Corkscrew.

[Reaperman]

I am posting this here because I feel it is something that the community should be aware of.

Most of you knew bill and knew that he bought JUANS account some 5-6 months ago.

Bill has been happily playing the account up until he recently decided to leave SGW.

I have bought the account and up until 3-4 days ago was very happy with my purchase. I paid a significant amount of cash and paid in full.

A few days ago I have received this message.

Message text:

Alright mate, look this issue needs to be resolved. If you\'ve paid this account off in full, then i recommend you tell your seller to pay up to JUAN. If not some nasty things are going to happen. Its between you and your seller. So best of luck hope you make the right decisions....

Needless to say I am rather shocked to get this message given that bill owned the account for 5-6 months and not ONCE during this time has any issue been raised by JUAN regarding not being aid for the account.

Had such an issue been raised I would not have gone near the account.

I would be happy to speak to Bill about it however I have not seen him online since the day I bought the account and even before that we rarely spoke.

Although we have never spoken Cork I have aways respected you for your seeming even handedness and sense of fun here on the forums and if this is some kind of joke then haha, nice one, you got me.

If this is not a joke however I think you need to go have a word with yourself.

This is NOT an issue between me and my seller, If this is an issue, it is between juan and HIS buyer.

I point out again that bill was playing this account for 5 - 6 MONTHS and the sale of the account was common knowedge for over 1 month before I actualy bought it so if there was an issue with paymet then JUAN should have done something long before now.

I appreciate that your offline right now with PC probs which is why I asked Myan to talk to you about it but the response I got back was far from encouraging and hence my post here.

If anyone of you who are actually involved in this (ie: Bill or Juan) happen to drop in please feel free to post your comments.

[Snow Wulf]

shocking this is prety strange. If you payed of Bill than i dont' think this shuld be of an ishue of yours

[Theta Sigma]

I think rather the point is the account, and that being the case, Andy wont have a problem reducing the account to nothing if the matter isn't settled. They've already done SOMETHING like that before. My advice is to simply get in touch with Juan and get his feelings on the matter.

If indeed Bill failed to pay...Fraud is fraud man, get what I'm saying? it kind of makes you an accessory after the fact.

[Maleki]

Juan was the biggest cheat this game has ever had, if he gets stiffed on the account I say great.

I for one won't have anything to do with making anyone pay anything to Juan.

[GeneralChaos]

I can see where iKon is coming from there, but thats wrong, he shouldnt have to contact JUAN, as he bought the account from Bill, how was he to know that the account hadnt been paid off...

If this happens then anyone at all using the market can pull the same stunt, sell an account then claim it was never paid for so that someone else goes in and masses it.

If Bill didnt pay for it, then JUAN needs to get intouch with him and demand payment, as he was using it for a good 6 months, also why did he wait until the account was sold on again before saying something.

Im sure this account sold for quite alot of $$$ so if Bill received payment in full then he should have no problem paying JUAN anything that is owed if anything is owed.

[Vendetta]

Juan was the biggest cheat this game has ever had, if he gets stiffed on the account I say great.

I for one won't have anything to do with making anyone pay anything to Juan.

i like JUAN and personally dont think he was a cheat.

however if Bill really didnt finish paying JUAN, or didnt pay him at all, it is JUAN and Bills problem. not reaperman, reaper paid for the account fair and square and he should not have to pay for it twice, nor be massed due to the fault of someone who failed to pay and someone who failed to chase them up on it.

[[KMA]Avenger]

man, to say this is a screwed up situation is the understatement of the year!

like others have said already, this isn't reapers fault and everyone who knows him will agree with me when i say, theres no way in hell he would have bought the account if he knew bill hadn't payed Juan for it!

i count bill as a friend but he has seriously screwed up if he's robbed Juan of the account.
not only has he cheated Juan but has withheld important info on the account so he could quit SGW with cash in pocket

for bill...if he ever reads this...

bill mate, you need to come on here and make things right.
this is your mess and NOT reapers!!!


very disappointed in bill

[Emma Desala]

Disappointment in Bill is a little far-fetched, albeit understandable.

