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Tok`ra wrote:The problem is that due to this war some people on BOTH sides are unable to pull their heads out of their backsides and look at a post in any other manner than 'ohh, enemy, bash, flame'


I am "in" the war and I haven't been bashing or flaming at all maybe a little spam here and there but nothing bad :wink:
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Angnoch wrote:
Tok`ra wrote:The problem is that due to this war some people on BOTH sides are unable to pull their heads out of their backsides and look at a post in any other manner than 'ohh, enemy, bash, flame'


I am "in" the war and I haven't been bashing or flaming at all maybe a little spam here and there but nothing bad :wink:



Reread what I said :wink:
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I know what you said but I was pointing out that I was nice :-D
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ah, gotcha.

Im not 100% sober :-D


Rarley am.
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Tok`ra wrote:ah, gotcha.

Im not 100% sober :-D


Rarley am.


:shock: rarely sober thats a fun time *thinks back* a good ol' parties
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S T I wrote: there are rules about picking on people speach/spelling for good reasons, there have been other players on here who have been very ill & been on meds as have othersfor other reasons, so i think this is even worse.



Look close, rules about picking on someones speech and spelling....nope, didn't do that.

Evilhomer wrote: as stated before, if ETL is on pain meds, (which DO impair your ability to function properly) then as I said, perhaps he should refrain from posting until such time as he is no longer on them.


Yep, said that one though.

Evilhomer wrote:So sue me

Figure of speech, some things dont translate, even just across the pond.

I'm starting to wonder if sarcasm is one of those things.
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Thanks ETL for that link. I have been wondering a good bit about the topic for a long time now, and now it has been answered. I wanted to know if any cheating had gone on, and from Forums own words, none was done. He even classified it as a tactic.

I apologize for making the accusation that you may have been lying about it. Of course it would be very appropriate of you to apologize to those two as well for calling them cheaters for the past 2 or whatever years, when coming from Forum's mouth himself, they are not.
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evilhomer wrote:
S T I wrote: there are rules about picking on people speach/spelling for good reasons, there have been other players on here who have been very ill & been on meds as have othersfor other reasons, so i think this is even worse.



Look close, rules about picking on someones speech and spelling....nope, didn't do that.

Evilhomer wrote: as stated before, if ETL is on pain meds, (which DO impair your ability to function properly) then as I said, perhaps he should refrain from posting until such time as he is no longer on them.


Yep, said that one though.

Evilhomer wrote:So sue me

Figure of speech, some things dont translate, even just across the pond.


I'm starting to wonder if sarcasm is one of those things.



do you even read what you say or what others are saying,

I was point out about the rules about spelling/speach as a example, i then went on to say what you did, which i said imo was worse, which others have agreed with,

this is not about the discussion you were having, which was quite good but the way you ended it, by your comments about ETL being on meds.

there was no reason to bring that up, or were you being sarcastic

This is a remark i would not expect there is such a word as decency

as for your last remark about sarcasm not translating across the pond, why ever not i ask a simple question why not answer it, sue me is sarcasm for what ?
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SSG EnterTheLion wrote:first of all crimson bought the naq..which he willingly gave up when I asked him to. So yes there's a HUGE difference.


*waits with baited breath for the second part of this one*

Oh here, let me do it for you:

SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Well its not fair, I didn't do it and I got no benefit from it. Forum should have let me know that this could be done and that there would be no repercussions from doing so, I would have gone nuts. If I don't benefit from it, its cheating.


Ok, so I paraphrased. Waaaa
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S T I wrote: your comments about ETL being on meds.
there was no reason to bring that up, or were you being sarcastic.


1. Yes, sarcastic.

2. there was no reason to bring that up...well, if it weren't for this:
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:This little pain free moment is now leaving me..so I'd better wrap up.
coupled with the fact that we are all aware that ETL has had surgery of some sort, would be where that is derived from. I've had knee and throat surgery, so I know how painful they can be, I also know just how strong the meds given are. Personally, I attempt no more than breathing regularly when on them, anything else results in slurred speech, bumping into walls, and strange confessions that you dont remember later. (much like vodka, only with an RX)

3. "So sue me"-- Oft used expression, sarcasm in itself. Example: One of my co-workers has a problem with a bumper sticker on my car. It has a picture of a B-52 bomber (top view) pointed up, inside a circle. It resembles a Peace symbol in design, and under the picture says "Peace, through superior firepower" He told me that my sticker was offensive and cold hearted. I really dont have the time or the inclination to listen to him make a big deal over such a small thing, my response "So Sue Me". Essentially I'm telling him I dont really give a rats arse.
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Hensenshi wrote:
311 [TA] wrote:and is it okay to just put *modded* when u want to say a bad word because you have been doing it alot lately?


Because he actually says the *modded* word and it just gets caught by the word filter. See the bold? :wink:

Penegal wrote:Another quick question. What evidence do you gain of people cheating and how do you get it?


Nebulator: accused of cheating, caught cheating, banned.
Koskesh: accused of cheating, caught cheating, punished
Stoney: accused of cheating, caught cheating, punished
J1mbo: accused of cheating, caught cheating, banned.
Timistar: accused of cheating, caught cheating, suspended
General Ben: accused of cheating, caught cheating, suspended

I'm sure there's many more, those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head. How do we get evidence? Observe. Cheaters are easily seen if you look.


You accuse us of claiming cheats in every war, but I don't remember anyone being accused of cheating during the AK war, or the Pheonix Alliance war or Bloody Sunday, or the FRA war.


aloha , can someone enlighten me ... when was i caught cheating ? please
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evilhomer wrote:
S T I wrote: your comments about ETL being on meds.
there was no reason to bring that up, or were you being sarcastic.


