Extortion - (demand goods for not massing) - right or wrong?

[Hells__Angel]

when $$ is involved it becomes black mail.

ingame... sometimes i can understand, but when its done at random (and is not a joke) i think it needs to be cut.

[Blue Sun]

This is a game 1st of all and extortion is a part of that. But its being done on the new players and they don't want to play. Or its done to much on players and it doesn't make it enjoyable anymore. Mainly this is a war game and u have wars and maybe the victor goes the spoils but if your just going round asking for resources or massing that just being a bully.

[Brdavs]

By all means, extort away ladies. But whipe the word honor from your vocabulary. Why talk the talk if you clearly don`t walk the walk... Don`t be hypocrites on top of extortionists.

[Nigatsu_Aka]

Extortion is a frequent method used in RL to gain power, goods, etc. Even though sometimes works when the victim is faint harted, it mostly brings violence wich is responded with violence, resulting human casuaties. Therefore if you consider the human life priceless, the damage is greater than the winning. So, yes RL isn`t perfect at all, and shouldn`t be taken as a model.

So it happens in the game. It is indeed a war game, but this is not an excuse to act like in real life. It is a role play game and everyone can act like they want, but i ask you to think about this: why do you play the game?... most will answer to have fun... if you use extortion to gain power, than this means that you agree with extortion in RL, making you nothing else than a scumbag, a terrorist.

My vote was to stop this kind of behaviour. Not all the players know how to handle with this kind of characters and they should have a chance ingame to defend themselves.

[Narrator]

Personaly, I thknk a second non-reset server should be started.

One that allows NO resource transfer at all, but is otherwise mosttly identical to main.

But Ive allready posted my thoughts on this in the suggestions section (and had em locked)

i too have had a topic liek that locked. truthfully though, a new server that eliminates resource transfering is the only thing that can fix this. those players that condone extortion, and those who do not mind can stay on the original server, and those that are against it can start over on the new server.

[[BERSERKER]]

Personally i have no problems with this extortion thing as smaller players wouldnt have enough to have anythng extorted from them

[Come_Forth]

Personaly, I thknk a second non-reset server should be started.

One that allows NO resource transfer at all, but is otherwise mosttly identical to main.

But Ive allready posted my thoughts on this in the suggestions section (and had em locked)

i too have had a topic liek that locked. truthfully though, a new server that eliminates resource transfering is the only thing that can fix this. those players that condone extortion, and those who do not mind can stay on the original server, and those that are against it can start over on the new server.

Not really since the person could just leave out lots of uu to get raided or leave out lots of naq.

[Tok`ra]

Personaly, I thknk a second non-reset server should be started.

One that allows NO resource transfer at all, but is otherwise mosttly identical to main.

But Ive allready posted my thoughts on this in the suggestions section (and had em locked)

i too have had a topic liek that locked. truthfully though, a new server that eliminates resource transfering is the only thing that can fix this. those players that condone extortion, and those who do not mind can stay on the original server, and those that are against it can start over on the new server.

Not really since the person could just leave out lots of uu to get raided or leave out lots of naq.

Actualy, if I remember right, the idea I Posted included the lack of raiding.

[goldenh]

I don't mind "protection" (pay me X amount and i set you to peace forever).

But the extortion is bad, there is plenty that can be done to even larger sized players that they can't retaliate against or even hinder.

Still all the suggestions for how to resolve the issue strike me as worse than the sickness. Rank mods are easily circumvented, the personal shield is useless since there are SO MANY high ranked players in sgw, runaway is vac mode and is more useful to higher ranked players than lower, the explosive device won't help since it can be circumvented in the same way as the rank mod.

There's no way to penalize the person who does the massing since already often one person starts the massing, and someone else altogether (who is lower ranked) finishes it.

There's no way to give a bigger attack bonus to smaller players because there's no way to tell who is small (lifers are more common due to people trading miners for lifers, big id #s are often people making a new account who got boosted by their alliance mates, and rank #s are trivial to manipulate, even more so in sgw than in ascension). Plus any sort of super-attack or defense would become the default attack strategy.

[LBWMTE- D4rk S1de]

Personaly, I thknk a second non-reset server should be started.

One that allows NO resource transfer at all, but is otherwise mosttly identical to main.

But Ive allready posted my thoughts on this in the suggestions section (and had em locked)

i too have had a topic liek that locked. truthfully though, a new server that eliminates resource transfering is the only thing that can fix this. those players that condone extortion, and those who do not mind can stay on the original server, and those that are against it can start over on the new server.

Not really since the person could just leave out lots of uu to get raided or leave out lots of naq.

Actualy, if I remember right, the idea I Posted included the lack of raiding.

And abolish attacking?

[Grand Admiral Martin]

Personally i have no problems with this extortion thing as smaller players wouldnt have enough to have anythng extorted from them

define smaller? 10mil is smaller than 60mil. 10mil army has alot to lose

[evilhomer]

How about this, rank limiter, but with army size taken into account, thus keeping people with large armies from hiding low, eliminatingh the problem of having large players hide low. Now, before you flame me, I'm no programmer, so I cant tell you how to do it, it just seemed to make sense. Army size would not be a factor in your rank, but would keep you open to attack no matter your rank. Its a bit hard to stomach a 19mil army size being ranked in the low 9ks for any legit reason other than hiding there.

I guess what I'm proposing is a rank limiter, with exceptions for army size. The problem is finding what size you draw the line at. I'd say that anyone with a size over 1.5 million has sufficient strenght, and probably allies to back them up if someone demands and "offering" in return for non assault.


There, see, and I didnt even call anyone out or blame any one side. Thus, I win. I think.

[Come_Forth]

1. It is legal to mass or sab anyone ingame if you are able to.
2. Paying someone not to mass/sab you is probably going to be cheaper than actually being attacked.
3. It actually works out better for the smaller player if the big one was actually going to mass or sab.
4. If there was not extortion than the smaller player would lose more since the person would go ahead and mass or sab.

This sort of makes sense to me, but it does not really work if someone just pms everyone ingame with threats. It also would not work if the extorter just took the naq and then destroyed the person anyway.

[JediMasterX]

Not a big issue to me. I mass people who piss me off. If they want me to stop, I ask for 100k UU or the equivalent. I don't go around randomly doing this. Like tommorow I'm not going to sit hre and pick random people and demand resources from them or face being massed, no. Now the people who are outside of this war and keep hitting me or keep stealing my planets, yesI will mass them and won't stop until they pay me back for what they stole along with reparations of the resources I lost by massing them.

[Ishtar66]

sofar i see 122 saying it is a big problem. I dont see it as a problem. I dont see extrotion as honorable & i would never do it myself, but it is a part of the game.

If person A is trying to extort naq/uu/AT from person B, person B should come to the forums here & post about it & try get help from the community to deal with person A. Person By can even join a alliance/trianer alliance or become the officer of someone who can protect person B from person A(even if only for a limited time untill person A is total smashed).

Leave this problem for the community to deal with it.

What can be done is a seperate section here on the forum is created for extortion problems.