Stop artificially producing AT in the market.

[Blitz]

now if you did notice it seems that many people hold the same veiw

as it was never implemented and the poll shows it

thus the reason it was a dead topic

and yet after many months someone has decided to bring it back up and proceed to beat a

Dead topic

and i have not said anything becuse it has all been said i did my vote and thats it

now shall we continue to beat a

Dead topic

and take up space here on forum

i would think thats a very valid opion on this subject as we have voted on it with a poll already and the comunity spoke its mind


now is that better Wolf

and it is a valid point and defantly did not need that mod speak

as it totaly pertain's to this topic and the fact

i repeat

( FACT )

it has been done and over with a long time ago



blitz

[pro tech]

AT's should be taken off the market and just have it so we generate them with each turn like we do now, and then newer accounts can sell them, bla bla bla.

No one needs to raid 24/7 just to catch up with the bigger players, there is another way which 99.9% of you probably will already know, Unit Production is the most important thing in the game. Well it is in my eyes.

By selling AT's plus with what you get per turn naq wise, you could be using it for upgrading your up, no need to raid then, and if you get into a war it will not be much of a problem when it comes to rebuilding your account back up as you would have a good up to help.

I think raiding is a very good way for increasing your armysize short term but long term, very very pointless depending on your goal

If your raiding so that you can catch up the big players then you have no hope because big player have there high up.

Players who raid uu when there armysize is already past the million mark no doubt also have a high up Lets just get rid of the AT's on market and make the game better like it used to be, more fairer for all that way.

[Curumo]

Uhm to be honest ... 1 m mark is really not much ... And getting a UP when having a high income is much easier than with a small income.

So i am kinda against taking away ATs generated on the forum. The rise of cost is very nice and a good thing but taking it away would be a bit too drastic. I mean this would/could give the bigger players a monopoly ... with their incomes it would be easy for them to buy the market empty and with their contacts they could maintain their monopoly rather easily imho.

Speaking honestly 1m army isn't much, 5 m army isn't much, hell being a lg +1 with a 10 m army isn't much today. Thus catching up today means 20 M army and LG+1 to have some chances in the game. So i ask you, how can a newer player catch up without the possibility of gaining a higher army size relatively fast?

[urogard]

agree with curumo.

1 mil army doesn't bring you anywhere today.
hell not even a 20k up brings you anywhere

raiding is the only way
so at's should remain

[Sleipnir]

Yes , but you seem to forget the addition of the TRADE BROKER!

Nope, I actually mentioned the fact that abusing the exploit had been made easier and safer, by which I meant the TB.

i am taking MY INCOME and spending on attack turns at a very expensive rate mind you that increases every week..........i raid with that.....

I could live with it if it ended there. The problem is, once you're done using your natural income, you can sell what you raided or spend some of the turns farming, or use whatever other means to turn part of the profit into more turns to continue the process, without having to wait for more turns. That's my problem. Your profits are relative to the amount of turns you spend, and the amount of turns you spend is only limited by the amount of time you invest. If you have less time to invest, there is only one way left to keep up: $$.

the problem is
forum has no control over how other players want to sell thier mts to other players
thats thier buisness

No, he doesn't. But there's no need. I've already suggested how to fix that. Just limit the amount of turns that can be spent each week, not how many one can buy. Players will still be able to sell their MT's. Players will however not be able to buy an endless supply of turns. Active players will have a chance to buy more turns than they would normally get, up to a limit. Less active players would be able to sell their turns, and their MT's. A player can still use his own MT's for lifers, and buy another's MT's for AT's. Options aplenty.

As for how this would fix the gap between big and small, that also needs to be looked at. The problem has already been mentioned, those who started earlier have the advantage. This should have been balanced by keeping unit losses relative to army size. That way, someone with a larger UP will regenerate more units a day. Someone with a larger army will lose more units a day. If you armysize is too large for your UP, you will lose more than you gain. Essentially, if your at 50-100M armysize, it should be so that you need a massive UP to cover the losses of getting hit a few times a day. Smaller players can catch up easier. You can still raid to speed it up, to the weekly limit. You should also not be able to raid someone whose army is much smaller than yours.

Given these steps, and the fact that right now, 15 AT's get you what took those who started day one over a month to collect, it should still be possible for new players to catch up. And not just through spending endless hours of raiding to make up for the 2 years of playing they missed.

[[DDE] Bastion]

After skipping 9 pages...I'd say no. Reason being is that this is a war game... the best way to war in this game is to mass. Limiting how much you can mass would A) Make alliance wars lame and B) turn this site into http://www.pptwars.com - which is something that I (nor many others) do not what.

[Obsidian311-]

After skipping 9 pages...I'd say no. Reason being is that this is a war game... the best way to war in this game is to mass. Limiting how much you can mass would A) Make alliance wars lame and B) turn this site into http://www.pptwars.com - which is something that I (nor many others) do not what.

after also skipping all the pages i would have to agree with her. this game without producing more than 3 turns per person per game turn would limit the amount of play and for some would actually cause them to probably quit due to the fact that they are bored and have nothing to do. i for one am a raider. i raid for about 3 different people and have to have a steady supply of turns and for me to not be able to get them would cause me to not have anything to do which in turn would be this...... bank...... log out. ........go on ppt.......let turns build up........go back on ppt........ raid the turns......... wait till monday and do it all again. as you can see not very fun.

[Hells__Angel]

[Cough] Bastion is a girl [/Cough]

More ATs the better IMO.

[Obsidian311-]

[Cough] Bastion is a girl [/Cough]

More ATs the better IMO.

thanks hells. i come from WoW so im not used to girls that play MMO's lol

[311 [TA]]

We have at least 1 girl in the Tauri Alliance Crazy .....I can testify to that

[Munchy]

@ Munchy - I see your point - but don't agree - I was there at the beginning - I was by no means one of the first players, my id being 4000 something - yet all the best (top) players at the time weren't the ones who spent the most time online, or who joined the game first.

