Would Goa'uld pwn the Wraith?

[Nicholai Brocov]

ancient shields are superior to asgard sheilds

and so are their weapons

what is your point?

-Ailm

no proof of that


the asgard have had thousands of years to improve their weapons and sheilds

actually there is proof,

the asgard have said on more than one occasion that they have barely scratched the surface of ancient knowledge.

Actually, the wraith cannons fire just as rapidly as the goa'uld ones, and most goauld ships, as we have seen in camelot for example, do not fire rapidly, which is probably for a reason. And to second that, the wraith cannons on the hive ships are a hell of alot bigger and from what we have seen there are a hell of alot more.

And back to the drones thing, even though im on the wraith's side, what makes you think that they would be strong versus projectiles? Humans are organic, and 1 hit from a tiny little bullet and we die... just for example.

So you see, wraith aren't resistant, Goa'ulds just suck.

And sgc, not true, the goa'ulds relie on shields, the drones past through and easily penetrate the weak goa'uld armor, since wraith dont have shields, they have armored their ships to a point when normal weapons probably wouldnt do much damage.

yet another brilliant post demonstrating how

wraith > goa'uld

-Ailm

I wouldn't call it brilliant...

Speculation is all in percpective, I think the Wraith pwn. But more to the point I think the Goa'uld could pwn all the Wraith without breaking a sweat.

Here is what I mean.

We already know that the Wraith don't stand a chance vs. ground forces unless of course there were only a handful of kulls in which case they'd still get their asses whooped, but eventually win.

Ship battles are still in my mind one sided in favor of the Goa'uld. Ha'taks still to this point in the show play an important role in fleet skirmishes. They are easy to construct - faster and more menuverable dispite what you may believe the majority of Ha'taks are capable of achieving given the proper battle circumstances.

Yes Ha'taks use shields an regardless of how strong they are or are not.
Even a duadless class ship with %50 asgard shields didn't want to stair down a single Ha'tak with fully operational weapons.

So to make a comparison that the Ha'tak is vastly more obsolete then a hive ship is ludicris... Especially if you've seen how much crap the real daudless has been through with its last few encounters with the Wraith.

[-Ailm-]

it wasnt 50%

it was way less

like 10-20%

a Hive ship, shotts rapidly is absolutly MASSIVE it would take to long for a single ha'tak (and its arsenal, gliders alkesh) to take down a hive ships along with its cruisers and darts...it would be a challendge for two ha'tak to bring down a hive...

but 1 on 1 a Hive would win hands down.

-Ailm

[Inferno™]

A daedalus class ship could easily defeat a hattak, otherwise there wouldn't be a point in making them, right?

And I seirously doubt kull warriors are THAT good, you rate them so highly? They woudlnt stand a chance against a single dart, they would be killed by the laser just like any being would. lol. If they were THAT good, they would just strap jet packs on them and off they go.

Shields or no shields, a hive can go through a daedalus shields quite quickly, and in season 8 I believe, those shields which were fitted on prometheus, which infact were weaker than the daedalus, took hundreds of hits, did it take hundreds to get rid of the daedalus' shields in season 2 or 3? No lol, daedy got pwnd everytime.

Wraith Hive > Hat'tak

Reasons?

-Several times the size
-Much more overall fire power (if not rapid wise then more guns)
-Considerably tougher armor
-Ability to heal itself

And the goauld have...

-Shields
-Shown in just 1 episode, ignoring 5seasons of proof, rapid fire capabilities.

C'mon.... Hat'taks will just lose hands down.

EDIT: Just thoguht of something else. You say the goold could instantly hit the armor of the hive? Ask youreself this, the energy fired from a hattak is tiny in size to a hattak itsself, a hattak is tiny in comparison to a hive.

Do you realy think even 100 hits on the hive would damage it in the slightest? Probly wont do sod all lol. Maybe if all in the same place, yes, but goolds have **Filtered** aim, as seen in camelot.

[Osi]

A daedalus class ship could easily defeat a hattak, otherwise there wouldn't be a point in making them, right?

And I seirously doubt kull warriors are THAT good, you rate them so highly? They woudlnt stand a chance against a single dart, they would be killed by the laser just like any being would. lol. If they were THAT good, they would just strap jet packs on them and off they go.

Shields or no shields, a hive can go through a daedalus shields quite quickly, and in season 8 I believe, those shields which were fitted on prometheus, which infact were weaker than the daedalus, took hundreds of hits, did it take hundreds to get rid of the daedalus' shields in season 2 or 3? No lol, daedy got pwnd everytime.

Wraith Hive > Hat'tak

Reasons?

-Several times the size
-Much more overall fire power (if not rapid wise then more guns)
-Considerably tougher armor
-Ability to heal itself

And the goauld have...

-Shields
-Shown in just 1 episode, ignoring 5seasons of proof, rapid fire capabilities.

C'mon.... Hat'taks will just lose hands down.

