To produce or to steal?

[Fear Of The Duck]

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[Fallout]

Raid, if u want to ascend then up is the most stupid thing u can do
if u dont want to ascend then raid and make big up

[R3B3L]

@ Fallout.

That depends on how your going to be playing Ascention. If you want to try and get the best ascended account, ascend with a massive UP, because it gives the most APP.

And shouldn't this be in the Newbie section?

[god of darkness]

Raid, if u want to ascend then up is the most stupid thing u can do
if u dont want to ascend then raid and make big up

UP is the reason why you need to ascend
i'm trying to get my UP up to 30-40k and then i will ascend with it.

it just depends if you like to play ascention.

[RobinInDaHood]

Personally, I think that boosting UP is the single most important thing to do before ascension. Grant, it costs you a lot of UU in the process but the boost to your ascension account would be worth it. If you're trying to do a minimal ascension, keeping your raw UP low is important.

I won't even consider my next ascension with less than 40K raw UP; 60K would be even better.

[Fear Of The Duck]

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[SVaRuN]

you should join the war on any side you want and you ll advance really fast

[R3B3L]

And shouldn't this be in the Newbie section?

i meant it as a general strategy related topic. not all not-ascended are newbies. (or everyone not-ascended is a newbie ??)

I'm not ascended either

[_BlackAsc_]

well basically whether you have time to raid or not doesnt matter as the extra UU from UP per day always help if you raid 1miluu per day that extra 40k or whatever still helps you know and if you dont have much time to raid then UP is even more important. and unless your doing it for ascended server it will eventually pay itself off.

[Borek]

You get more APP's for naq than for spending that naq on UP, added bonus being you then don't need to gut your account in UU and trained troops cost for the ascention.

I prefer a minimal UP, maximum spy and anti levels (still gives less APP than naq, but i can't hold that much naq, lol). Means i take 200k total off my army when ascending instead of the 2 mill+ a 40k+ raw UP would get. If i was that desperate for APP i would much rather buy my max in spy and anti levels, then fill my bank and let all that extra naq get converted into APP's rather than going nuts on a UP i will only be keeping for a month or so anyway. Means i can recover much faster as i'm not sweating over the 2 mill+ i lost off my army size, which is a lot for me

[god of darkness]

You get more APP's for naq than for spending that naq on UP, added bonus being you then don't need to gut your account in UU and trained troops cost for the ascention.

I prefer a minimal UP, maximum spy and anti levels (still gives less APP than naq, but i can't hold that much naq, lol). Means i take 200k total off my army when ascending instead of the 2 mill+ a 40k+ raw UP would get. If i was that desperate for APP i would much rather buy my max in spy and anti levels, then fill my bank and let all that extra naq get converted into APP's rather than going nuts on a UP i will only be keeping for a month or so anyway. Means i can recover much faster as i'm not sweating over the 2 mill+ i lost off my army size, which is a lot for me

wrong.
when you have like below 10k UP,then naq gives you more app.
but once you reach a certain UP,you get more app.
look,

UP------------app-------------NAQ equvalent (cost of buying the UP)
10.000 ----31.259,38 ----83.341.665.000,00
20.000 ----125.018,75 ----333.349.998.333,33
30.000 ----281.278,13 ----750.024.998.333,33

now listen,the 30k UP costs 750 bil naq.
this is how much app you get for 750bil naq =>

NAQ-------------------------------app
750.024.998.333,00 --------125.004,17


all you need to do is calculate it

[Borek]

Yes, then you have the cost of the trained troops and the large number of lost UU's to the ascention on top of that. Now if you have a huge army and can stand to loose 2 mill off your troop total each ascention (at least) go for the UP, but i would rather loose 200k troops and hold back a fat wad of naq to compensate for the APP's. if you have an alliance helping or powerful friends it's not too bad loosing 2+ mill off your army every ascention, but for me it's just not going to happen. I have an 8 mill army, 1/4 lost to ascention costs is not going to happen, especially when i can gain a lot of the lost APP's back by filling my bank and letting the naq go towards the ascention.

Bottom line is no one is EVER going to catch the top players in ascention, i could ascend 5 more times with a 1 mill UP and not even be able to touch the top 10. Certainly not going to gut my main account trying either I'd rather be an Ancient God in main with a smaller ascention account than spend an extra 2 years to make sure my ascention account was bigger, but still not powerful enough to hold off any of the top 10 should they get annoyed with me for some reason.

Besides, if i want power in ascention i'll trade for it. All those saved UU's from cheaper ascentions can be used to pay for planets and DMU in ascention. But hey, you play your way, i'll try mine, when we both get to Ancient God we can compare notes

[god of darkness]

Yes, then you have the cost of the trained troops and the large number of lost UU's to the ascention on top of that. Now if you have a huge army and can stand to loose 2 mill off your troop total each ascention (at least) go for the UP, but i would rather loose 200k troops and hold back a fat wad of naq to compensate for the APP's. if you have an alliance helping or powerful friends it's not too bad loosing 2+ mill off your army every ascention, but for me it's just not going to happen. I have an 8 mill army, 1/4 lost to ascention costs is not going to happen, especially when i can gain a lot of the lost APP's back by filling my bank and letting the naq go towards the ascention.

Bottom line is no one is EVER going to catch the top players in ascention, i could ascend 5 more times with a 1 mill UP and not even be able to touch the top 10. Certainly not going to gut my main account trying either I'd rather be an Ancient God in main with a smaller ascention account than spend an extra 2 years to make sure my ascention account was bigger, but still not powerful enough to hold off any of the top 10 should they get annoyed with me for some reason.

Besides, if i want power in ascention i'll trade for it. All those saved UU's from cheaper ascentions can be used to pay for planets and DMU in ascention. But hey, you play your way, i'll try mine, when we both get to Ancient God we can compare notes

well,it's your own choice.
but with decention online now,i would like to be powerfull in ascention.
i can tell you this,my army is below 200k planets in ascention.
and i decended a guy this week.
trust me,he regrets that he annoyed me in main.
he lost all his bonuses in main.he was LG+1 so he lost 30% of his income,stats,....

that's why i want to ascend with a big UP.if someone annoys me in main,and i'll find there id's in ascention,they will loose 30% in main to(i'm a good friend,but the worst enemie you can get in sgw)

[Borek]

Yup, i'm banking on several factors to help me.

1: I ascend faster and grow my army as i ascend. That means i get APP's faster, even if i get less than i would if i took the time to build a huge UP.

2: Time between ascentions is not so long as i am not having to worry about replacing 2 mill+ troops, i can start thinking about glory again only a few days after if i want.

3: Over the course of ascending to Ancient God (goal for me) i will have saved myself over 15 million losses to ascention costs. That's 15 mill extra earning me income, income i can use to buy planets and DMU in ascention.

4: Faster i get to Ancient God, the faster i can finally settle down to build a UP of vast proportions. Although who knows in the future, maybe the limit will raise to 15x ascended, lol.

[V|per]

But you're forgetting that if you have a higher UP, you also get more UU every day and you can cover those losses faster (or they can be covered by just raiding).