raiding

[urogard]

My god are you still going on about this? I know plenty of ppl (NON COP before you say it) that have played ascention for longer than 8 months and not been raided, one of them has over 2 million planets and hasn't even been attacked once since he first ascended. IF you are getting raided or attacked then your account is built the wrong way and instead of complaining about it here you should go login and and start playing properly

1: wasn't me who revived this
2: lmao, doubt it cos so far everything that has been said by the "big" players got proven wrong at least once in my account (that a high def & whatever won't protect me)
3: by saying "knowing people" your statement already disqualifies itself.

[edit: 4: you should learn how to respect people, or at least talk to them in a respectful manner. I sensed a tone of anger/arrogance in that post. Though you're free to behave as you wish, to some exent.]

[Profitteroles]

My god are you still going on about this? I know plenty of ppl (NON COP before you say it) that have played ascention for longer than 8 months and not been raided, one of them has over 2 million planets and hasn't even been attacked once since he first ascended. IF you are getting raided or attacked then your account is built the wrong way and instead of complaining about it here you should go login and and start playing properly

1: wasn't me who revived this
2: lmao, doubt it cos so far everything that has been said by the "big" players got proven wrong at least once in my account (that a high def & whatever won't protect me)
3: by saying "knowing people" your statement already disqualifies itself.

[edit: 4: you should learn how to respect people, or at least talk to them in a respectful manner. I sensed a tone of anger/arrogance in that post. Though you're free to behave as you wish, to some exent.]

Some people are Do'ers and some people are moaners

Example of a 'Do'er'--- guy gets attacked/raided learns from his mistakes works his socks off builds for another ascention builds a monster defence so that losses of the attacker prevent it from happening again

Exapmle of a Moaner ---- Guy gets attacked/raided then comes to the forum moans about how unfair the game is (usually resulting in some kind of Omega bashing)
"Nothing i do will EVER prevent it from happening again"

"you are all wrong"

"Its ok for you you are in COP"

Now which group do you fall into?

[god of darkness]

A GOOD ADVISE FROM UNCLE GoD

before i joined DD/D12 i got raided 1-2 times.(i joined a week ago)
i builded a bigger defense and made shure that i'm not a easy raid target.
i have a few mil planets,because i did 1-2 nice ascentions and because i log on the ascended server 1-2 times a day.

just ascend a few times with a 10k UP and you will be growing a lot faster in ascention.
and also UP is the key to grow in ascention.
upgrade the charisma level => your UP grows to

raiding helps a lot in ascention,i raided today with 468 turns 140k planets from a guy.
i got 5-6k planets from each time i raided him.
if he had a bigger defense then i would have left him alone and raided a other guy.


so conclusion of the story :

-ascend with a big UP in main,you will grow faster in ascention.
-get a defense in ascention
-train your planets and use your dmu EVERY DAY
-and last but not least,use your lifeforce to buy important things like charisma,Production Capacity

BE ACTIVE IN ASCENTION (it takes you like 5 min a day)

[urogard]

Example of a 'Do'er'--- guy gets attacked/raided learns from his mistakes works his socks off builds for another ascention builds a monster defence so that losses of the attacker prevent it from happening again

Exapmle of a Moaner ---- Guy gets attacked/raided then comes to the forum moans about how unfair the game is (usually resulting in some kind of Omega bashing)
"Nothing i do will EVER prevent it from happening again"

"you are all wrong"

"Its ok for you you are in COP"

Now which group do you fall into?

by your definition i'm an intelligent do'er.
anything else?

thought you probably just don't listen how i say that getting a higher defense doesn't help cos if someone can't beat it they just attack for as long until they are able to (which happens to me half the time). So i'd like to know how far more i should be increasing it?

btw GoD: I login about 5-10 times in there cos i'm bored and watch my income grow. and i take time picking my targets.
And getting high up in main is probably the worst way in which you can gather app's for your ascencion mate, you should re-calculate the points you're getting

[Profitteroles]

Example of a 'Do'er'--- guy gets attacked/raided learns from his mistakes works his socks off builds for another ascention builds a monster defence so that losses of the attacker prevent it from happening again

Exapmle of a Moaner ---- Guy gets attacked/raided then comes to the forum moans about how unfair the game is (usually resulting in some kind of Omega bashing)
"Nothing i do will EVER prevent it from happening again"

"you are all wrong"

"Its ok for you you are in COP"

Now which group do you fall into?

by your definition i'm an intelligent do'er.
anything else?

thought you probably just don't listen how i say that getting a higher defense doesn't help cos if someone can't beat it they just attack for as long until they are able to (which happens to me half the time). So i'd like to know how far more i should be increasing it?

btw GoD: I login about 5-10 times in there cos i'm bored and watch my income grow. and i take time picking my targets.
[u]And getting high up in main is probably the worst way in which you can gather app's for your ascencion mate, you should re-calculate the points you're getting[/u]

Depends what your definition of a high defence in ascention is and why is UP aa bad way to get APP?

