descension

[Aegidius]

I really like the idea but what about the new-low ranked ascendeds? Is there a ranking multiplier for this one-to-one ascended realm attack? or a ranking cap like the raiding in main?

[chunkysoup]

So say STI ascended again with everything he has right now.. he would have billions and billions of points to use. he'd be powerfull enough to sit there and take out everyone with little effort.

Doesnt matter how many points you got, you still only have so many ATTACK TURNS... takes attack turns to do stuff, ok?

And someone will always be more powerful than someone else, ok? I just had a decent length discussion with Mojo Rising (look him up in rankings if you dont know who he is), and that little point has been rubbed in to no end lol. Yea STI has the capacity to do a lot on ascension. So do a bunch of people. No update or lack of update will change that fact.

Deal with it.

[Tok`ra]

There should be an option to NOT play asencion server.

Personaly, Id rather just ascend and get a bonus on main each time than play ascended server.

[AI_]

There should be an option to NOT play asencion server.

Personaly, Id rather just ascend and get a bonus on main each time than play ascended server.

sorry but i think thats crap. if i remember correctly, ascension was to be for the very top players. it was for them to have a new type of warfare. if u wanted extra bonuses in main u had to take a risk. a risk of losing them and more. so if u dont want to play the ascended server im sure u could just ask somone and theyd be happy to change that for u

[Tyber Zann]

Its good to encourage people to play their ascention servers more. This would bring the ascention server up a notch. One month seems a little long though on ur main account though....

There should be an option to NOT play asencion server.

Personaly, Id rather just ascend and get a bonus on main each time than play ascended server.

The ascention server goes hand in hand with your main account. u want the bonuses, you play the game

[smooshable]

If there's a rank modifier then no one will EVER be descended.

If I attack player a until he's maxed out his defence will be gone but I won't be able to finish him until a few turns later but as his defence is gone he's dropped rank by then.

Yes, that would be a problem, but again, it will take a very powerful ascended being to decend someone, correct?
You're maxed out at 2000 turns..(I mean absolutely NO offence to anyone by this)..and if you can't destroy that person in 2K turns, why are you even bothering to wipe him out? 2K turns and 30 minutes.

No, that's not what being maxed out means at all. You can only attack someone about 10-15 times on ascended before their realm retreats and you can't attack them until the following turn, regardless of if you have 0 or 1500 turns left. It is totally on their end. Just like the nox insurance policy does on main however this is completely unvoluntary. I hope someone can be descended with 2k turns but I think 200-400 when this protection steps in is just a little bit to low.

[Aegidius]

There should be an option to NOT play asencion server.

Personaly, Id rather just ascend and get a bonus on main each time than play ascended server.

Thats exactely what should not be done lol

HISTORY:
1) Forum invented a new chalenge for top players. Start from fresh in main and have the privilage to play an exclusive and competitive server
2) ppl start using this privilege to boost their main account and nothing else
3) the ascension server get borring so more and more ppl forget about it

PRESENT:
There is a new update to give life back to ascension

Now you want to have the bonuses without the ascension server which was the center of the original idea about ascension? Basically you wanna keep the beautiful carpet for the entrance without the house and the ppl living in it.

[compmage]

A couple of points:

1) As other have already said, the damage to your main account should be greater and I think the loss of 1 ascended level is probably the best option.

2) If this is to be a one-on-one battle then the game should enforce it. For example if two players engage in a battle for descension they should be unable to either attack or be attack in any way by all other players in the game. They can only battle each other, this protection would continue until one of them is descended or a given time period has expired, say 3-4 days. To avoid players using this to protect their ascended accounts there should be penalties involved for engaging in a battle for descension, for example, while the battle rages they gain no DMU, and no planetary expansion takes place, perhaps include no 'training' of planets as well.

3) Descended players get 1 week protection in ascension but also lose 1 level in charisma (your influence will descrease, the shame of defeat has consequences).

4) The victor gets a temporary (12 hours maybe) boost to planetary expantion as mortals flock to his realm upon hearing of his mighty feat (no, not feet, feat ).

5) If the battle 'times-out' without a winner, both sides have a temporary (again maybe 12 hours) penalty to planetary expansion. If you engage in battle and don't win, even if you didn't loss either, you aren't likely to gain many new followers.

6) It would be good if results are posted somewhere for all to see.

ANy comments.

[Psi Kiya Trist]

ok, after having read all 5 pages.

descension should have more things against it.

getting one week of ppt is fine... if for the previous 3 weeks you could not log into your account at all (total chaos resulting from the death of their leader requires your realm to shut down, meaning even YOU can't help them) so, for the first three weeks after being descended, you'd log in to a screen that says:

you have been descended!
as your realm plummets into chaos from your collapse, your only memories are of what happened last in your state of godliness.

