, the other thing is that only ascended ones are so against this idea even if it is only idea that will never be implemented.

since when it became such a problem to propose something?

u said if it wasn't for u this game wouldn't be what it is, well then i'm sorry u was here that long psi. maybe u should go and create PRIVATE GATE WARS only for choosen ones to play and leave world wide gate wars to not choosen ones.

p.s.
tnx for clarification on that up matter i din't understand quite well what u had on mind first time

[Psi Kiya Trist]

i think that we should stop dealing with who someone is, and their backround, and simply focus on the issue at hand.
otherwise i'll call in another mod to watch this thread over rule 2.

i was brainstorming on what i may start a thread about destroying someone by force-ascending them when they aren't prepared for ascension. and for now, that's all that should be said about that subject in this thread.


i think that honestly, we could get this idea to work. but not how you're proposing. you're not getting half bonuses, for not half the resources.

i'd say at most, you could double your default bonuses. perhaps 5% at a time, cost dependant on UP(instead of a simple static price that will be easy to get later) and if you're choosing this route, it should cost possibly 2500 G&R an upgrade since it is easier on your account, because you're not being dropped for it.

is that a fair comprimise?

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[darkness5723]

No way do they get double bonuses on initial stat bonuses. 50% income bonus?.. problem?.. lol. The bonuses should be spread out like someone posted way back earlier.

and for the last time bahamut, stop assuming it is easy or cheap to ascend. because it.. is.. not. I respect you a lot, but stop assuming and stereotyping.

[Bahamut]

i'd say at most, you could double your default bonuses. perhaps 5% at a time, cost dependant on UP(instead of a simple static price that will be easy to get later) and if you're choosing this route, it should cost possibly 2500 G&R an upgrade since it is easier on your account, because you're not being dropped for it.

is that a fair comprimise?

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

argh why don't u read whole topic?

it is allready writen that base race tach should be limited to top +10%

so asgards couldn't upgrade their base race tech to 50% or tauri to 50% on attack MAX SHOULD BE +10% on base race tech

and for the last time bahamut, stop assuming it is easy or cheap to ascend. because it.. is.. not. I respect you a lot, but stop assuming and stereotyping.

it is not assumption those are facts check on LC forum insanity we can debate about costs there or go on ak forum, and i will explain u why

[darkness5723]

bahamut. I know first hand how expensive and hard it is to ascend.. I'm doing it right now, you wanna compare figures? hit me on MSN.. mailto:darkness5723@hotmail.com

[Bahamut]

u can compare them on LC forum also