Rules and You?

[Bad Wolf]

I put faith in forum's intelligence

can you create a problem that even you cannot solve? that would be very smart but ultimately create a problem you cannot solve.

it seems i have done this

for now... its a tradeoff between 'leaving naq in the open on a non complete trade' and overbank.

now - all that said - there is an answer. the mods helped me find it. 10+brains are better than one

it'll be in next update.

Nice to hear it and Well done.

BW

[Psi Kiya Trist]

I do not consider it cheating. Forum would have had to think about this when he put the code in for it to go into your bank if you start the trade but it does not go into your bank if someone else makes the broker. Forum obviously considered this when he made the code.

he didn't think of it with the $50 SS being released giving an extra spy lvl, so, granted that, do you think he'd have enough foresight to see this abuse?

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

I put faith in forum's intelligence

i don't think i have a doubt of his intellgence, maybe his clairvoyance, but not intelligence.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[Forum]

question answered

[Rottenking]

dude...stop changeing the questions.... i voted and then you changed the rules...a this is a unfair vote ( unless you deleted the poll and then made a new one which i dont think so cause i cant vote again...but on a whole..for the peoplw who voted no it will show up as a yes ( cause u changed the questions)

[Forum]

lol. no. no votes changed. just one question added - with no votes on it. it was rhetorical
(and you caught me - i said 70 but was 69)

Is the behavior described bye me Cheating in your eyes?
Yes
24% [ 17 ]
Yes, but i dont care and do it
1% [ 1 ]
I dont care
13% [ 9 ]
No
10% [ 7 ]
No, and i happyly use such methods
20% [ 14 ]
over banking is ok but thats as far as i go
30% [ 21 ]
solved w/ bank leak and space needed for trade to ->bank -new option by admin. 70votes behind.
0% [ 0 ]

Total Votes : 69

dude...stop changeing the questions.... i voted and then you changed the rules...a this is a unfair vote ( unless you deleted the poll and then made a new one which i dont think so cause i cant vote again...but on a whole..for the peoplw who voted no it will show up as a yes ( cause u changed the questions)

[Emma Desala]

Magnificent solution.

I just wonder how accurate it responds to turn changes.



Regards,

[Flavar]

lol. no. no votes changed. just one question added - with no votes on it. it was rhetorical
(and you caught me - i said 70 but was 69)

Great work really great work there are still three points of a nice list here that i need answered ( stolen from Xeen) Howewer it would be more than enough to get for now a say if its allowed or not ( possibel is somethign else)


2. Sending UUS without deserters - Standart way you will lose 5% because of dessertions. It is also common and not officially forbidden to send UUS via broker before ascend but reciever rejects that after ascends and no 5% + 5% (back sending)
Cheat or not?
= if it is not allowed then game can take 5% of deserters in time of setting broker - not in time of accepting

3. More than 2 PPTS per week - If you wil ascend you got +1 free PPT but still can use 2 more PPTs via market. But at market is written you can use only 3 donations and 2 PPTs.
Cheat or not?
= if it is not allowed then game can forbide you ascend if you have no free PPT left and if you ascend then remove you 1 PPT for that

[Sleipnir]

can you create a problem that even you cannot solve?

Wanna see an almighty being sweat? Ask him that question.

[Flavar]

May i warn you for spamming on topic please

[S T I]

well it looks like the broker/bank system has gone to pot, when it was first set up & people pointed out how scams could be done, ie reject/accept trades & then hit account, so it was changed so this was imposible.

after this thread/update just look at the mess, forum fixed the problem in the first place & now has unfixed it.

I forsee players being scammed all over the place with trades being set up & accounts being hit when trades are accepted.

[RobinInDaHood]

well it looks like the broker/bank system has gone to pot, when it was first set up & people pointed out how scams could be done, ie reject/accept trades & then hit account, so it was changed so this was imposible.

after this thread/update just look at the mess, forum fixed the problem in the first place & now has unfixed it.

I forsee players being scammed all over the place with trades being set up & accounts being hit when trades are accepted.