[god of darkness]

by your definition i'm an intelligent do'er.
anything else?

thought you probably just don't listen how i say that getting a higher defense doesn't help cos if someone can't beat it they just attack for as long until they are able to (which happens to me half the time). So i'd like to know how far more i should be increasing it?

btw GoD: I login about 5-10 times in there cos i'm bored and watch my income grow. and i take time picking my targets.
And getting high up in main is probably the worst way in which you can gather app's for your ascencion mate, you should re-calculate the points you're getting

lol,ask anny big player,
how they became big in ascention,it's because they ascended with huge UP's.
i know guys who ascend each time with 50-100k UP's,they are HUGE in ascention.

look an example

Unit Production Calculated on Total Levels 23653 (minimum 3999 required) 174854

that's my current UP,if i ascend it will give me 174854 X 33 =5770182 => 5.77 mil lifeforce in ascention.

trust me,that's a lot and it helps very well

let's say that you want to get it without ascending with that UP.
and let's say that you have ascended a few times and get like 500 lifeforce a turn => it would take you 11540 turns to get that much lifeforce or 240 days.and that's without the max lifeforce rule,then you get less lifeforce a turn when you reach your max.

[Hensenshi]

And getting high up in main is probably the worst way in which you can gather app's for your ascencion mate, you should re-calculate the points you're getting

Sorry, you should check your figures again. Let me explain this to you. Can we all agree that GenLucky(now controlled by Sinister) is the largest ascended player? Yes? Ok good. I was good friends with GenLucky from his first(Actually I was his officer during his first) to his sixth ascension. Each and every ascension he took up with him MASSIVE amounts of APP BECAUSE OF HIS UP! He and I did the calculations. After you pass 15k UP, the cost of each click, the UP, and the naq, put together is a fraction of what it would take to make that kind of APP with pure naq. Your weapons are valued by sellback value, Mothership is a losing proposition because of slots, UU is valued at 700 UU being 1 APP, trained units are the same just with the cost of training them added in, turns are valued 1 to 10, and mercs hold 70% of their buy value. So think about that for a moment. UP definitely IS the way to go for ascending.

And urogard, you are definitely a moaner in this case.

[urogard]

ok, and calculate the naq you needed to build that up plus add the number of uu's you could have sold for naq and then see how many app's you'd have gotten if you had used pure naq.

did it a long time ago. using up is the newbs way who doesn't have enough bank space or doesn't know how to use the broker. (I'd rather fill up my bank with those 2.7 tril naq which i can and then ascend than put it into up and loose massive amounts of additional uu's)

And urogard, you are definitely a moaner in this case.

Not really, Proffiterolles said do'ers do stuff instead of moan.
That's what i did. I got raided once (hell even had few assasins back then, didn't know waht they did) so i even lost half my def planets. I upped my def to about four times its size. Then increased it as my income increased. Eventually people started raiding me even though they had to mass my def down first (corckscrew did it a few times) before landing any hits.
Then this thread happened.

meh, and as proffiteroles asked me about my def. I know defence is relative. but I count a defence in relation to how often i'd have to login to bank my income.
I'd say i can login once a day and no one will attack me for dmu (no realm alert level). High enough?

[Profitteroles]

ok, and calculate the naq you needed to build that up plus add the number of uu's you could have sold for naq and then see how many app's you'd have gotten if you had used pure naq.

did it a long time ago. using up is the newbs way who doesn't have enough bank space or doesn't know how to use the broker. (I'd rather fill up my bank with those 2.7 tril naq which i can and then ascend than put it into up and loose massive amounts of additional uu's)

let me put some figures to you

APP WITH NAQ

To get 1 million app by using naq in your bank you will need 6 trillion naq

APP WITH UNIT PRODUCTION

to get 1 mill app with unit production you need a 52k raw up which costs 2.2 trillion Naquadah now your uu requirement will be about 2.5-3 mill uu. 3 mill uu costs what 1.8 trillion thats a total of 4 trillion.

So ascending with naq costs 6 trill with UP is 4 trill, i know what one i would choose. So still think ascending with UP is the newb way???