Let me ask you this.

How do you catch up to the top players on the ascended server? There is only one real way, and that is to do a power ascention, or ascentions. Yes, you can farm and whatnot, and that helps, but it won't ever bring you anywhere near the top players without ascending again. Now what would happen if the extra ascentions didn't help you? There would be no way to catch up to those who started before you, no matter how much you farmed, worked diplomacy, thought strategically, whatever, it would be to no avail.

Without raiding main would be like ascention except there would be zero ways to catch up. Also, if the aspect of no market/limited market is so appealing, wouldn't ascention be more popular?

[Wolf359]

now if you did notice it seems that many people hold the same veiw

as it was never implemented and the poll shows it

thus the reason it was a dead topic

and yet after many months someone has decided to bring it back up and proceed to beat a

Dead topic

and i have not said anything becuse it has all been said i did my vote and thats it

now shall we continue to beat a

Dead topic

and take up space here on forum

i would think thats a very valid opion on this subject as we have voted on it with a poll already and the comunity spoke its mind


now is that better Wolf

and it is a valid point and defantly did not need that mod speak

as it totaly pertain's to this topic and the fact

i repeat

( FACT )

it has been done and over with a long time ago



blitz

Blitz - my comment there was as a mod/admin - and I really do not like it when forum users think they can get smart by having a pop at a mod - consider yourself formally warned. I hate having to repeat this - if you do not agree with a mod comment, THEN TAKE IT UP IN PRIVATE!

Second - the topic has not been dead for months - until someone posted a couple of days ago it had only been one month since it was last posted in.

Third - if you knew how we as Moderators/Admins run this forum then you would know that we don;t like people starting up new topics on the same subject and prefer them to add to existing ones - no matter how old.

Got that?

@ Munchy - again - I see your point completely - and even agree with it - and I never byany means said my initial suggestion was the 'be all and end all' - and actually liked some people's later suggestions. The reason I amde the suggestion in teh first place was because this is a war game - yes - you are all right on that. But doesn't a war usually take some king of strategy and preparation?? Again - yes - with the mass availability of AT there is no longer any strategy or preparation. 1 person can mass an entire alliance (even a powerful one) in the blink of an eye without (and this is my point) really having to worry about it.

I've been around from the start and take it from me as fact - people are becoming more and more unhappy with the way SGW has developed - and they are leaving, not only because of things such as this, but many others.

Liek I said previously - things are EASY in this game now - there isn't any real risk anymore. Even if your account gets obliterated you can completely rebuild within a couple of days.

The fact that they are EASY is why peopel are resistant to change - nothing else.

[Blitz]

[quote="Wolf359"][quote="Blitz"]now if you did notice it seems that many people hold the same veiw

as it was never implemented and the poll shows it

thus the reason it was a dead topic

and yet after many months someone has decided to bring it back up and proceed to beat a

Dead topic

and i have not said anything becuse it has all been said i did my vote and thats it

now shall we continue to beat a

Dead topic

and take up space here on forum

i would think thats a very valid opion on this subject as we have voted on it with a poll already and the comunity spoke its mind


now is that better Wolf

and it is a valid point and defantly did not need that mod speak

as it totaly pertain's to this topic and the fact

i repeat

( FACT )

it has been done and over with a long time ago



blitz[/quote]

[i][b]Blitz - my comment there was as a mod/admin - and I really do not like it when forum users think they can get smart by having a pop at a mod - consider yourself formally warned. I hate having to repeat this - if you do not agree with a mod comment, THEN TAKE IT UP IN PRIVATE!

Second - the topic has not been dead for months - until someone posted a couple of days ago it had only been one month since it was last posted in.

Third - if you knew how we as Moderators/Admins run this forum then you would know that we don;t like people starting up new topics on the same subject and prefer them to add to existing ones - no matter how old.

Got that?[/b][/i]

[/quote]

tust me wolf if you think thats a go at you you should go and reread it a few times

i know full well what you as mods like in posting and what you don't i have read this forum as much as possible for almost two years now

now let me say this if i had a go at you it would be totaly clear cut and very simple

and i agree with you totaly that if i had a problem with you or another mod it would be in private

now i would like to hear what other people think about my posts were they a go at wolf or were they an opion my opion mods included

concerning my frist post and my second

now i will re voice my opion once more this was voted on a long time ago and we see the result so do we really need to keep this topic here as i know that my vote is up there

so now i have had to post 3 times for one topic which is the only one in which i have done so ever

my opion is as above i will not change it

so if i must ill take another warning for voiceing my opion

blitz

[Obsidian311-]

...

[pro tech]

Its a war game, everyone including new players need to take there time and plan more, not just raid.

I have been playing since May 2005 and I can remeber back when there was not a market at all, We only could donate for PPT if we wanted it, not saying the whole market should go because that was a good update on the game but, something needs to be done about the raiding.

Back then everyone needed to put time and effort into there account wether it was for improving it or a simple plan to start a war. They was the fun days

Also back when I first started playing this game, a player called JUAN was rank 1 and rank 2 and 3 was ELUSIVE and EnterTheLion, in no particular order, and I used to always think how is anyone able to catch up with them, ie, Armysize or even rank, I did not think it was ever going to be possible because back then you could have as many officers as you wanted which would of made there total UP excellent. AND WE DID NOT HAVE THE RAID OPTION.

Raiding should be a thing of the past OR even have limitations added to it somehow to force players to actually play the game with more thought, the way it used to be.

There is always away and raiding should not be it, thats just what I think, a player who has been around 3 months after the game first started