re: turns/turn ; superweapon bidding ; ascended attacks

[frazz]

well i think reactions are getting heated right now

untill the exact update is known in how it will work its difficult to say what will happen

tho i have to say it would suck a bit the last ascension i had lost me in the region of 12 mill uu in main and that was 5 mill app or so

i wouldnt say i have an especially great ascension account it could be better but thats the challenge i know roughly wot the top players earn in planets a day so i increase my charisma and my fleets will take time and work but its possible

i see the point from big players its a major loss to accounts i know from expereince it hurts like hell to go big on ascension the loss to dmu, planet production etc is a hard one to swallow

and i see the point from non CoP players about being raid targets etc etc but in the end thats wot a def is for if u get hit u rebuild better and bigger with some effort and time it can be done hurts like a bi$&h but u learn from it adapt and move on

the main thing that has to happen is the loss of the superweapon i was under the impression it randomly appeared in accounts wot was happening with it was not good for ascension server but i can understand why it was getting used that way

the best way way to improve the game is probably some sort of modifier to planet production for lower ranks thats where the real power is in ascension maybe not fair to the hard work put in by others but i know some of my base powerups are higher than people ranked well above me (yea i know u both told me i was a dough ball for doin it, you both know who u are, but hey it happens)

just my two cents with no real suggestions i liked ascension the way it was tbh

[Sleipnir]

I think it's highly unfair to those who actually put in the time and effort to play the server. I don't think they should be penalized.

Do you even know they'll be penalized? For all I know they're just not getting a cut of the AT's/turn boost. For all the people claiming the market is essential in main to provide newer accounts with a way to get more turns and to catch up, I see the exact opposite arguments here. Probably because with this update it doesn't give the top guys a way to exploit it more than the little guys.

And as for Sleip's arguement, while it's true that by the time they catch up they'll have the same issues, it's much easier for them to catch up now.

All they will have is more turns to spend. They will still need to put in a lot of work to make those extra turns count. I've heard the argument plenty of times that it takes skill to raid your way to the top in main. I'll use that argument against you now. It takes even more skill to raid your way to the top in ascension, even if you get more turns. Remember, even though there's more, it's still a limited supply. So what are you worried about, getting beaten by someone who started later but put in a lot of work and skill to use their extra turns to catch up?


About the SW, I think that having the ability to destroy an account with one click will probably unbalance the game. If someone uses it against you, there's pretty much no chance you'll be able to return the favor. Destroying someone should take careful planning, skill, and a lot of work.

[SSG EnterTheLion]

I wonder how long this game will last with all the top players leaving ...hmmmmm

[Nostradamus]

I wonder how long this game will last with all the top players leaving ...hmmmmm

Not much, but I think it's wrong to use this as an argument.

I think the best solution is to create 2 sides, one with people against this and one with people who are supporting it ... each side will elect a couple of representatives, they will meet and make a list of arguments then both sides will meet with forum on a chat and present the arguments ... forum might even take a few people(mods or admins) as advisors.

This is in my opinion the best way to solve this .... we have seen many times beeing said that this game reflects real life, well lets use what democracy has tought us into the game.

[Hammond]

TUT TUT TUT

a bit of a boo boo there forum

i think you need to rethink this one.


as with others i am high ranked in ascention top 10-15 and i have been saying for a while that the game would benifit as a whole if the AT rate was increased but to make it so it only increases for the low ranked is a bit of a waist of time.

my main account was decimated after my last ascention and now i need to do it again to keep up.
but that is the whole point, it takes hard work and sacrifice to make ascention work. if players are not willing to do what the rest have done they do not deserve any help at all.

i too will be hanging up my coat if this update goes ahead. and that is not a threat its just the way i feel about the direction the game is going. the ascention server was all about the superior ascended being. war between gods, that game type does not fit in with handycapping people to allow others to catch up.

[Rukia]

isn't this abuseable? someone sells off their strike and builds a huge def/spy/assassin force. suddenly they get increased turn/dmu/planets and unfarmable, right? (kind of like the failed rank modifer in sgw main)

[Hammond]

its only increased AT as far as i know.

but yes you can just drop rank to gain AT. but if everyone sells there strike to drop rank the ranks will stay the same lol

[Lord_Core]

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All I hear from people that like this update is I want to be like them. Well stop being Jealous and do something about it. Play the damn game. If you want a chance to catch a top end player talk to Forum/Jason and have him change

FLEETS cost back

I can tell you at 40,666 fleets that the cost for 40,667 is 2.2bil while those that where past that mark only paid 550mil give or take. Meaning you have to put in an extra 1.6bil DMU that those 2 maybe 3 players didnt have to put into it. In the long run YOU wont catch up.

