UU holding on private broker

[Wolf359]

Yes - but scamming only becomes easier if people trade with people that they do not know , or who have not got a good trade feedback thread. Which is why you must build relationships with people before you trade with them - or at least check out their trade feedback to see if it is good - even if it means starting a thread asking other people for feedback.

This is nothing knew - because if people employed this simple observation prior to the trade broker being introduced, then less scams would have occurred.

I keep saying this - scamming isn't cheating - and in 99% of cases people are scammed by people they do not know or who do not have a (good) trade feedback thread. The obvious exception to this is the recent episode with Esker - but what do you expect from a Goa'uld??

If it matters that much, then insist, if it is UU that you are trading, that they are the one that initiates the trade - that way you are the one that accepts/rejects the deal and your UU will only be in the open if and when you reject it! If they are unwilling to initiate the trade then that should make you suspicious straight away.

Final word - scams occur because people are not careful who they trade with - and if you choose to not be careful who you trade with, then you are taking the risk on yourself.

[Mujo]

i certainly dont offer my uu on broker lightly, i always check before i make the deal. and i always have other party send the offer, when its for example their uu for my at.
but problem with this is not with me, i can be responsible with my stuff - but with other people, they could start blaming me for uu eventually lost, when asking an unreasonable deal.
and also, i believe broker was introduced to prevent scamming, so people without feedback could trade and be trusted - and way it is, i can call it "esker paradise"

[Wolf359]

But you proved my point there for me - if they choose to send you a crappy deal without first consulting you - and you reject it - then it is their responsibility - not yours!

I do see the point of what you are saying - but I tyhink people should be amde to take responsibility of their accounts and not to have everything given/protected for them!

[Mujo]

again - good point.
but i just have a feeling i would have to listen to some moaning when rejecting a big uu deal(unreasonable, which wasnt negotiated before)

one way or another - id like to hear what others think about that - i must say you cut me kinda dry of arguments, i pretty much said all i had to say

[Visentinel]

Mujo really has a far better point than you Wolf coz if you send a large naq deal and the other guy rejects for example coz he wants to send the trade instead so he can bank the naq then you will end up with a huge ammount of naq in the open ripe for the farming.

Worse if its a UU based Deal, you wont just get farmed .. youll get totally Massed.

[Reeb]

Yeah, I agree... I'm pretty paranoid about doing UU trades over 15k because I don't want to come back to a destroyed defense if it was rejected.

As a raider myself I know what raiders do to accounts that get caught with too many UU in the open.

[Radium]

Trading has become a bigger part of this game then the wars. I also doubt Forum would want to lose a large portion of the people playing the game by cutting trading off. I know nobody is talking about stopping trading, I am just overstating the point.

There has been a considerable amount of time invested in creating the trading system we have now. That has made trading continue to grow. Trading fills the need for a variety of players. The raiders can raid and sell the UU to those who do not want to raid. Both parties are happy.

To say that you should not trade with someone you do not know, or does not have a good feedback thread is impractical. How do you get to know someone unless you trade with them? If you do trade with friends and alliance members, like I do, you seldom get them to go to the trouble of providing input on your feedback thread. Even if they do provide it is wise to trade with someone that only has alliance members providing feedback on his trading thread?

The problem with this suggestion is it would be to easily exploited. IMOP just give us the ability to cancel the trade from the end that started it. That way if you are worried about getting UU dumped on you and then you get raided you just cancel out.

[Wolf359]

Mujo really has a far better point than you Wolf coz if you send a large naq deal and the other guy rejects for example coz he wants to send the trade instead so he can bank the naq then you will end up with a huge ammount of naq in the open ripe for the farming.

Worse if its a UU based Deal, you wont just get farmed .. youll get totally Massed.

How can you say that??? I am saying that if soembody chooses to initiate a deal with you, without confirming you will accept it first - then it is their fault when you reject the deal and leave their UU in the open