asending vs non asending

[Sir Vipper]

Id just like to know peoples point of view on the topic itself, Crusher is a perfect example of non asending but thats like 1 in 1million people to be able to do what he did, I understand the fact that asending gives you greater pwoers but if u trade in glory u can get soem of the more important abilities, But could u get the full power of an asended player in the time it takes to asend and rebuild?

[Envy]

Id just like to know peoples point of view on the topic itself, Crusher is a perfect example of non asending but thats like 1 in 1million people to be able to do what he did, I understand the fact that asending gives you greater pwoers but if u trade in glory u can get soem of the more important abilities, But could u get the full power of an asended player in the time it takes to asend and rebuild?

I've ur acsended u can better rebuild as one , it's hard to rebuild non acsended accoet if u have a large income and a decent UP .

Acsended once has more bonus points than non .

[Sir Vipper]

I suppose asending once has an atvantage but it also has a draw back besides the fact that its like stoping half dressed, is the increase of prices... Althoguh I see you point of asending once then building a massive army... it doesnt sound that impresive.

[_BlackAsc_]

me i ascended once and am now building my army to a modern size of atleast 20mil before continuing it just seems better, the weapons help alot as an ascended and its already 1 step closer than not being ascended at all, i personally say ascend but what it all comes down to is personal thoughts and your method of calculations.

[Envy]

Well if I aint wrong it's better to acsend althougt more and more LG's are comings mean non-acsended people will bounce backwards into the ranks and power .

It's better to take the hard way to the top than the easiest way althougt all my bonus ar 31% , and that allot more than 1 bonus for each standaard bonus from a race like , Gau'uld , Asgard , Tauri or Replicator.

If I had to begin over again I would have taken Replicator , but anyway acsneding is now pretty normal for the most and it's better to do so
But again we can force people how they wanne play give me a non-acsended account with a 100k UP/day and I will be happy

[HellFire]

Actually, for war, I'd much rather be a Goa'uld AC'er. We get 10% of def troops lost, so, for the panzey's who sell all def, we get a good chunk of UU

~HellFire

[dredd2525]

Well for my 2 cents lets look at some of the benefits of ascending once and the full LG2x.

Each basic race has its own strength but all but goauld are making realitively low income per UU and on top of that are loosing 5% of everything they make that they put into their bank. Ascended's and goa'ulds keep every penny they deposite.

Now large armies mean large incomes which means you need a large defense. Ascending just once nearly cuts the number of defenders you need for a given defense power in half. sure you are paying more per defense point with one acension but guess what? That other 1/2 of your defenders can make you money instead of just waiting to die.

Once you get to that goal of Living god 2x your income surpasses a goa'uld by a fair ammount. I make 115 naq per UU as a LG2x with 9 planets. I have massed goa'uld defenses with 1/2 the troops and my attack planets are nothing special. and I've massed a tauri with almost 1/4 the soldiers. I challenge anyone not to be happy with those kind of odds.

say as a 50 mil army lg2x I go to war with a replicator that also has a 50 mil army. Lets say both our defenses start at 350 bil and we foolishly don't sell our defense at all. Lets say we both have 7,000 weapons and shields on our MS, and 1 million covert agents. Same spy and antispy levels. Finally lets say that we both have a 350 bil strike to be able to mass each other.

War starts first thing we do is mass each other. my strike army which is almost 2 million troops hits his 4 mil soldier defense and we start taking casualties. he takes double the casualties I do and pays slightly more if he manages to repair. My weapons have more hit points so I'm repairing less often then he is while massing me. He returns the favor by massing me. his 4 mil soldiers come to kill my 2 million troops. 25% of the time my defense is doubled causing extra damage and casualties to his army. when all is said and done neither of us has a defense we have lost most of our defense soldiers and 3/4 of our strike soldiers.
My total losses = 3.5 mil soldiers so far.
His total losses = 6.25 mil soldiers so far.
Haven't mentioned our MS during all this. you may remember we both started out with MS that had 7k weapons and shields each. my ascended MS has far more power per weapon for the same cost. that means I started blowing through his shields and he may have never blown through mine since his weapons started getting destroyed first.
so now we get to the replicator strength, covert. we train up AC and start removing spies. turns out that as ascended I have nearly the same covert bonus that a replicator does so we are training the same ammount of covert agents.
Finally of course we begin sabotage but eventually we both get board declare peace and start rebuilding by going on an 8 day ppt binge.

