Fun Stats that will help prevent large raiders.

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it could be potentially very effective.

i think the total economy rank could work. but it would be structured like covert/anti covert rank is.

at least, thats how i'd see it.

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will be much better make 1 status that cover all posibilities.
u have:
ARMY SIZE
army size-miners = invested in power, already ranked

INCOME/MINERS
-this need to be ranked as u BRUTE FORCE

UP
-this need to be ranked as a measure of the BRUTE FORCE

so my SUGESTION IS:
GALAXY DOMINATION POWER=
[sqrt(income*48 )] * [sqrt(total UP)]

(income*48 ) is u DAY income, that u potencial for grow
(total UP/100) u total UP, a measure for direct GROW
PS: the squareroots on the formula is for prevent HUGE numbers, and make the distance between players smaler.

HERE SOME EXAPLES of the status of some players with...

miners= 10 Mill total up= 25k
GALAXY DOMINATION POWER= 37.236.111.505

miners= 25 Mill total up= 50k
GALAXY DOMINATION POWER= 83.262.476.543

miners= 50 Mill total up= 100k
GALAXY DOMINATION POWER= 166.524.953.085

miners= 75 Mill total up= 150k
GALAXY DOMINATION POWER= 249.787.429.628

miners= 95 Mill total up= 200k
GALAXY DOMINATION POWER= 324.616.894.200
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PSICOLIX wrote:I liked the idea, but not like the fact that UP/income/army r being ranked.


by the above, you mean that you mean that:

1. you do not like the possibility of three new ranks (army size, income, up), right?

or

2. you do not like the idea of one new rank made up of income, up, and army size?

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if 1.
we understand that, as that would make farming/raiding too easy for the lazy, and would reduce the use for covert...

if 2.
isnt that much the same as the idea you suggested? (copied to below)

PSICOLIX wrote:will be much better make 1 status that cover all posibilities.
u have:
ARMY SIZE
army size-miners = invested in power, already ranked

INCOME/MINERS
-this need to be ranked as u BRUTE FORCE

UP
-this need to be ranked as a measure of the BRUTE FORCE
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I do not like the idea of direct RANK.
why? information. that info coude be very dangerous.
i mean who have top 10 of each.
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Many people would like a way of seeing there ranks for income, army and such.

It may not have to mean it counts towards the overall rank.

So im with PSICOLIX's idea. :-)
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first off... this wouldn't stop raiders when they raid... they could just sell the uu... effectively a raider of this stature could accumulate naq in bank (via brokered sales) indefinately while hiding in the shadows. When the person finally comes out and spends the naq on UP/uu then they will rise in rank, but until then, it is quite possible to stay in the shadows.
my rank would benefit from this...
and it would make it harder and more costly to get into G&R range, since generally those looking to ascend try to keep UP and army size down.
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we do not like the direct rank thing either, which is why we suggested the "economy rank", which was in some way related to army size, up, and income, as those three things together wouldnt make it as easy to see who earns most or who grows fastest...

if your idea is a variation of this PSICOLIX, we kind of like it, we simply didnt fully understand it through your wording...

but if you (or anyone else) have an idea for how income/up/army size can be fitted into rank without having people capable of seeing who has best income or up from a rank, we are open for ideas...
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Re: A way to help prevent raiders.( large raiders)

Fortis wrote:
high empty wrote:
High Empty says:
Rank, for UP ( total)
High Empty says:
rank for army size (total)
High Empty says:
rank for income ( total)
High Empty says:
all three


i think this would be good but i dont think it should change our total rank, i think it should show u what they are ranked but it shouldnt change our total rank


i have to agree with him it should not chage your tottal rank. it wouldnt be good to thoes that want to ascend fast with little UP
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Fenrir Oorgata wrote:first off... this wouldn't stop raiders when they raid... they could just sell the uu... effectively a raider of this stature could accumulate naq in bank (via brokered sales) indefinately while hiding in the shadows. When the person finally comes out and spends the naq on UP/uu then they will rise in rank, but until then, it is quite possible to stay in the shadows.
my rank would benefit from this...
and it would make it harder and more costly to get into G&R range, since generally those looking to ascend try to keep UP and army size down.


