CoP: What should be changed?

[Alabrax]

Then I guess none of you were meant to be the best.

I do not believe your intention was to help us be the best. I also do not believe that your question was an honest one, but I only say this because I now see that you did not intend for us to tell you want we thought CoP should do but rather you wanted us to be put in your shoes and see things from your point of view.

*disclaimer* this thread by no means indicates that we are even considering changing our current policies. This is for my own personal attempt at trying to understand the sgw community.

Your sly attempt failed because you did not word your opening post correctly. You should have been more honest, and just asked us to see things from your point of view.

[Mattwell]

Wow, this thread is going to a bad place very quickly.

Sort of like a CoP dominated SGW.

[Mystake]

so to sum up what I think I'm hearing:

1) you don't us to having good military relations with anyone.
2) you want us to sell our defense and not raid as much.
3) you want us to not mass because we were attacked (even for naq).
4) you don't want our alliance to back up each of their individual members.
5) you want us to be a little more open about our procedures.
6) you don't want us to mass people because we have grudges with them.
7) you want us give away stuff freely.

While we're at it, why don't we just pull our pants down and bend over too!

are you being serious or are you just getting my hopes up in order to crush them?

[slicky]

Up untill now every alliance that isn't in COP have been afraid to completely follow through any attacks on us becuase they...

A. Can't do crap coz they aint a very good player.
B. Are good at building stuff but dont want to loose it.
C. After one massing of a COP member want it all to be over and delt with, when they blatently know COP don't need much of an excuse to turn an account to litrally nothing in all servers.

The Legion just changed that

read....

Nope; can't see The Legion written anywhere in there

btw - it's funny to see you on cop side now....I suppose that was your only way out of DD sitting on your account - lol

LOL you like talking about stuff you have no clue about, DD suffered some damage by my hand they did sit on my account for a few days, but i struck a deal with them, which is why they stopped not because i joined Alpha quite some time after all that had happened.

Your alliance doesn't deserve a mention there, as according to many of your members in various different posts they state The Legion didn't want to war with COP.

How ever all the small alliances that have now decided to join in are in mind where i say "UNTILL NOW"

[Hansbrough]

Then I guess none of you were meant to be the best.

I do not believe your intention was to help us be the best. I also do not believe that your question was an honest one, but I only say this because I now see that you did not intend for us to tell you want we thought CoP should do but rather you wanted us to be put in your shoes and see things from your point of view.

*disclaimer* this thread by no means indicates that we are even considering changing our current policies. This is for my own personal attempt at trying to understand the sgw community.

Your sly attempt failed because you did not word your opening post correctly. You should have been more honest, and just asked us to see things from your point of view.

this has nothing to be do with honesty, as those who know me will tell you I rarely joke around and I do not believe in leading people on saying one thing and doing another. I hate liars and I hate being lied to, as I'm sure many of you do too. I did intend on hearing some logical suggestions... and I suppose from what I've read dealing with rek and dde, that their training massings could use some tweeking which has been taken under advisement, however, there have been other suggestions by other people saying that cop should break up; I mean why should we? Yeah it might make life easier, but as etl has pointed out, when the alliances don't work together, then the cheats get away with murder.

[Neimenljivi]

so to sum up what I think I'm hearing:

1) you don't us to having good military relations with anyone.
2) you want us to sell our defense and not raid as much.
3) you want us to not mass because we were attacked (even for naq).
4) you don't want our alliance to back up each of their individual members.
5) you want us to be a little more open about our procedures.
6) you don't want us to mass people because we have grudges with them.
7) you want us give away stuff freely.

Well u don't need to do all that stuff...I franqly like the way things are right now (things that are currently in war not that u mass when u're not in war with whole server for 1 naq hit or smth like that)

~N

[RobinInDaHood]

I think your labels are accurate to where you took them, but you failed to follow through and reflect on the fact that group behavior in one setting can be considered 'bullying' while in another can be considered 'good common sense.' It all depends on what frame of reference you'd like to paint SGW as to where your view comes out on the CoP. Now, I see each player as a realm. And therefore, I lean towards seeing the way we play on the bigger scale. I see the collecting of forces together for common defense as good common sense, rather than as bullying.