1. Yes, sarcastic.

2. there was no reason to bring that up...well, if it weren't for this:
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:This little pain free moment is now leaving me..so I'd better wrap up.
coupled with the fact that we are all aware that ETL has had surgery of some sort, would be where that is derived from. I've had knee and throat surgery, so I know how painful they can be, I also know just how strong the meds given are. Personally, I attempt no more than breathing regularly when on them, anything else results in slurred speech, bumping into walls, and strange confessions that you dont remember later. (much like vodka, only with an RX)

3. "So sue me"-- Oft used expression, sarcasm in itself. Example: One of my co-workers has a problem with a bumper sticker on my car. It has a picture of a B-52 bomber (top view) pointed up, inside a circle. It resembles a Peace symbol in design, and under the picture says "Peace, through superior firepower" He told me that my sticker was offensive and cold hearted. I really dont have the time or the inclination to listen to him make a big deal over such a small thing, my response "So Sue Me". Essentially I'm telling him I dont really give a rats arse.


There we have it folks in black & white, in his own words

1) There was a discusion taking place (yes it was quite a good one) but this person desides to sink to this level. by bringing up ETL being on meds.

evilhomer wrote:
S T I wrote: your comments about ETL being on meds.
there was no reason to bring that up, or were you being sarcastic.


1. Yes, sarcastic.
( so why be sarcastic ?) (when he makes out he is doing it for ETL's good)

2)2)he also admits he knows how they can effect people

coupled with the fact that we are all aware that ETL has had surgery of some sort, would be where that is derived from. I've had knee and throat surgery, so I know how painful they can be, I also know just how strong the meds given are. Personally, I attempt no more than breathing regularly when on them, anything else results in slurred speech, bumping into walls, and strange confessions that you dont remember later. (much like vodka, only with an RX)


3) & when i point out this was not right i get this responce

quote Evilhomer
Meh, so shame on me. I'm honest about things, so sue me.

so i ask what is this meant to mean.

his reply is "us over the pond would not understand" (oh but we do)

Quote Evilhomer

"So Sue Me". Essentially I'm telling him I dont really give a rats arse.


so you see we over the pond do understand what you mean, i just wanted you to say it so otheres could see what you were saying.

Its a pity you didn't follow examples of your fellow Alliance members & post in a cival manner, but I have noticed that even though i saw one of these people on at the same time they did not say about this comment, but did stop the discusion.

If some thing is wrong we all need to say no matter who is doing it, do not sit in silence

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only time i got suspended was for "bad" planet names which i had on for like 30min ... if that is labeled as cheating .... and you are comparing me to j1mbo who hacked into admins account.... henshesni rather do something smart then to badmouth us
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Honours and Awards

Thought I'd pop in to say hello - and saw this....

Well......

ETL - To talk about bringing some honour back into the game is extremely noble and would be welcomed - but is then kind of spoiled by the fact you mention 'privately expressed reservations' and 'messages you received' as part of the game - mentioning these, just lowers the tone of your post to nothing more than another war propoganda post. Then, when others degraded the thread, you seemed to start to lower yourself to their level.

Come on mate - you are better than that!!

This game (and forum) has lost its way in recent months (over a year if we're honest) - all elements of strategy were removed - other than who can raid the most and have the biggest gang, and all attempts to improve in-game situations failed because of a blind stubborness not to address the root cause!

Similarly the forum has gone from a place that used to be fun to come to and talk about game issues, to a place that is now fuelled by anger, contempt and hate, a breeding ground for posts filled with nothing but spam and pointless ramblings.

The truth of the situation is - it will not get any better unless YOU all make it better. The Mods can only do so much, and yes there are times when they make bad or rash decisions, but they are just like anyone else - not perfect!

Gamewise - I don't know - you have to look at why there is not much honour or respect left in-game - i.e. how the game has changed over time and how that changes peoples attitudes. There was certainly not this much animosity amongst its players when it was possible to lose everything in-game - but make it so that some parts are untouchable, then people start to get very upset when they do eventually begin to lose stuff - and a lot of that (but not all) is becasue of the fact that they (stupidly in my opinion) spend a lot of money on the game, or make a lot of money on the game and do not like to see their monetary income from the game affected. When you then try and modify teh game further to compensate for this, it leades to further problems - and so on......

These issues are nothing new - but the fact that they have been allowed to run and run, unchecked for the most part, for so long, means that any decision to correct them by the Game owner becomes harder and harder with each passing day.

The expression 'stuck in a rut springs to mind'.

Finally - it is somewhat low to be sarcastic regarding peoples health - which takes me back to the comments I made earlier and the fact that you can't expect to mention something in these forums and not get any negative/sarcastic comments (I even got a message saying 'I hope it really hurt her' when I posted about my daughter being hit by a car!!).

EDIT: I popped in to say hello - so I better say it....

"Hello" :-D

EDIT 2: To all the ETL bashers - No matter what you all think of ETL - I know him better than most (since he started the game in fact) and I can honestly say that he has done more for the game than most of you will ever know. I'm not saying that you should instantly respect him for that - but that you should realise that despite what his 'game persona' may be, the real person isn't a bad bloke.

So - if you want to bash him, please do it in a game context capacity - and not as part of a real life jibe.
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finally!!!

a sensible post from one of the true legends of the game, one both sides can respect

very good post wolf, please drop in and say high more often :-)
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