The last two updates took the balance factor away, and just screwed up the whole game. The fact that the top players started playing ascension sense it 1st came out and I mean played it as a real game. Instead of just screwing off till it suited them to play again because they was worried about losing thier main account bonus.

Anyone who thinks that the fleets cost update and this update is fair get off your soap box and instead of asking for freebie hand outs earn your status, because right now I have little to no respect for you. The game was balanced till those updates. You had EVERY right to ascend the way that I did you choose to get your living god +1 to +5 accounts and not play the game. Now I have to pay because you didnt take ascension seriouslly till you could end up losing your main account bonus. Maybe you should grow up and stop the sin that you are showing of jealousy.

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Frackin babies!
Grow up, and stop asking for welfair.

If you want to give a bonus so people can catch up then why not offer a DMU bonus or Life force bonus based on rank? Instead of giving people instant ways of destroying my years of hard work.

Once again Forum you made an enchancment with out thinking, good job.

I dont even know why I'm respawnding to this, its not like we will see another post from Forum/Jason. What is done is done and it wont change.

Later

Update: Just found out that fleets cost have been changed back so that is on fix that lets lesser people catch up.

[Hensenshi]

TUT TUT TUT

a bit of a boo boo there forum

i think you need to rethink this one.


as with others i am high ranked in ascention top 10-15 and i have been saying for a while that the game would benifit as a whole if the AT rate was increased but to make it so it only increases for the low ranked is a bit of a waist of time.

my main account was decimated after my last ascention and now i need to do it again to keep up.
but that is the whole point, it takes hard work and sacrifice to make ascention work. if players are not willing to do what the rest have done they do not deserve any help at all.

i too will be hanging up my coat if this update goes ahead. and that is not a threat its just the way i feel about the direction the game is going. the ascention server was all about the superior ascended being. war between gods, that game type does not fit in with handycapping people to allow others to catch up.

Jesus, is that a civilized post from Hammy? I thought that didn't happen?

[Tyicius]

I say we put this update through a "trail run" and see how does. I read this entire thread and i've seen a lot of good points... However, I'm ranked in the lower 100's so I know how everyone is feeling with the loss(as in reduction) of AT.

My one question: In 48 turns(rounds) how many AT will:
Rank 1 receive?
Rank 100 receive ?
Rank 1000 receive?

Once I have the answer to these question, I will decide what I think of this update

[harakesh achnaton]

Ok,

So I look at my account (rank 600 or so) and nothing has changed the last 6 hours.
Conclusion: Nothing happens here anymore, so I might have a look every week or so....
In other words, just stop playing....
Well ok, that gives me more time to do other games....
I'll just wait until I am at rank 16000 and something happens again.

Rgrds,

H.A.

[Hammond]

well nothing has happened because the turn is frozen for everyone.

that is not the update

[Tyicius]

well nothing has happened because the turn is frozen for everyone.

that is not the update

Well then everyone needs to stop bashing it... You can bash the update when it is released and when you have some evidence to base your argument/bashing on.

Bottom line: Let's wait and see... He's going to release it either way

In fact, I risk offense on that front in this attempt, but will trial it regardless.

Notice the word "trial"

[Kronos the Mighty]

i dont like it

come on you can look at it from both points of view,

the new players are always gonna wail on about how they keep getting raided by the bigger players and think its unfair that they keep getting their accounts reset in the process, and undoubtbly this idea would help them out.

but if were talking about being fair how fair is it to penalise a player for investing time and in a lot of cases money for getting to where they are now.

yeah you might have ascended with the bare minimum to get your account to a medioka level, but if your not willing to give then why should you recieve anything in return, I for one (and there will be countless others) ascended with all my resorces going in to AP, and i got there again and agin with a lot of time and effort spend on rebuilding. you might complain that its unfair that members of the Cop are ruling the roost, but how quick would you be complaiing if the shoe was on someone elses foot.

this idea has the potential to ruin the game for a lot of people

[Kronos the Mighty]

well nothing has happened because the turn is frozen for everyone.

that is not the update

Well then everyone needs to stop bashing it... You can bash the update when it is released and when you have some evidence to base your argument/bashing on.

Bottom line: Let's wait and see... He's going to release it either way

In fact, I risk offense on that front in this attempt, but will trial it regardless.

Notice the word "trial"

i was under the impression that the development server was there for that very reason?