Different Solution for Ascended

[Maulwurf05]

Personally I am against a ascended reset - for the same reasons already mentioned by others. It'd simply be saying something like Congratulations on figuring out how to play this server properly but too many people just didn't or couldn't be bothered to sacrifice their main account and are now disappointed they can't keep up to those who did put some thought into this game and planned several month ahead to get where they are now.

And no, I'm not CoP and neither do I have any affiliations with them, nor are both my accounts all that good. I just happen to play my main account in a way that also benefits my ascended account in the best way I can manage with the time I'm able to sacrifice for this game.

Besides, reset the ascended server and make everyone ascend again in order to get good accounts - who do you think will have the resources to do it best??

Then again, I don't have a new solution for the power gap in ascension BUT of all I've read on this topic so far I think the ability to use ascension resources to boost your main account is a good starting point. IF it would be really costly to do this - even if it means only the top 2 or top 10 or whatever accounts would benefit from it (or do it in a 'the more you put in it the more you get out of it' kind of way). Even make the benefits temporary so you'll need to continously pump resources into it to keep them (again, it has been suggested before but I think it has the most value so far).

[Ston]

im a lil fed up with this discussions, we are having 2 lobbies -the acitve ones and the "i ascended only to get the bonus in main"- that makes it impossible to find a resonable solution here and admin can not make an "neutral desicion" either.

so how about:

we are closing the asc server and this subforum, everyone gets his bonus for free in main and all resources (mainly NAQ and UU) that have been above the min requirements will be sent back to the linked main accounts via broker.

ascension is/was just a waste of time, main resources and server bandwidth... i think we can all agree on that one (at least the active ones).

[Lord_Zeus]

im a lil fed up with this discussions, we are having 2 lobbies -the acitve ones and the "i ascended only to get the bonus in main"- that makes it impossible to find a resonable solution here and admin can not make an "neutral desicion" either.

so how about:

we are closing the asc server and this subforum, everyone gets his bonus for free in main and all resources (mainly NAQ and UU) that have been above the min requirements will be sent back to the linked main accounts via broker.

ascension is/was just a waste of time, main resources and server bandwidth... i think we can all agree on that one (at least the active ones).

Well... what if the ascended server was reset, and app that people ascended with... have a choice for people to either send the resources back to the main server or keep them for ascension... and with this proper descension brought in and made a little harder? Along with this a small temporary bonus given to the main server depending on your final rank. 30% - 1, 25% 2-10 11-50 - 20% 51-200 15% 201-500 10% 501 - 1000 5%? something along these lines?...

Do you think this would eventually result in the same rankings... and if so do you think the game would be as unbalanced as it is after a while....

What if mabye the server was reset yearly and only half the resources spent for ascension when reset either converted to the new wave or converted into main resources? (the person's given a choice)... along with this the year bonus to give you incentive to play other than simply to avoid descension...?

Just throwing ideas out there

[Ston]

honestly, i cant believe why you guys are talking about resetting ascensions server because some guys realised they have been to lazy/inactive in the past 1-2 years and wont be able to catch up now...
Just because some guys are unhappy with their power/rankings ??

in that case we could reset main server as well, and looking at the community we must reset it every 2 weeks.

[Raven]

honestly, i cant believe why you guys are talking about resetting ascensions server because some guys realised they have been to lazy/inactive in the past 1-2 years and wont be able to catch up now...
Just because some guys are unhappy with their power/rankings ??

in that case we could reset main server as well, and looking at the community we must reset it every 2 weeks.

You should really stop calling people lazy ........for Mojo nad Sinister your lazy too i wonder what happens if DD ever wars with Omega i bet my account that you change your 'opinion' on this thing.
Its not lazyness its just the imbalance of the ascended server if i would do 4more ascensions biggers then anyone has ever done it wouldnt do **Filtered** for me im still weak there SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT??

[Hells__Angel]

Where did all this talk of reseting or closing ascention come from... it wont happen.

[Lord_Zeus]

Hmm... Ok, ston I see what your saying, however... the Rules have been changed with descension... people have been lazy because their was no need to put work into ascension... the rules have now changed.... however descension as it is is still a slap in the wrist... I mean... especially for a prior, 5%... I really don't care if I lose that lol, the tag annoys me but thats about all. What this resetting would do is.. give people a chance to do alright in the server, while still giving those who have put in for the server a huge advantage, and bonuses in main (if things along what I have said), if the server was to be reset it would also allow a heavier descension penalty to be bought in... because people Know what will happen to their account and can prevent it if their good enough.. but gives those people like you who have put into their ascended account a huge advantage and opportunity to really make people hurt in main (if you play it right)... thats the way I see it ,

I mean making ascended more influential in main just kills anyone who hasnt put work into it... kinda like saying "oh its right, you don't have to do the test" then failling them because of it (horrible example sorry) the way it is though... if well... ppl were given a chance there, but still a massive (probably insurmountable) advantage given to you there, you could increase the damage done to the main account through descension, but still give everyone a chance type thing ... kinda gives the ppl who want ascension to be more influential that while giving those who want a chance there that as well...