well i have 3 mil more miners making me more per turn.
We started with 50 mil my layout was:
2 mil super strike
2 mil super defender
1 mil covert
45 mil miners

His layout was
4 mil super strike
4 mil super defender
1 mil covert
41 mil miners

We still have the same miners we started with, so over our 8 day ppt binge we earn:
me: 1,995,840,000,000
him: 1,259,520,000,000
Lets say we buy back our lost UU off the black market at the current going rate of about 630mil/k
my losses of 4.5 mil UU including covert = a cost of 2,835,000,000,000
His losses of 7.25 mil UU including covert = a cost of 4,567,500,000,000

now I know I may not have included everything and a couple parts of the stats are from digging way into my brain, so please treat these as estimates. However, that said, I think this shows a pretty heafty case for ascending.

[Flavar]

good math wow.

coudl you do me a favor and do the amth for me:

i have 54,510 raw up

and arround 40 mill uu and i am an lg +1

my plan is to finish ascending once i have 10 good up planets
and as minimum 50 millium uu.
is it worth it? should i do it sooner=?

[Profitteroles]

good math wow.

coudl you do me a favor and do the amth for me:

i have 54,510 raw up

and arround 40 mill uu and i am an lg +1

my plan is to finish ascending once i have 10 good up planets
and as minimum 50 millium uu.
is it worth it? should i do it sooner=?

Go up with a higher raw up mate for your army size you should ascend with at least 5 mill app

[urogard]

only go for app after you are at least 50m big

[dredd2525]

good math wow.

coudl you do me a favor and do the amth for me:

i have 54,510 raw up

and arround 40 mill uu and i am an lg +1

my plan is to finish ascending once i have 10 good up planets
and as minimum 50 millium uu.
is it worth it? should i do it sooner=?

flavar with that crazy UP wait as long as you are comfortable with but not much past 50 mil and give yourself a real monster ascension.

Once down side however is you are going to have to find a really small person to hold your UU for you while you ascend because you can't broker an army that would put someone over 50 mil total.

[Lore]

Ascended VS non ascended my thoughts on it.

take a 50 mill ascended account and a 75 mill un ascended account and mass them both back to the stone age. Now pit them against one another in a war while them must grow.


The 25 mill army size difference is to offset the cost of ascention. Even with this difference the ascended account will out pace the unascended account. The loses on the unascended account will be greater and the asceneded accounts bonuses will be benificial.

Ascention is the way to go.

[Inferno™]

Yep ascended is better. I'll make points cleaer for dum people tho.

UU now cost over 2x as much as un-ascended weapons and about the same as ascended weapons.

(these figures are not accurate but accurate ones display same thing)

3mil supers and 3mil unascended weps.
equal
1mil supers and 1mil ascended weps.

The supers alone of the unascended one cost 1.5x mroe than the ascended ones stuff.

[dredd2525]

however , an asgard will have a better defence , with lower cost , and with less supers than AG (ascended 10 times)
same for a tauri , for strike.

I hate to be contrary, but I can mass an asgard with less attackers then his defenders as a lg2x.

[Flavar]

good math wow.

coudl you do me a favor and do the amth for me:

i have 54,510 raw up

and arround 40 mill uu and i am an lg +1

my plan is to finish ascending once i have 10 good up planets
and as minimum 50 millium uu.
is it worth it? should i do it sooner=?

flavar with that crazy UP wait as long as you are comfortable with but not much past 50 mil and give yourself a real monster ascension.

Once down side however is you are going to have to find a really small person to hold your UU for you while you ascend because you can't broker an army that would put someone over 50 mil total.

good idea. and i have somebody allready holding 30 mill of my uu.

all i have in my account are lifers at the moment.

i just wish i had a steady inet and thus the ability to really play