EDIT: Just thoguht of something else. You say the goold could instantly hit the armor of the hive? Ask youreself this, the energy fired from a hattak is tiny in size to a hattak itsself, a hattak is tiny in comparison to a hive.

Do you realy think even 100 hits on the hive would damage it in the slightest? Probly wont do sod all lol. Maybe if all in the same place, yes, but goolds have **Filtered** aim, as seen in camelot.

Hives arn't that well built and the healing process takes weeks if the damage is bad enough maybe even months...also wraith darts don't have good weapons and arn't shielded so there they go...um kull warriors can't be killed by energy blasts it would have to be direct capital ship fire...oh yeah the prometheus shield power in lost city was a mistake which was quickly downplayed in other eps...and The deadalus has only ever taken on multiple hives its never gone into a fight one on one so its shields would drain much faster

[-Ailm-]

gliders dont have shields either

-Ailm

[Osi]

alkesh do and they may not move as fast but darts come in swarms so all thye need to do is swat

[Inferno™]

Alkesh DO NOT HAVE SHIELDS, i refer you to the episode, when tealc dshot down a alkesh with a deathglider. And, for one, we aint debating darts v gliders, or alkesh, we are debating hattak v hive.

I have noticed something though, it seems the goold supporters can only come up with excuses, IE kull warriors, gliders beat darts, daddy was outnumbered, the episode that proves goold weps are crap v prommie is apparantly a "mistake". Lmao that just makes me laugh.

Wheres, I have stated true known facts about the hive and hattak.

Whether you agree or not, I can clearly see im right, and hive's would defeat a hattak 1 on 1. Anyone who disagrees is just to blind to see the truth

[Osi]

um your blind I ment the ep where the prommie took like 50 hits from the Anubis flagship, the shields were far to powerful adn they got weaker as the show progressed.

now Alkesh do have shields if you saw they ep it was shot down by the death glider once it had already been damaged by hatak fire...and if you see the EP Stronghold with Tealc and Baal, bratac's alkesh has shields.

Goa'uld weapons progressivly got stronger againt the prometheus as all weapons did they were almost knocked out by a few alkesh once I mean please Hatak weapons almost wiped out the odessey so your arguements are flawed. hives don't even have armor they ahve a hull and a hull which in the episodes The Lost Boys and The Hive are easily pierced by weapons fire from each other

[Inferno™]

I believe the episode you are talking about, is the one where the oddosy had 20% shields to start off with.

And as a matter of fact, prommie's shields were never "shown as weaker" further on in the show, simply because it never came into a fight with another hattak for the rest of its life.

And hull/armor, whats the difference? It's thick, thicker than the goaulds.

Be honest, answer me this, would you rather be in a hattak without shields getting shot by a hive, or a hive getting shot by a normal hattak, not a anubis enhanced one.

I dont care whether you agree or not, I aint posting here again, so I'll just bring some points back up for you too see.

1. Hive Ships are over 5x the size of hattaks and are war ships.
2. Hattaks are not war ships, more like carriers to transfer the pyramids they contain around.
3. Hive's have faster firing guns, like rail guns but super fast, MUCH faster than goauld, plus the energy emited from them tends to be 10x bigger, or so we've seen. AND they have many more than a hattak
4. The goaulds do have desent shields, ill admit, but the armor/hull on a hive, to go with its massive size, just makes it more defensive.


If you want to go down to gliders pwn darts, hattaks can hold like 20 odd gliders right? Hive's hold thousands of darts, which could take down any alkesh or glider squadron.

This isnt about a war between the 2, its a 1 on 1 collision between a hive and a hattak, dont forget that.

2 drones to pwn a hattak.
500 drones to pwn a hive.

Nuf said.

[Osi]

no it would be a war between the races you obviously didn't read this thread...my god...and I would rather be in a hatak with shields then a hive which I could swoop in bombard leave crippled and then fly away

[Nicholai Brocov]

Omg Triple ]-[ stop it already, it's like swiming upstream... You'll never be right as long as this topic remains in the goa'uld forum. Let it go. That goes for all of you goa'uld haters out there. Jeesh!

[Osi]

the goa'uld are also winning in the this and that section

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

size doesnt matter for crap sakes ppl.....

the deadulus is smaller than a hive ship and it took on 2 hiveships making it way to earth

think what a gouald hatak would do?

[Cole]

I didnt read this page as I dont need to.
Tauri missile touched wraith hive
same missile (but 2 this time) vs Apophis ship did a mini bump on it, like when you go off hyperspace.
There arent only drones in universe


Goaulds>Wraith for that
ha ha ha


And SGC you right

[-Ailm-]

size doesnt matter for crap sakes ppl.....

the deadulus is smaller than a hive ship and it took on 2 hiveships making it way to earth

think what a gouald hatak would do?

with the help of 500 odd Drones

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the only reason the goa'uld are winning is because they are a playable race here and thus have more of a following.

not to mention most of you are blinded by your love for the race....being the 'original' bad guy...

-Ailm