<insert last battle log here>

you only hope your realm is more settled when you're able to regain the strength to return in <21> days.

following the 21 day mandatory vacation mode, you'd then either be taken of vaca on the 22nd day, or pull yourself off it on the 20th/21st day after being descended. you then have your 7 day ppt to rebuild your ascended account with about half of the resources you would have gotten during the vacation mode with the exception of life force, which would comepletely regenerate.

i like the idea of a month loss of all bonuses as opposed to losing only one ascension. cause what happens if you're a prior and lost that one ascension?

imo vacation should be linked from ascendeds to main, but not vice versa. i'm fairly confident in my ascension account, and don't really think i should HAVE To go on vacation on it, if i'm going on main. it's just more stratigic that way.(and i'd be risking descension while i'm away)

there you go. my thoughts on this idea for descension. now to just PM everyone who's ascended, and tell them that any vacation mode on ascension will be reset, and if they resume vacation, they'll be put the same on main.

in all, a really clever idea Forum. good job
i just wanted to add a little onto it...

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[12agnar0k]

Love the idea forumn gr8 for this game a few thigns too consider tho.

1.

Yes the one month loss of ascended stats is a gr8 idea, but i say that after this 1 month period the main accoutn gains its ascended bonuses back to there (previous ascension state -1), so for a LG+1 30% there now a LG 25% , now its not gonna be massively hard for soemone to get this back , 1 week tops , if they have brought themselves a 100ku.p and are gonna have massive costs its there own fault for building such a high u.p without ever intending to ascend again.

1. a )

Assuming ofcourse that deascention will not allow the gaining of g+r durign the 1 month period , the main account should be given a time period which to gain g+r and ascend to recoup there deasenction loss before being able to be deasecnded again .

I.e

After a deascention ;, Ascension accoutn is put on a 1 week protection it cant be attacked nor can it attack,
Ascensino account cant be deascended for another 6 weeks time
Main account losses ascended bonuses , is unable to gain g+r or ascend for 4 weeeks

2.

The brand of deascended player , muhahahah, should last longer, as you have to reascend to recoup your deascended loss that is when the branding should be replaced , not it should probably change after the 1 month period but still be there , i.e

Before Deascention : Living God
After Deascention : Mindless Body of a Once Ascended Being
After 4 weeks : Incarnet , Living God Refuegee
After Re-ascention : Living God
(or perhaps : Restored Living God - for added permenance )

3. No automatic protectino to be given in main immideatly after deascention is a must, because they have not yet been hit in main , now it is easier to do so , im sure the destruction will hence forth arive.

[vinny d]

I agree with comp on making it so that it is only a 1 on 1 battle. Ascension was supposed to be the one for all server, but that is not the case, now is it? So there should be some way so that only 1 person can try to descend you at a time.

Say a 2 day protected period so no one else can try to descend you right after the other one tried.........if something along those lines does not occur, you know that descension would be 3+ on 1.

[Psyclone]

then if this is going to affect main account why not put all the other stuff that should affect main account also...charisma for a uu bonus to main and production capacity for naq bonus in main plus realm covert and anti covert bonuses in main??? If your gonna change main account because of ascended server than change it all!!!

[AI_]

then if this is going to affect main account why not put all the other stuff that should affect main account also...charisma for a uu bonus to main and production capacity for naq bonus in main plus realm covert and anti covert bonuses in main??? If your gonna change main account because of ascended server than change it all!!!

main affects ascension. u get APP from ascending. so why not whenever u buy a spy lvl u get a spy lvl in ascension? or when u buy UP u get fleets? now see how retarded taht sounds? what im trying to say is that ascension has to affect main to otherwise theres no risk of getting such a power bonus.

[bryan]

ive got a question:

is descending going to based off

Total Offensive Capacity
Attack Force Level
Attack Skill Level
Total Defensive Capacity
Defence Power Level
Defence Skill Level
Energy Repulsion Level
Personal Constitution
(you will only take 68% of the damage that reaches you)


if so, then the weighting of the calcs for these should be changed, alot

ive got over 2x the levels in def, and and there are more def stats, and yet, ive got only 3x the the def power of my attack. the levels increase exponetally in cost, they should increase the same way in stats

[Respenus]

I haven't read all the five pages, but from what I saw, the prblem of DeAscension was finally solved. THe only concern I had were the weapons, but those won't be lost. And being active in both accounts, deascension doen't really concern me much.

I really liked Psi's idea on the one month of deascension on Ascended account. 3 weeks mandatory vacation, one week PPT, you gain some materials,...

Great job Forum!