However, I think this mess is in part simply JUAN's error. Simply because the actions that are about to be taken could have been taken before.
Or was Bill too powerful for Corkscrew, and is it only after the sale that Corkscrew was able to go and state his intentions without risk of losing.

No way I am accusing Corkscrew of anything here, btw. If he's asked by JUAN (very old player, if my lookup turned out right) I can understand he would do so without questioning.


Regards,

[Relentless]

Disappointment in Bill is a little far-fetched, albeit understandable.

However, I think this mess is in part simply JUAN's error. Simply because the actions that are about to be taken could have been taken before.
Or was Bill too powerful for Corkscrew, and is it only after the sale that Corkscrew was able to go and state his intentions without risk of losing.

No way I am accusing Corkscrew of anything here, btw. If he's asked by JUAN (very old player, if my lookup turned out right) I can understand he would do so without questioning.


Regards,

I think Juan wants his account back eventually, and he probably had a deal with bill, but if some new guy has it its going to be harder, and cork will probably harass him endlessly, and make this guys game absoule crap, while bill runs of with his money.

I hope juan does come back, he is the only player to smash the crap into omega and they couldnt ever do anything about it....

[[KMA]Avenger]

I hope juan does come back, he is the only player to smash the crap into omega and they couldnt ever do anything about it....

if you dont know what your talking about i suggest you not post!

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[Vendetta]

agreed

[Lord-RahL]

Disappointment in Bill is a little far-fetched, albeit understandable.

However, I think this mess is in part simply JUAN's error. Simply because the actions that are about to be taken could have been taken before.
Or was Bill too powerful for Corkscrew, and is it only after the sale that Corkscrew was able to go and state his intentions without risk of losing.

No way I am accusing Corkscrew of anything here, btw. If he's asked by JUAN (very old player, if my lookup turned out right) I can understand he would do so without questioning.


Regards,

I think Juan wants his account back eventually, and he probably had a deal with bill, but if some new guy has it its going to be harder, and cork will probably harass him endlessly, and make this guys game absoule crap, while bill runs of with his money.

I hope juan does come back, he is the only player to smash the crap into omega and they couldnt ever do anything about it....

Replijake was constantly massing JUAN, and their was nothing JUAN could do about it...


RahL

[Emma Desala]

The power of Omega is not in question.

JUAN and Metalmessiah were among the first to rise to power, if I recall correctly.
Why would he and Bill make a deal? And more, why would Bill back out of a deal. I don't believe he would.

It seems someone contracted Cork to be their personal Law Enforcer.
In law though, Reaper is the one who possesses the account rightfully. If I pay for something, even if it is stolen, that property is mine. If I am aware of the theft, that makes me an accomplice, but if I buy the stolen object in complete ignorance to the theft of said object, I am the rightful owner.
The thief can be prosecuted for theft and demanded to pay up damages, but the object is still mine.
I wonder what law applies here.



Regards,

[Munchy]

The power of Omega is not in question.

JUAN and Metalmessiah were among the first to rise to power, if I recall correctly.
Why would he and Bill make a deal? And more, why would Bill back out of a deal. I don't believe he would.

It seems someone contracted Cork to be their personal Law Enforcer.
In law though, Reaper is the one who possesses the account rightfully. If I pay for something, even if it is stolen, that property is mine. If I am aware of the theft, that makes me an accomplice, but if I buy the stolen object in complete ignorance to the theft of said object, I am the rightful owner.
The thief can be prosecuted for theft and demanded to pay up damages, but the object is still mine.
I wonder what law applies here.



Regards,

Um, I really don't think that is how it works. That would be like saying someone could steal the Mona Lisa, sell it to me for 30 cents, and it would then be my property under the law. Technically speaking, you can't legally sell something that isn't yours to begin with.

Atleast, I don't think you can

[Vendetta]

yup yup, if you buy stolen goods regardless of if you know they are stolen or not the goods will be reposesed if found, returned to the rightful owner, you will hopefully be refunded your money (probably throught the thiefs belongings) and the thief will be put in jail and get owned in various ways