Extortion - (demand goods for not massing) - right or wrong?

[killtacular]

In my christian views murder is murder, theft is theft whether 1 dollar or hundreds its still the same but to you I guess the dollar theft is ok grand theft is just not right. Thats whats wrong with people these days . So if the punishment is supposed to fit the crime as you would say different degrees just spam etl mailbox that should be his punishment. lol Your not seeing its still a game always is going to be here and there will be nothing you can do about it except have the forum put up poles to show how he cares for your account. If you wanted to take this to court how would there verdict be please tell me . oh Im sure lawyers would laugh in your face. But anyway Im sure you could probably get a guilty verdict if someone can get a million dollars because they didn't know that the coffee was hot at mickey D's Im sure this could go to the courts. Everyones out for a buc I mean naq

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

i dunno what to believe anymore since i started playing this game

[311 [TA]]

if a terrorist was going to take an airplane and crash it into the white house

and i killed him before he could do this and stopped him

that murder is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT

then me walking into a gas station robbing the clerk and killing him

those are both murders 1 man killing another

killing a cow for hamburger meat again different then killing some neibhors cat for sport

there are different degrees of everything in the world

be it murder, extortion, telling lies, anything different degrees

u cant give 1 case on any of those to stand for the others

there are cases that are acceptable of all and some that are borderline

but there are always examples that society in general deems worse then others

thats how our world works oh yeaAAH!

[Boooby]

My cooncern for it is what if a guy comes along, sees this game as a good ''investment'', buys an account, starts harrassing people and extorting them for resources, then sells the resources for $$. Trust me, theres alot of people out there for cash. It would ultimately destroy the game.

It also encourages people to ally themselves with other players who are strong, not because of friendships, but for protection. ''Its not what you know, its who you know'' kind of crap, what kind of game this would turn out? (or maybe it has already?)

sure its called stargateWARS the wargame, but it has that game part where that part encourages fun, not to make money or cause other players misery....or if that makes ur gameplay fun then whatever.

''Give me 7Million uus or you and your alliances will be constantly attacked and will not raise to the rankings ever again'' = Yeah pretty bad


The point is, it discourages new players to play if some big player extort them, to control how they play this game, it would not be enjoyable at all.


But like everyone said, it cannot be stopped.

[Forum]

a point of clarification:
i would never attempt to stop behavoir within the rules of the game.
I could never enforce 'no extorting' as a policy.
it would have to be coded in, where there was a 'defence' against it. somehow. Would there be ways around the 'defence' - likely. Would a 'defence' make it less profitable/easy/painless/etc to do so - yes.

The 'defences' mentioned on the 1st post -- runaway; shield; 'mine field' blowing up (causing damage to both); etc -- are not going to stop it. just make it more painful ...

are these proposed solutions fully thought out ? no. they are just concepts in the overall issue of extortion, for identifying an issue is easy - solving or proposing solutions not easy...

so really the post is dual-fold -- 1)is it an issue 2)if so, any ideas that would help reduce it, or limit the negative impact on the game, even if it is not '100% banned' or such

[killtacular]

My cooncern for it is what if a guy comes along, sees this game as a good ''investment'', buys an account, starts harrassing people and extorting them for resources, then sells the resources for $$. Trust me, theres alot of people out there for cash. It would ultimately destroy the game.

It also encourages people to ally themselves with other players who are strong, not because of friendships, but for protection. ''Its not what you know, its who you know'' kind of crap, what kind of game this would turn out? (or maybe it has already?)

sure its called stargateWARS the wargame, but it has that game part where that part encourages fun, not to make money or cause other players misery....or if that makes ur gameplay fun then whatever.

''Give me 7Million uus or you and your alliances will be constantly attacked and will not raise to the rankings ever again'' = Yeah pretty bad


The point is, it discourages new players to play if some big player extort them, to control how they play this game, it would not be enjoyable at all.


But like everyone said, it cannot be stopped.

Im in a war right now Im being sat on to no end hit every turn near abouts I have grown in army size over 1million uu I haven't bought uu with money. So please dont say you cant grow all u need is 1uu 1 weapon. Its about how long can u put up with being sat on some more than others. War isn't pretty it brings out the good and the bad you just choose to put ETL up on that pedastal and say YOUR A BAD MAN VERY BAD. Why dont you just wish him away to the corn field. Feel better? Nope you know why the next bad guy just got put up on that pedastal.

[Ston]

ive been massed soo often that i wished someone trying to extort me in advance before massing it -would have saved so many innocent soldiers lifes

[Nikko]

Extorsion is definitely not agreeable in my opinion, it can ruin the game for some. I do know a few people who quit the game because far larger players sat on them demanding ridiculous amounts of resources which they didn't have.

But I don't see a means by which this can be fixed so my guess is that this will just have to be tolerated..