Hopefully this makes some sorta sense... was doing about 5 things while typeing lol

[Hells__Angel]

But they could have just put the effort in in the first place...

[Ston]

You should really stop calling people lazy ........for Mojo nad Sinister your lazy too

fyi:
you are right, i was lazy! i havent played ascension at all in the first ~8 months after i intially ascended, then last year june i made 4 re-ascensions in 1 month and actually started to use my turns and to say it right away, i havent raided much at all, all ive done was a lil farming here and there. Of course there are some persons are better then i am (actually a lot of em if u look at my skills & stats) but i wont cry about it on forum and demand a reset of the game! in the end it was my own fault -yes im old enough to recognise and admit that- and i dont think sinister, mujo, STI, ETL or whoever managed to get a nice account should NOT be punished for the efforts they made but shall be rewarded for their foresight and persistence.

i wonder what happens if DD ever wars with Omega i bet my account that you change your 'opinion' on this thing.

heh, you can already sent me your units! I dont suggest something because it would help myself but because its (imo) helping the server as a whole. You can bet your account i would give em a hell of a fight and trust me, if you played ascension a bit more you would know that the last updates screwed the whole game making it unbalanced.
At the moment its only "how much could i loose"-playing, there is nothing to win anyway.

if i would do 4more ascensions biggers then anyone has ever done it wouldnt do stuff for me im still weak

and you still havent understood the ascension system it seems. if you do 4 more big ascension, your personal stats will definately kick ash, and noone will be able to deascend you easily (they will take horrible losses if you do it the right way). also your account would grow a lot per day as well. BUT, you are missing the time factor. its simple maths: you need better stats then the current best and every day you will catch up a lil... now in our scenario, i agree, that might take some years but thats whats my point, its too late for guys like you and me and some just live with it trying to improve and some just crying for a reset...


P.s. If you want to have further discussions about that plz contact me via msn and wewill have a talk!

[High Empty]

Heres a suggestion

DO 3 300k raw UP ascension, and you'll be in the top 10, aslong as you don't piss anyone off.

[Raven]

Heres a suggestion

DO 3 300k raw UP ascension, and you'll be in the top 10, aslong as you don't <nani?> anyone off.

Look my lvls will be awesome but nothing more then that.

@ston:

same message as above and what about newer players when i started they were already to far to do anything....

[Lord_Zeus]

Yeah... there is the new players to consider.. the games already at least a year investment to get in the top 50 players in main.. >_<... and thats throwing your life into it.... What about the idea of providing substantial advantage if the ascended server was reset as well as bonuses to your main account for a year?.. would that be acceptable (as well as mabye the option to convert what you ascended with back into main res...?)

[q3utom]

A better long term solution would be to make the cost of ascending higher so you are forced to sacrifice more and gain more APP.

[Hells__Angel]

Heres a suggestion

DO 3 300k raw UP ascension, and you'll be in the top 10, aslong as you don't <nani?> anyone off.

Wanna sponsor me?

[Hensenshi]

Ascended will never be balanced because there is no trading. While it makes for real down to heart growth for those who have been around a long time, it means the youngers will never reach the top. Here's an example. Smooshable and I are always competing in ascended. In a comparison, he's got 3k more fleets than me(minor), about 8 charisma levels on me(minor), somewhere around 400million more production than me(minor) and I have a better production than he does. Now you might think that's nothing, but he's got about 100billion more influence than me. That's something. Well since he's barely got any more charisma, you can guess that all of his influence comes from planets. He's got almost double my planets. Our growth rate is pretty close together. Notice his massive planet advantage over me. It won't change any time soon either. No trading, or rather really no alternate way to get AT means that growth is hard pressed for the underlings. So yes, even if ascended was reset, then you'd still find the same people up top.

As proof, look at Quantum. Every 3 months it resets. Now look through the legends. Whos name do you notice over and over again? The core players, and the same players who are winning this wave. EtL, Zaphor, Crazy, Scartissue, High Empty. Do you think that's just coincidence? Here, look at alliances. What do you see? Omega, and DD have taken a top five spot in almost every wave. That's because people pass down the info of how to play right and how to take the top spots. It's not because the game likes the names. People at the top didn't get there by sitting back and relaxing. They got there by hard work.