To produce or to steal?

[Borek]

But you're forgetting that if you have a higher UP, you also get more UU every day and you can cover those losses faster (or they can be covered by just raiding).

Yup, that's what i mean about it taking longer between ascentions. If you have a 30k+ raw UP you aren't going to want to jump into the 5 point glory zone and ascend 7 days later, lol, better to spend a month earning 1 per turn making up for the losses you will take.

The 200k i loose i can raid back with 2-3k turns easily, after that it's all growing my army and i can still ascend as fast as i can get the glory. Once i make it to Ancient God i can get a stupidly high UP knowing it won't be reset, lol, until then i'll be saving a lot of losses, which a greater UP would cover most of admittedly, but only if i spend the time after i get to my UP goal letting them build up.

Also worth noting that i can build UP via planets which doesn't get reset, doesn't affect APP's/Ascention costs

[V|per]

Yeah, but it's all bout the APPs.

Anyways, if you wanna have a better ascended acc., have a high UP and vice versa.

[Balhaar]

i read the first few posts and couldnt be bothered anymore so am just gonna post what i think about the whole 'dont raise your UP if your gonna ascend' issue.

alls i got to say is 'why the hell not?' yes you will loose more, but its only relative as to what your UP is, as ascensions require a set amount of of your UU in days each time.. e.g one ascension may cost 25* your UP for your first ascension..that just means wait 25 days and you are covered. plus if you take extra time you build an army quicker.


at least thats how it used to work, if forum has changed it and i just seem like a aving lunatic then just pretend this post isnt here

[Thufir_Hawat]

UGH....

Latter ascensions take 90*your UP.

You all are mixing up stuff.

APP are based on more than just UP

Meet the UP minimum FIRST!!!

If you want more APP and to totally sacrafice your Main account then test spend some Naq on UP, MS etc... and find where your APP goes up. There will be quickly points where spending Naq will give you less APPs.

A super high UP does not help your APP more than the Naq that would be spent on it.

If you ascend with as many trained and untrained units as a high UP would require than they would add to you APPs the same regardless of your UP.

There are always trade offs. I personally belive, haveing a Main account that can recover the Asecnison to add to your APP next stage is more important now days then trying to max your APP first stage. Please remember those at the top of acension had huge accounts to begin with and have been playing it from the start. Your best to get started in ascenison and be active there to grow that account fast and keep your main account to get into Ascenion again in 20days.

[<name modded>]

This would be much more readable if people just posted produce or steal

[Balhaar]

i will produce a strike action and steal from anyone who makes this thread readbale.

[Hensenshi]

UGH....

Latter ascensions take 90*your UP.

You all are mixing up stuff.

APP are based on more than just UP

Meet the UP minimum FIRST!!!

If you want more APP and to totally sacrafice your Main account then test spend some Naq on UP, MS etc... and find where your APP goes up. There will be quickly points where spending Naq will give you less APPs.

A super high UP does not help your APP more than the Naq that would be spent on it.

If you ascend with as many trained and untrained units as a high UP would require than they would add to you APPs the same regardless of your UP.

There are always trade offs. I personally belive, haveing a Main account that can recover the Asecnison to add to your APP next stage is more important now days then trying to max your APP first stage. Please remember those at the top of acension had huge accounts to begin with and have been playing it from the start. Your best to get started in ascenison and be active there to grow that account fast and keep your main account to get into Ascenion again in 20days.

Did your mother drop you on your head, or were you just born ignorant? The entire CoP has been saying over and over and over and over and over and over and over again how to ascend, what to do to get good ascensions, yet no one listens, then complains about how the CoP has a monopoly on ascended. Take it from those of us who are kicking arse in main and ascended. UP is the way to go.

To get 1mill APP with just naq, you have to have 5 trill to ascend with. To get that with UP, you need a 55k UP which costs about 2.5trill. Do the subtraction yourself.

[Flavar]

and dont ignore the factor that you usually profit from the great up too.

even if you have to spend 1 month of ir in uu

[Borek]

Did your mother drop you on your head, or were you just born ignorant? The entire CoP has been saying over and over and over and over and over and over and over again how to ascend, what to do to get good ascensions, yet no one listens, then complains about how the CoP has a monopoly on ascended. Take it from those of us who are kicking arse in main and ascended. UP is the way to go.

To get 1mill APP with just naq, you have to have 5 trill to ascend with. To get that with UP, you need a 55k UP which costs about 2.5trill. Do the subtraction yourself.

Thing is you assume we are spending anywhere near that on rebuilding/ascending, not even close. I don't have trillions of naq, i don't have 50 mill miners. I could spend 3 months between each ascention getting a UP like that of course, but that's way too long to wait.

You also need to remember the difference between 3.5k UP and 55k UP for troop costs and Uu costs. It may cost half the naq to buy 55k UP compared to getting hte equiv in APP's from naq, but you then need over 3 million trained and untrained to sacrifice to ascending. I'd much rather grow my army size and ascend fast and have a weaker Ascended account. I'm banking on the fact i can get to ancient God then start pumping main resources into buying DMU and planets in ascention. If i'm having to get 55k UP and loose 3 mill off my army each ascention then by the time i can afford to buy planets and DMU in ascention then the top 10 are going ot be so much exponentially further ahead it's beyond a joke, lol.

You need to remember a few things:

1: Be realistic. I am not going to be replacing Sinister at the top of ascention, period.

2: Can i get my ascention account VERY hard to descend under my current policy of lower UP, big spy/anti levels and some naq thrown in each ascention? yes, that will do me just fine