[ogre9805]

personally i think extortion for anything from anyone is pathetic and should be policed

u would never of seen hitler try to say to churchill you pay me this and i wont attack you , it is totally unreasonable to ask for anyone`s resouces so u dont attack them ,

and for those of you that have done this ( and i`m not pointing fingers) you really need to re-evaluate you morals and principals ,

a quick look in a online dictonary gives u these definitions of extortion

1. an exorbitant charge
2. unjust exaction (as by the misuse of authority): "the extortion by dishonest officials of fees for performing their sworn duty"
3. the felonious act of extorting money (as by threats of violence)

the definitions that the dictonary brings up show exactly how low extorting goods really is time players grow up and play at being soldiers in a war instead of playing at being extortionists and robbers and very low bottom feeders indeed

edit* by me killtacular please try not to say that it is anyone in particular as it has become common place for these kind of acts to occur war is war at the end of the day and what we signed up for in the game extorting good however isnt , i too am being farmed but have still grown in size and have been hit by u a fair amount , this isnt an issue but it is an issue if u came to me and asked for goods to leave me alone ,

[geisha]

If at all it has to be fixed, I think a rank limit should do it. I agree that demanding goods from weaker players who couldn't defend themselves is wrong. But I don't see how it's wrong if it happens between equally strong players.

[keemik]

Lets draw a clear line. What is reparation and extortion? I think that some people confuse them...

If someone take your planet and then you take it back and ask/demand that one to pay for defenses - reparation and i think it's ok.

If someone ask you resources for no reasons and threaten to sit on your acc, if you don't pay some amount of naq or u - extortion and i think it's not ok.

[thorslittleworld]

I am posting before I read any of the previous posts, so I can post with clear intentions and without predejice

I voted no for the simple reason that I think it is wrong to force someone to pay a bribe or what ever you want to call it

Its ok if the big guns do it because there is little or no chance that they would have the same done to them

There is nothing to stop one alliance doing it against another, and so this poll would basically say

"you voted its ok, all feel free to threat anihalation"

where as some feel that morality stands in the way, say yes to this and most will be unsafe, including whole alliances

say yes to this and expect a hell of a lot of people being bullied

say yes to this and find more players leave

say yes to this and see loads of people posting about it

I say totaly wrong, this may be a war game but jesus dont let this go through we would end up with loads more inactive accounts


[edt]

make fun, laugh, say what you want, but know this, you could just about be giving the green light and opening the flood gates to a series of people giving out threats to people that have never had contact with them, and there would be nothing to stop maybe you, your officers, your friends your traders your alliance and worst still if your a lone wolf from getting threatend by someone or some group or alliance randomly demanding resources

[Lord_Zeus]

I don't think it's that bad, sometimes it even saves people resources, someone is gonna get massed for whatever reason, they ask if there is anything they can do and are told thay can pay x amount of naq/uu a small portion of what they'd lose (personally, I'd prefer to mass them, but to each his own)

I'd leave it down to the conscience of each person.

BUT if someone is extorting CASH ie, "pay me this through paypal or I will mass you" and there is solid proof of this, I'd say ban them.

All in all, the normal stuff is just a feature, one I find amusing and have made jokes about in the past.

I agree, its a part of the game... and personally I think it would be fun for a few people to go around role playing extorting everyone... when it is simply malicious behaviour however...

I've been extorted before... one made me laugh the other was just not cool (didnt pay the last one).... theres a place for it and theres not, if its in the right context fire away, if its just malicious... well generally its posted on the forums and people take care of it. Reparations are fine imo, IF they started the war, if you start it then demand reparations... lol, if its a bit mutual starting then its fine...

[Forum]

just a note - i am NOT proposing making this 'official' or adding the tactic to help files or anything -- i was made aware it is going on, and that some are finding it distasteful or 'un-fun' and unfair, so thus the post.
i am NOT suggesting this as an 'official feature' -- just asking "leave as is, or try to add some sort of option for dealing with it" ...

and the specifics where people complain are not the war end demands, etc --its the much larger player/group demanding resources simply to not destroy the said account...no other context aside from maybe a hit on the wrong person, etc that drew attention in the first place (or in some cases absolutely no interaction at all - just the demand for onetime/ongoing payment, or destruction).

...dont let this go through we would end up with loads more inactive accounts...

[Labraid]

The only real measures that I believe can truly effect a limiting of 'extortion' is to do away with in game trading. This is how... the only way for people to get naq, uus, and turns is via the in game market and in game black market. Attacking only allows players to gain naq and uu's at a limited rate, not on a scale that seems to be of concern to the coplaintents(Is that a word?) Without a mechanism to send various resources there would be no way for someone to extort resources from another player, at least not on a grand scale. Hence since a player cannot go along with the 'extortion', then the incentive to due such an act is removed as there is no way, other than attacking and raiding, to gain resources from another player in game. Getting rid of the give naq, uu, and turns buttons and other mechanisms that might allow for players to send resources between accounts is the simplest and easiest fix to eliminate 'extortion'.

*I do hope that is clear, I am extremely tired right now*

Thus we would have to debate is trading resources in game of greater value to the players or is the elimination of 'extortion'.