2-11-07 Bank Updates

[~SPARTAN~]

not complaining. Just reporting a glitch, when you broker someone, and they accept, the naq shoudl go to ur vault right? Because mine went out in the open, and I had more than enough space to hold the naq.

[Don Lewis]

Well, you guys that were using the over banking bug were CHEATING!!!!!!

So its your own fault for becoming relyant on that plan. And as for penalising smaller players, you dont think i had the exact same problems months ago? I had to buy weps and lose 80% to save up for spy levels, etc.

Get a mate to save up your naq etc.

But in essence, you were all cheating. You werent giving yourselves an advantage, you were taking the adantage away from those who worked to get it. And that in my eyes, is wrong.

Awsome update admin, keep it up.

[Kit-Fox]

Interesting a big player in a big alliance saying its cheating, well god forbid anyone catches up with you

[Sup Com Thor]

Well, you guys that were using the over banking bug were CHEATING!!!!!!

So its your own fault for becoming relyant on that plan. And as for penalising smaller players, you dont think i had the exact same problems months ago? I had to buy weps and lose 80% to save up for spy levels, etc.

Get a mate to save up your naq etc.

But in essence, you were all cheating. You werent giving yourselves an advantage, you were taking the adantage away from those who worked to get it. And that in my eyes, is wrong.

Awsome update admin, keep it up.

I think that with the update it will make more players focus on growth in their area of the rankings and not aim for such high ranks by saving and going on a massive spend. However I suppose in some ways you could stay it was cheating as its an adavantage that not all players have (through brokers requirin ppt), but there are things that other players have and others dont. Does this count as cheating?

Furthermore the fact that it was left untouched untill now in this update shows it isn't viewed as cheating from all sides. If the admins saw this as cheating they would of took this "advantage" away from players along time ago. I may be contradicting myself here, but in the long run this update could be better for the game. I think that this update has created so much controversy because of bank leaking. It's like they have been thrown in the water, with naq lying in theirs banks they have to spend it quickly. This could also effect if its saved up for ascension or something.

[DUDEY]

i used the over banking thing myself a while back
I had 100bill stored when my bank could only hold 15bill
Now my bank can hold much much more
Over banking helped me grow
It wasnt cheating it was just using it a little differently to how it was originally ment to be used such as buying MTs used to be before they came even more expensive and the AT limit was brought in

[Sup Com Thor]

Yea I used it for MT buying then I sold the ATs for a nice profit. I've been working on increasing my bank size for the last few weeks now, I'm actually raiding after I've made this post.

[spasticinformation]

Heres what I believe it comes down to: some people have been big enough to use tons mppt to increase to bank size for a long while, while others like me where trying to ascend and didnt have the naq to spend 12bil extra a week just to increase our bank size. Now that the mppt doesnt give a plus to the bank when I and others reach the point where our accounts are fully ascended and big enough to afford 12bil on bank size we wont have the option to.

Spastic

[Supersized]

I must admit I was furious about the whole bank thing at first, but now that the shock wore off I feel better about it. I will adapt to the new changes, and overcome them.

[Vendetta]

for all you who said you wanted a poll, read the first post of this thread, Geisha kindly linked to My thread, with a poll in it. so far its 47 yes to 3 no.

The no overbanking thing is fine, but without it, mPPT's really need to give you the boost. or banks will be a hell of alot smaller and grow a dam lot slower. not to mention someone who starts today would have about a 1trill bank total at 100mill army. alot less than those that have 10's of trillions, with less than 100mill. and resetting banks would cause quite the fuss and alot of agrivation. especially if it cause people to leak trillions of naq

Also i disagree with having it as a technology, atleast with the increasing prices. at spy level type prices, it will still be extremely hard to increase bank size out side of miners. especially since the boost wont raise your bank nearly as much as the next update. even at UP prices it would get pretty dam hefty after a while.

perhaps if the price stayed the same, like evolution upgrades in chaos. but then thats just gonna cause the huge players to have insane banks, and then admin is really gonna need to put in new spy lvl caps

mPPT is the besr thing for bank size increases outside miners. infact it works better than miners in alot of cases

[|ninja|]

The no overbanking thing is fine, but without it, mPPT's really need to give you the boost. or banks will be a hell of alot smaller and grow a dam lot slower. not to mention someone who starts today would have about a 1trill bank total at 100mill army. alot less than those that have 10's of trillions, with less than 100mill. and resetting banks would cause quite the fuss and alot of agrivation. especially if it cause people to leak trillions of naq

I agree, I have no problem with overbanking being removed, though I don't think it was cheating when you sold uu and it went to the bank (perhaps it was abusing a feature if you used to bank farmed naq etc...). The removal of this "feature" (as it was not introduced by accident, it was there to protect traders but used to break the bank limit) just brings another problem to the fore.

What reason do newer players have to keep playing? The challenge brought by the new changes is great, but is the challenge the same at all ends of the spectrum (i.e. for people who won't be hardly as effected by the changes)? I want to catchup so that I can war on the highest level too, that's the challenge that keeps me playing, and I have the activity and the brains to do it (not because I'm a dole-bludger or anything but I'm used to tick games which require more activity and I have retired from most of those games). I refuse to buy a leet account, or spend money on uu, as that removes the challenge (and hence my reason to play). But going on PPT often just limits my ability to catchup, as it seems it is the only way to sell uu and MTs without substantial losses.

I haven't really thought of a solution, but yes it is an open-ended game and starting earlier means you'll always have an advantage. But there has to be some balance so that starting late doesn't mean you should have no hope ever getting to near the top despite how much more effort you put into your account. You may as well not signup.

PS: I wouldn't mind PPT not having a bank bonus tbh, as long as banks of every player was reset to its natural state (except for FSS bonuses maybe). Its only fair isn't it?

[GAT-X207]

so how much has bank space taken a hit?

[deathguard]

we should have mppt thing but put some form of cap on it like 150 or some thing cause this is rediculas with people that have 10 tril cap i have a cap of 2 bil atm and i was planing to get that up but i guess now i cant so im stuffed there is now way i can catch up

[Vendetta]

we should have mppt thing but put some form of cap on it like 150 or some thing cause this is rediculas with people that have 10 tril cap i have a cap of 2 bil atm and i was planing to get that up but i guess now i cant so im stuffed there is now way i can catch up

why does it matter if they have huge banks? if they wanna wait long enough to save up 10trill to buy something, they deserve it, they can also be used to hold traders naq

[Pungemo]

It is very apparent that the majority of those who approve of the updates are the same people who have huge armies, who aren't even impacted by the updates except that it weakens their enemies. There is an obvious bias in these updates, which I strongly expect is the lobbying of certain powerful members influencing the admin more than the desire for a balanced and fair game.

[|ninja|]

It is very apparent that the majority of those who approve of the updates are the same people who have huge armies, who aren't even impacted by the updates except that it weakens their enemies. There is an obvious bias in these updates, which I strongly expect is the lobbying of certain powerful members influencing the admin more than the desire for a balanced and fair game.

Well its correcting something that is essentially a mistake, which is why I don't mind. If you have a bank limit... and it can broken easily... there isn't much [EDIT] point of having it all. I don't know about intentional bias, but I agree the updates haven't done much for a balanced game and making it more challenging for everyone.