[bryan]

train your units?????????

have enough defence to protect your up and income??????

dont buy planets that you cant use... or are too good for your account.

what's the point in training your units when they still get raided. (the only difference it makes is that you save the stealer 3k dmu per planet to train it into an income planet)

enough defence to protect income planets? you're joking right
if the def is high enough certain people first attack you 4-5 times to bring it down a bit so that they can punch through.
If the def isn't high enough they just go through it anyway.


since when can you buy planets?

i meant dont buy UP too high..... but training your planets into spies or something to prevent them to be raidable.... also, if your defence is too high, people will take too many loses to bother with you.... there are accounts that are un-raidable due to the defence. if they aint careful through, they will become raidable

[urogard]

let me put some figures to you

APP WITH NAQ

To get 1 million app by using naq in your bank you will need 6 trillion naq

APP WITH UNIT PRODUCTION

to get 1 mill app with unit production you need a 52k raw up which costs 2.2 trillion Naquadah now your uu requirement will be about 2.5-3 mill uu. 3 mill uu costs what 1.8 trillion thats a total of 4 trillion.

So ascending with naq costs 6 trill with UP is 4 trill, i know what one i would choose. So still think ascending with UP is the newb way???

Ehm yes

[extracts from my current ascencion possibility]
24106 (minimum 3999 required) gives me 181616 app's [costs 484 bil naq to get]

(minimum 1506624 required) at a rate of 600k per uu makes 900 bil or could give me 2142 app's (even if i'd train those uu's into miners so that i get extra app's it will only be about 2500 so a marginal value)

ok so I got a total of 183758 app's in exchange for paying around 1.39 tril naq.

This naq could give me a total of 230711 app's.

Ok my maths is a bit rusty tell me please, which one is better?
183758 app's [up+uu] or 230711 app's [naq] for the same cost

The difference is nearly 20-25%

It might be worth it on the lower levels of ascencion. But you could have mentioned that first. On the higher levels though you can be certain that i'm right and that naq is the winner.

[Shooting Star]

let me put some figures to you

APP WITH NAQ

To get 1 million app by using naq in your bank you will need 6 trillion naq

APP WITH UNIT PRODUCTION

to get 1 mill app with unit production you need a 52k raw up which costs 2.2 trillion Naquadah now your uu requirement will be about 2.5-3 mill uu. 3 mill uu costs what 1.8 trillion thats a total of 4 trillion.

So ascending with naq costs 6 trill with UP is 4 trill, i know what one i would choose. So still think ascending with UP is the newb way???

Ehm yes

[extracts from my current ascencion possibility]
24106 (minimum 3999 required) gives me 181616 app's [costs 484 bil naq to get]

(minimum 1506624 required) at a rate of 600k per uu makes 900 bil or could give me 2142 app's (even if i'd train those uu's into miners so that i get extra app's it will only be about 2500 so a marginal value)

ok so I got a total of 183758 app's in exchange for paying around 1.39 tril naq.

This naq could give me a total of 230711 app's.

Ok my maths is a bit rusty tell me please, which one is better?
183758 app's [up+uu] or 230711 app's [naq] for the same cost

The difference is nearly 20-25%

It might be worth it on the lower levels of ascencion. But you could have mentioned that first. On the higher levels though you can be certain that i'm right and that naq is the winner.

Nope! You are wrong! So wrong! UP is definitely the best way to gain APP. Naquadah doesn't even compare. Here is the way you do it. Get your raw UP as high as you are humanly able. The higher your UP, the more APP you get per multiple. When you reach your goal UP, leave it at that level for 67 days and you will make back the UU that you are going to lose because of the ascension (doesn't matter what level you take it to, 67 days is the magic number). Now, of course, I may not know what I am talking about because I only have the SECOND ranked account in ascension, but hopefully you won't hold that against me. And, if you do that well enough, you may not have to ascend all ten times and have your account be virtually self-sustaining.

[Profitteroles]

And getting high up in main is probably the worst way in which you can gather app's for your ascencion mate

We aint talking about little 20k up's here were talking as you said "High" ups you know the 70's 100's and 200k raw up's. So you can sit there and argue till you are blue in the face that its cheaper fo me and i have a 20k up because to anybody who is planning to do well in ascention will be aiming for 50k UP and up which is why i gave my example for a 50k up,

[RepliJake]

To give you some sort of idea


Unit Production Calculated on Total Levels 112465 (minimum 4499 required) 3952723

[Profitteroles]

To give you some sort of idea


Unit Production Calculated on Total Levels 112465 (minimum 4499 required) 3952723

lol come on get Jeff to post here