Upgrade to Goa'uld bonuses....

[Wolf359]

I have been asked to post my suggestion from the 'naquadah goes straight to secret temple....' thread http://www.stargatewars.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6365 as a new poll. I suggest you read both threads before you vote.

This is my attempt at trying to find a compromise between the arguments in the other thread, and it seems to have been met with enthusiasm across the races:

How about, to make it fair for everyone, that some of the extra goa'uld income is banked (I would say 50% of the extra income) - but only until the secret temple is full. That way the goau'ld get their nice little bonus and do not have to log on as often, but it is not too excessive so as to annoy everyone else. This would also mean that Goa'uld would not, on average, have to login 25% more than everyone else to bank their naq.

Why only 50% of the extra income you say? Well, for each race that has a significant bonus, there is also a penalty - crap defence for the Tauri, crap attack for the Asgard - this means that, in general, attacks against Tauri are usually more successful, and Asgard have to, mainly, rely on their own income generation for naq. So, if you want to have this little (and quite nice) auto banking feature, you must accept a penalty with it - and that penalty will be that some of the extra naq is open to attack, and the feature stops once the bank is full.

Some people may cry that this is unfair, and that the full 25% should be banked - to which I would say that some people would think you were getting off lightly with 12.5% and the relatively benign penalties that come with it (as opposed to Tauri, who have crap defence, so are attacked more and incur more repair costs etc....).

My honest opinion is that the Goa'uld are disadvantaged at the moment, and I believe this solution would go some way to nullifying that disadvantage.

[Lakrimo]

U might as well make it the entire amount of extra income auto banked, because lets face it, the goul'd dont have much else going for them in the abilities department.

[RepliMagni]

I agree to the half of the bonus....they do need a disadvantage with their bonus (although I wouldn't mind it going to all the bonus).

God....I can't believe I just agreed to give the Goa'uld a bonus.

[Wolf359]

I agree to the half of the bonus....they do need a disadvantage with their bonus (although I wouldn't mind it going to all the bonus).

God....I can't believe I just agreed to give the Goa'uld a bonus.

I know what you mean! I have to keep slapping myself to make sure I am actually awake and did actually propose it!!

Heh, heh! Only joking.

Or am I?

[Skyflame]

For, with a mod: Perhaps this could be a technology upgrade just for Goa'uld? Like, first they have none getting put away, then 5% then 10% then 25%? (Never higher than their bonus though)

What do you think?

[Elemental_FIRE]

Yes! replace the useless tech with new auto banking!

[Chris M]

For, with a mod: Perhaps this could be a technology upgrade just for Goa'uld? Like, first they have none getting put away, then 5% then 10% then 25%? (Never higher than their bonus though)

What do you think?

Give this dude a medal!!!!!!
what a suggestion!!!!

come on forum, even tho i may not be a goa'uld much longer, give us this. the goa'ulds are farms as it is. i rarely have my income at full!

[Eternal Usul]

Hallelujah!

*dances insanely*

That sinches it Skyflame, you made the idea perfect!

Please, o' glorious Forum, grace us with your presence in this topic.

[Sleipnir]

i rarely have my income at full!

Then goa'uld is probably the worst pick of race for you. If you're gonna be a goa'uld, you need to grab every little bit of naq you can, cause that's all you have going for you.

Some people may cry that this is unfair, and that the full 25% should be banked - to which I would say that some people would think you were getting off lightly with 12.5% and the relatively benign penalties that come with it (as opposed to Tauri, who have crap defence, so are attacked more and incur more repair costs etc....).

Remember, the tauri and Asgard penalties are to offset their HUGE bonuses. We're talking way more than 25% here. I think the loss of defensive units for tauri is compensated by the lower loss of offensive units (you need fewer to do the same thing), and the same goes for repair costs.

Now you call the goa'uld penalties benign. I once bought the special technology. Up to this day it has not payed for itself. I'm willing to bet every asgard, tauri and replicator has had their technology more than repay themselves. That's 1 penalty.
I also took the risk of buying the uber-expensive merc-techs. And lo, once again we're penalized. Where the other races get 5 upgrades, we get 4. Why? No reason was explained. That's 2 penalties.
Finally, we get a lower covert tech upgrade than any other race. Why? Once again, its not explained. 3 penalties.

The general concensus seems to be that the goa'uld 25% income bonus is more than enough to make up for all those penalties. It's not. Not by a long shot. Especially if it keeps getting stolen.

I know that sending 1/5 of our naq immediately to storage is a pretty good bonus. But don't we deserve it, to make up for all the penalties that we've collected along the way? I don't see why this bonus should once again be penalized.

[Wolf359]

i rarely have my income at full!

Then goa'uld is probably the worst pick of race for you. If you're gonna be a goa'uld, you need to grab every little bit of naq you can, cause that's all you have going for you.

Some people may cry that this is unfair, and that the full 25% should be banked - to which I would say that some people would think you were getting off lightly with 12.5% and the relatively benign penalties that come with it (as opposed to Tauri, who have crap defence, so are attacked more and incur more repair costs etc....).