I suppose it's all really a matter of perspective. I don't pay much attention to the day-to-day operations of CoP alliances. I base my opinions mostly on the behavior of some of their more vocal members on the forums.

I have many people in CoP alliances that I consider friends. I don't think that CoP is fundamentally bad. However, I do think that they way some of its members use that weight and bulk to further their own petty causes is pathetic and small.

The ironic part is that in most cases, the most obnoxiously verbal of your group seem to be the ones with the weakest accounts. I rarely see the strongest players in CoP flexing their e-muscle but often see the smaller accounts doing so. I suppose that blustering is simply part of the game experience but one that I find distasteful.

Anyway, CoP can continue as is, disband, add more alliances, whatever. It doesn't affect my style of play or the choices I make in-game.

[RobinInDaHood]

so to sum up what I think I'm hearing:

1) you don't us to having good military relations with anyone.
2) you want us to sell our defense and not raid as much.
3) you want us to not mass because we were attacked (even for naq).
4) you don't want our alliance to back up each of their individual members.
5) you want us to be a little more open about our procedures.
6) you don't want us to mass people because we have grudges with them.
7) you want us give away stuff freely.

To sum it up, this is what I'm saying:

1. It's a war game, play it how you want to. If people think you're bullies or evil for it, who cares?
2. I'm not sure how or why anyone would think that was a reasonable request. Build your account in whatever manner you choose.
3. Mass whoever you want to. I've certainly massed over single naq hits.
4. Bring all 200+ members in every time there is a covert intrusion in your logs. Just don't expect people to respect you for it individually.
5. Keep all your inner processes hidden and secretive. How much can there really be in a text-based browser game anyway? I suspect most people couldn't care less either way.
6. I mass when I have a grudge. Why shouldn't I expect you to do the same? I just choose to stand on my own instead of relying on an alliance to back me up.
7. I give stuff away from time-to-time. I'm under no obligation to continue to do so and neither are you. I don't think I've ever asked anyone for anything in the game and have, to date, repaid any help that was given without solicitation.

[SVaRuN]

Personally I would say do as you please...

If you are asking what to do that such things as this war never happen again my two cents wouldbe on:

- adjust your policy to smth like an unofficial SGW policy (it basically means you need to have a justified reason for a war, to not set up wars...to allow ppl attacking your members for a gain...not wishing them harm etc...
So no farming...(aka more then 3 attacks a week...or 2 per day )
no massing of members...they can raid your members as they can attack you if you keep to much of UU or NAQ on the open...
ETC etc it is complicated of course, but what you were douing was not nearly an unofficial sgw policy...there is nth wrong with your idea if you have power then surely you can try to enforce it...it just happend that we came and we didnt agree with your policy further more we could less care... we played by the rules we have set and we believed they were the right ones...when you guys recieved a couple of attacks on your members you already saw it as a threat then the farming of our guys came ...and that was pure farming...(aka bryan) and also on your forums call towards war...and unofficial plans about it even by some of your leaders began...so we already knew we were at war...only the date wasnt set...so we increased attacks on your boys...I think DD was exception and they only recieved one naq steal...with 1 ats or smth...
Anyways then it just happen that the rest hopped on the train...(or was it more then that ) and here we are in this war...

There is nth wrong with it this is a game and this is how it went...no sense in crying over a split milk...but if you want to ask yourself what is that community wish you change...I would say that free hands you give to the induvidual...that..policy of yours that is starting to take away the freedom or basically disables a good progress in sgw...You did well only wanted to protect your members...by making...writing things as MAD (DD) but my guess would be the result was...not the one you wished...

Instead of you making them possible to not bank as often as they "should" they completly abused the sistem (not all but quite great many) and so we could see individuals who had 250 bils out...a 180 bils of a defence...and an income of 10 bils per turn...not to mention 100 bils out and 60 bils of a defence...
In other term they expected to go on vacation for 1 month and to come back with a trill laying out on a 50 bils groundwork (a bit exagurating but still)
Or perhaps...a good intention where you would protect everyone and show to the sgw that you are like a family...all for one and one for all...and again good intention and quite some of the COP members abusing it...picking on ppl etc

That is only my view...since taxonomist "asked" for it...sorry if you disagree I do not say I am right in everyting or at least one thing that I have said...but I do believe in these words and I am saying it if perhaps some of you do wonder and some of you do agree on some or all of things that I have said

Yane...