THATS THE WORSE point i ever saw,
SMART RAIDER = BAD ATT and 0 MOTHERSHIP, that crap ranked even if he rank 1 in every othe status.

and the G&R being HARDER is a good thing!
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PSICOLIX wrote:
Fenrir Oorgata wrote:first off... this wouldn't stop raiders when they raid... they could just sell the uu... effectively a raider of this stature could accumulate naq in bank (via brokered sales) indefinately while hiding in the shadows. When the person finally comes out and spends the naq on UP/uu then they will rise in rank, but until then, it is quite possible to stay in the shadows.
my rank would benefit from this...
and it would make it harder and more costly to get into G&R range, since generally those looking to ascend try to keep UP and army size down.


THATS THE WORSE point i ever saw,
SMART RAIDER = BAD ATT and 0 MOTHERSHIP, that crap ranked even if he rank 1 in every othe status.

and the G&R being HARDER is a good thing!


whats with your constant flaming of my posts... very valid point... as a raider, if I did so, I would raid to sell, to accumulate naq, then at an oppurtune moment, I could do whatever i please...
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Zeratul wrote:we do not like the direct rank thing either, which is why we suggested the "economy rank", which was in some way related to army size, up, and income, as those three things together wouldnt make it as easy to see who earns most or who grows fastest...

if your idea is a variation of this PSICOLIX, we kind of like it, we simply didnt fully understand it through your wording...

but if you (or anyone else) have an idea for how income/up/army size can be fitted into rank without having people capable of seeing who has best income or up from a rank, we are open for ideas...


read it know, i agree with u, and i sugested one "working" formula with the curent levels on numbers in the other status. its important they r in the same levels, for it don't influence so much in the alliances rank.
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Fenrir Oorgata wrote:first off... this wouldn't stop raiders when they raid... they could just sell the uu... effectively a raider of this stature could accumulate naq in bank (via brokered sales) indefinately while hiding in the shadows. When the person finally comes out and spends the naq on UP/uu then they will rise in rank, but until then, it is quite possible to stay in the shadows.


Hey, being a raider should be a valid stategy. Just like its ok to be a mercenary, stat builder, trader or anything else. The part I dislike is the infinite brokering, which should be taken care of. But if a person wants to play this game supplying others with units, fine by me.
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Sleipnir wrote:
Fenrir Oorgata wrote:first off... this wouldn't stop raiders when they raid... they could just sell the uu... effectively a raider of this stature could accumulate naq in bank (via brokered sales) indefinately while hiding in the shadows. When the person finally comes out and spends the naq on UP/uu then they will rise in rank, but until then, it is quite possible to stay in the shadows.


Hey, being a raider should be a valid stategy. Just like its ok to be a mercenary, stat builder, trader or anything else. The part I dislike is the infinite brokering, which should be taken care of. But if a person wants to play this game supplying others with units, fine by me.


Thats my point though. This change would just create raiders that play the way I described... working in the shadows until they have enough wealth to come to the surface.
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ok for all raiders who find this suggestion unsettling


like some else said

if ur a smart person u already thought about a way to bypass this
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A few people do not want the up/army size rank know to other people. My question is who has the number one ranked attack? Thats right even though it is in the rankings you can't see it unless your there commander wouldn't this be the same way if we just added them into total rank? If it is set up so that we havean econmin rank and a miltiary rank then yes you could see whowas the best in each area but what dose that tell you if all you see is the total rank on the rankings?

Next thing is i personaly do not like this. It will now become eaiser to drop in rank. If you base it off of raw up then peopleascend and they are at 1 then since they just ascended they leave there army with a friend for 8 days and raid when they have 0 or close to it for mother ship, up, and close to0 for strike. there defense will be smaller and so will there income. so all they will really have is a covert, so it will be one decent rank and 5 that are terrible that dose not sound like you are stopping biggeraccount from raiding it's just moving up middle sized accounts that donot have a defense for some reason.
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