People will adapt. You just have to make sure that before you accept a broker, you have another window open ready to spend or move the naq around. Using ALT-TAB to quickly switch between windows will cure most of the problem. However, I will certainly make sure I'm on PPT for really big transfers or those that require multiple operations like train supers, arm, buy fleets, etc. all from the same batch of naq.

[Munchy]

well it looks like the broker/bank system has gone to pot, when it was first set up & people pointed out how scams could be done, ie reject/accept trades & then hit account, so it was changed so this was imposible.

after this thread/update just look at the mess, forum fixed the problem in the first place & now has unfixed it.

I forsee players being scammed all over the place with trades being set up & accounts being hit when trades are accepted.

People will adapt. You just have to make sure that before you accept a broker, you have another window open ready to spend or move the naq around. Using ALT-TAB to quickly switch between windows will cure most of the problem. However, I will certainly make sure I'm on PPT for really big transfers or those that require multiple operations like train supers, arm, buy fleets, etc. all from the same batch of naq.

At the moment the system is completely busted, or was atleast a few hours ago. If the other person accepts a broker, even if you have the bankspace, the naq still goes out in the open. I have heard of over a half dozen cases already of players getting hit because their brokers were accepted while they were off, and the naq not going into their banks even though they had hundreds of billions if not over trillion free space available. If that is the 'solution', it is like putting a bandaid on a finger and cutting of the same persons leg...

And accepting naq brokers has always put it in the open, people are not complaining about that, it is having the other person accept it and having it go into the open that is making people angry. As STI said, it is just a way to enable people to scam people...which I don't think was Forums intention.

[Hells__Angel]

Im sure forum doesnt want people getting scammed using this method. But its bound to happen.

As far as I have heard its just a bug? That the naq needs to go into your bank. If your bank is full it will go out into the open, and if you only have some space left it will fill your bank and the rest will go out into the open.

[RobinInDaHood]

At the moment the system is completely busted, or was atleast a few hours ago. If the other person accepts a broker, even if you have the bankspace, the naq still goes out in the open. I have heard of over a half dozen cases already of players getting hit because their brokers were accepted while they were off, and the naq not going into their banks even though they had hundreds of billions if not over trillion free space available. If that is the 'solution', it is like putting a bandaid on a finger and cutting of the same persons leg...

I agree the problem(s) with it need to be fixed. I did a test transfer with someone that had a 1 trillion bank space and 200 billion stored and the bank put 100 naq out in the open on broker. This is definitely a bug and should be fixed.

The scam thing is only a problem if you send a broker to someone since you have control over when you accept an incoming. I guess everyone will really need to make sure that if they send an outgoing broker, they are available to take receipt of the goods and not simply log off and go to bed. This will cause more transactions to happen in real time, I suppose, instead of being deferred.

In the early stages of new change, there is always a period of adjustment while people learn new strategies. It's unfortunate that some people have felt the need to prey on those who are trying to work their way through the changes.

[Munchy]

At the moment the system is completely busted, or was atleast a few hours ago. If the other person accepts a broker, even if you have the bankspace, the naq still goes out in the open. I have heard of over a half dozen cases already of players getting hit because their brokers were accepted while they were off, and the naq not going into their banks even though they had hundreds of billions if not over trillion free space available. If that is the 'solution', it is like putting a bandaid on a finger and cutting of the same persons leg...

I agree the problem(s) with it need to be fixed. I did a test transfer with someone that had a 1 trillion bank space and 200 billion stored and the bank put 100 naq out in the open on broker. This is definitely a bug and should be fixed.

The scam thing is only a problem if you send a broker to someone since you have control over when you accept an incoming. I guess everyone will really need to make sure that if they send an outgoing broker, they are available to take receipt of the goods and not simply log off and go to bed. This will cause more transactions to happen in real time, I suppose, instead of being deferred.

In the early stages of new change, there is always a period of adjustment while people learn new strategies. It's unfortunate that some people have felt the need to prey on those who are trying to work their way through the changes.

The thing about having people send brokers to you, atleast in the case of uu's, when you accept the broker for the naq, the other person then has tons of uu's out in the open, and thus liable to be raided. It is why brokers have been done 95% of the time in the other order(where the uu seller accepts). At the moment it is a lose, lose situation, and some players are knowingly, or possibly unknowingly, taking advantage of it.