P.S. Sorry for the typos..little time...and I am off to bed...without checking it through )

[You there! Old Woman!]

How about you change the pudding menu in the canteen, I know when I was there past few times all they had was sponge cake and custard! After the fourth serving its just not the same



Wait I know what you're all thinking "when was Dundee in the CoP canteen....damn they let anyone in these days"

Maybe I was in desgise......eh you think about that, the guy in the beard in the corner eating all the pudding...I saw you all stairing, "Oh thats just the new guy"

muhahahahahahahahaha

PS: I know this is spam but its damn funny.

[Hansbrough]

How about you change the pudding menu in the canteen, I know when I was there past few times all they had was sponge cake and custard! After the fourth serving its just not the same



Wait I know what you're all thinking "when was Dundee in the CoP canteen....damn they let anyone in these days"

Maybe I was in desgise......eh you think about that, the guy in the beard in the corner eating all the pudding...I saw you all stairing, "Oh thats just the new guy"

muhahahahahahahahaha

PS: I know this is spam but its damn funny.

and how would I change epa... hmmm... perhaps they could just grow a pair instead of ever-widening their confederation. OOps, we're talking about cop policy...

Thanks for the post svarun it was insightful, however, I guess your alliance found out that CoP doesn't mind the occasional naq hit, but farming us, well that's a different story and is indeed what has driven us further into war.

I guess the thing to respect is that even though we may not have a lot wrapped up in defense (due to them being massed very easily considering how many wars we get into), we've had to adopt a bigger stick (larger strike power) to act as our defense. Your alliance got massed because of it, and perhaps should be a lesson to all... don't farm if your farms have strikes large enough to take you out.

[You there! Old Woman!]

How about you change the pudding menu in the canteen, I know when I was there past few times all they had was sponge cake and custard! After the fourth serving its just not the same



Wait I know what you're all thinking "when was Dundee in the CoP canteen....damn they let anyone in these days"

Maybe I was in desgise......eh you think about that, the guy in the beard in the corner eating all the pudding...I saw you all stairing, "Oh thats just the new guy"

muhahahahahahahahaha

PS: I know this is spam but its damn funny.

and how would I change epa... hmmm... perhaps they could just grow a pair instead of ever-widening their confederation. OOps, we're talking about cop policy...

Thanks for the post svarun it was insightful, however, I guess your alliance found out that CoP doesn't mind the occasional naq hit, but farming us, well that's a different story and is indeed what has driven us further into war.

I guess the thing to respect is that even though we may not have a lot wrapped up in defense (due to them being massed very easily considering how many wars we get into), we've had to adopt a bigger stick (larger strike power) to act as our defense. Your alliance got massed because of it, and perhaps should be a lesson to all... don't farm if your farms have strikes large enough to take you out.

You can grow pairs!

[Hansbrough]

muhahahahahahahahaha

I guess that's something we both have in common... we both think we're funny when we really aren't.

[You there! Old Woman!]

muhahahahahahahahaha

I guess that's something we both have in common... we both think we're funny when we really aren't.

That was my evil laugh

Hey man it keeps me entertained I aint trying to be a comedian!

[Finarfin]

I only read the first page, so I dont know if the points I raise have been made have been made before.

COP basically draws parallels with the Roman Empire and Nazi Germany (Not calling them evil dictators, or comparing SOME aspects, e.g, genocide (If my message is unclear, I mean they definetly aren't like that). They basically are a huge Empire, with a titanic war machine. Everyone else is basically a Barbarian tribe or a lesser nation, E.G, Greece (B.C era), or a Poland (1930s). Everyone wants to crush it, but naturally they fight back (And win).

This makes people hate them more. Attacks get bigger from more sources. Eventually they will be overrun, but will be replaced by a bigger power (E.G, an America//Soviet Union).

How to improve to gain people liking you?

Why do you need to? You aren't abusing the game rules or cheating, so why change how you play? What can you do, disband your entire army?