Remember, the tauri and Asgard penalties are to offset their HUGE bonuses. We're talking way more than 25% here. I think the loss of defensive units for tauri is compensated by the lower loss of offensive units (you need fewer to do the same thing), and the same goes for repair costs.

Now you call the goa'uld penalties benign. I once bought the special technology. Up to this day it has not payed for itself. I'm willing to bet every asgard, tauri and replicator has had their technology more than repay themselves. That's 1 penalty.
I also took the risk of buying the uber-expensive merc-techs. And lo, once again we're penalized. Where the other races get 5 upgrades, we get 4. Why? No reason was explained. That's 2 penalties.
Finally, we get a lower covert tech upgrade than any other race. Why? Once again, its not explained. 3 penalties.

The general concensus seems to be that the goa'uld 25% income bonus is more than enough to make up for all those penalties. It's not. Not by a long shot. Especially if it keeps getting stolen.

I know that sending 1/5 of our naq immediately to storage is a pretty good bonus. But don't we deserve it, to make up for all the penalties that we've collected along the way? I don't see why this bonus should once again be penalized.

My suggestion was referring to the benign penalties that come with the suggested upgrade, not the supposed existing ones (which I know very little about - and which sound like they could be bugs rather than penalties).

But to say that all 25% should be banked, with no penalty is wrong - and there are a few thousand Tauri and Asgard who would agree to me, due to their huge (H U G E) penalties, which, in the case of Tauri, mean they are attacked more, get more damage, therefore higher repair costs - so any 'extra' naq they are able to steal due to their bonus is effectively offset in their defensive repairs.

We really don't wantthis thread going the way of the other one, wih one or two Goa'uld saying "No it should be 25%, bank limited ignored and no penalties" - as this would make it relatively very easy to save for covert levels and would give an excessive advantage. On the other hand, we don;t want everyone else simply dismissing the idea because they are not Goa'uld. I think my idea, perhaps with Skyflames additional thought, is the perfect compromise. It could even be introduced as a trial and then modified as necessary - as forum has done with things in the past.

[Sleipnir]

We really don't wantthis thread going the way of the other one, wih one or two Goa'uld saying "No it should be 25%, bank limited ignored and no penalties" - as this would make it relatively very easy to save for covert levels and would give an excessive advantage. On the other hand, we don;t want everyone else simply dismissing the idea because they are not Goa'uld. I think my idea, perhaps with Skyflames additional thought, is the perfect compromise. It could even be introduced as a trial and then modified as necessary - as forum has done with things in the past.

Well, let me use my 2000th post to agree with you. We don't want anyone saying that bank limits should be ignored. As I explained, this would turn the goa'uld bonus into a free 24/7 PPT for 25% of our naq. That's unfair on way too many levels for me to even consider it. I know 25% autobanking in itself is quite a big bonus, because it also works when you're not there.

Let's say you made 100M a day, and you would normally be able to cash in on 75% of that (the rest gets stolen). With 25% autobanking you would already get 20M a day safely tucked away. You only make 80M to the public eye, reducing your odds for getting hit. So let's say because of that, you would now be able to get 80% of what gets out in the open (as opposed to 75%). That's 64M. Add the 20M and you get 84M where you would have got 75M without autobanking. We'll leave out the difference in repaircosts, they're minimal. Overall we would be talking about an estimated 12% increase in income in the situation I described. For big-time farms it'll probably save them more. That may be too much. A trial situation sounds like a good idea, where stuff can be adjusted if deemed to powerful.

[Sleipnir]

*Bump*

[Rob--1]

dont forget that goaulds need more troops for their weapons and when attacking someone you lose a hell of alot more. not to mention losing 2500+ per 1x 15turn attack is very annoying!! especially when stats are fairly even...

i still believe replicators and asgard are to unbalanced.. give it a few more weeks and most asgards will be untouchable

[Wolf359]

dont forget that goaulds need more troops for their weapons and when attacking someone you lose a hell of alot more. not to mention losing 2500+ per 1x 15turn attack is very annoying!! especially when stats are fairly even...

i still believe replicators and asgard are to unbalanced.. give it a few more weeks and most asgards will be untouchable

I've always said that about the Asgard - but nobody listened. You don't need an attack if you have a great defence!

[Pyr0t3ch13]

I am a replicator and i agree very very much with this, when i first started i was Tauri, switched to gou'ald becouse i felt they were really weak and i had gown out of it, (high attack and no def helps only so far.) i liked the idea of the money bonus becous at that time i was only makeing like 200k a turn, so the bonus helped alot untail things became to expensive on my troops and repairs of my weps(def and off) so i decided to try asguard, found them just as "weak" to me as the Tauri, so i finally became Replicator, i found that the spy bonuses seamed very very powerfull to me and i soon descovered that i could use my spy power as a kind of defencive cloak. so this made the cost of my Def repairs went down a ton, and then i was able to save alot more of my income and stolen money as it wasnt over expensive to repair attack weps per my income and stolen money.

So Yes haveing played all of the races for a short period of time, i feal that the Goa'uld need this (how ever it be(as a upgrade tech or just instated)) to balance them out with the other races and thier bonuses.