Balancing ascension for those that want to catch up

[Shooting Star]

Yes the more powerful people in ascension will become more powerful in main. That is exactly the point. Given the fact that those of us who became powerful in ascended thought that we would be able to "protect" our main accounts under the watchful "aegis" of our ascended accounts, through descension and then it turned out to be not as we were promised, we need to get back some of the advantage we sacrificed in main for being screwed over in ascension. Descension proved to be a joke and a near impossibility and, what with damage caps and rank mods, the smaller players really don't have to fear the bigger players because, turn-wise, it isn't worth it to hit you people in ascension as most of you don't care about your ascension accounts. You just ascended for main bonuses. Now the fact that someone who quick ascended six times and sacrificed a total of maybe 50000 UU to ascend gets the same bonus that I get for sacrificing 50 million UU to ascend is unconscionable, considering the watering down that has occurred as far as the big players in ascension being able to affect the smaller players. If there were no rank mods, damage caps, or any other artificial hindrances in ascension, I would not be griping. But there are and it isn't fair and it isn't right. This will help close the gap in ascension and allow those of us who actually played the ascension server to reap some benefit out of it.

[The Four Horsemen]

Assuming that this: The Four Horsemen
The Apocalypse 2205 8,560(3,362) Planets Tolah 882,684 Dark Matter Units

Is you, then I make about 17 times more planets in one day than you have total planets.

Do you understand what I mean by a massive growth?

That just proves my point!!! That massive amount of planet and DMU income wont be effected by putting some into the main account and if it is effected then you must be putting sooo much into your main that this will create the new power gap in the main server which is a bigger problem than one in the ascended

[Hensenshi]

Assuming that this: The Four Horsemen
The Apocalypse 2205 8,560(3,362) Planets Tolah 882,684 Dark Matter Units

Is you, then I make about 17 times more planets in one day than you have total planets.

Do you understand what I mean by a massive growth?

That just proves my point!!! That massive amount of planet and DMU income wont be effected by putting some into the main account and if it is effected then you must be putting sooo much into your main that this will create the new power gap in the main server which is a bigger problem than one in the ascended

There is no way to make a power gap in main. You basically can't grow past 100mill army. So the resources that would be diverted to the main account would therefore, slow us down in ascended, closing the gap slightly.

[The Four Horsemen]

yes i know but you will be able to make back your army and your naq as soon as you loose it and you will basically be invulnerable. you also need to think about the non ascendeds do you think you will see one in the top pages in the main server after this is implemented? ummm no they will get their @**es kicked by all of the ascended that will bascically become invulnerable. This idea will ruin the main server for those newcomers and the weak ascendeds so i still say thumbs down.

[~Phoenix~]

Assuming that this: The Four Horsemen
The Apocalypse 2205 8,560(3,362) Planets Tolah 882,684 Dark Matter Units

Is you, then I make about 17 times more planets in one day than you have total planets.

Do you understand what I mean by a massive growth?

That just proves my point!!! That massive amount of planet and DMU income wont be effected by putting some into the main account and if it is effected then you must be putting sooo much into your main that this will create the new power gap in the main server which is a bigger problem than one in the ascended

Well thats not our fault everyone else should of built their ascended accounts up. Sheesh.

[Hensenshi]

yes i know but you will be able to make back your army and your naq as soon as you loose it and you will basically be invulnerable. you also need to think about the non ascendeds do you think you will see one in the top pages in the main server after this is implemented? ummm no they will get their @**es kicked by all of the ascended that will bascically become invulnerable. This idea will ruin the main server for those newcomers and the weak ascendeds so i still say thumbs down.

You make the exchange rate so horrid that normal level ascended players can't benifit from it. Besides, non ascended players can't make it anywhere in main anyway. Honestly, those who haven't ascended are at as serious disadvantage.

[~Phoenix~]

I want to point out to that guy alot of people whoa re good on ascended arent as good on main, look at profiteroles for example.

[Shooting Star]

Here is the way I see things now: those of you who quick ascended for the bonuses in main whilst the rest of us sacrificed some of our main accounts to boost our ascension accounts, now want to keep your advantage in main while the people who actually PLAY ascension get screwed. I understand that. But, Forum promised us a MUCH different descension than he delivered. He also implemented a HORRENDOUS rank modifier which basically means that I will never be able to affect anyone again because of my influence power (it's almost 3 trillion), which accounts for 50% of rank. Even if I were to sell my attack, I doubt I would drop out of the top 50. So basically I am sitting on one of the best ascension accounts in the game and it means.......EXACTLY SQUAT! Those of you who have done six quick ascensions and never touched the ascension server again have the same bonuses that I do in main, even though I probably gave up 1000x the resources that you did, if not more. And all because of a promise that went unkept (descension). He either has to fix descension (ie. make it possible) or he has to allow us to get some benefit in main from our ascension accounts in order to compensate for our ineffectiveness in protecting our main accounts with our ascension accounts currently.

[Lore]

Here is the way I see things now: those of you who quick ascended for the bonuses in main whilst the rest of us sacrificed some of our main accounts to boost our ascension accounts, now want to keep your advantage in main while the people who actually PLAY ascension get screwed. I understand that. But, Forum promised us a MUCH different descension than he delivered. He also implemented a HORRENDOUS rank modifier which basically means that I will never be able to affect anyone again because of my influence power (it's almost 3 trillion), which accounts for 50% of rank. Even if I were to sell my attack, I doubt I would drop out of the top 50. So basically I am sitting on one of the best ascension accounts in the game and it means.......EXACTLY SQUAT! Those of you who have done six quick ascensions and never touched the ascension server again have the same bonuses that I do in main, even though I probably gave up 1000x the resources that you did, if not more. And all because of a promise that went unkept (descension). He either has to fix descension (ie. make it possible) or he has to allow us to get some benefit in main from our ascension accounts in order to compensate for our ineffectiveness in protecting our main accounts with our ascension accounts currently.

I have to totally agree with this post 100%

[Hensenshi]

I want to point out to that guy alot of people whoa re good on ascended arent as good on main, look at profiteroles for example.

Profiterroles is a bit better than me in main, and only slightly better than me in ascended. Note that I've done 3 ascensions, he's done 8.

[Goretrek]

Maybe a good solution would be to base the rate / effect of the ascended blessings on main on the ascended accounts power rather than the number of times you have ascended?

Or go one step further and base the main bonuses on the power of your ascended realm and not on the number of ascensions you have done.

By doing this you would encourage people to actually play ascended with the thought of increasing their main bonuses and also when thinking of going for an ascension they may be more likely to go for a big ascension rather than a quick one thus lengthening the ascension process overall?

Totally different from Shooting star's original idea but I have to say using your ascended account / ascended resources to generate main resources is not something I would be happy with.

I understand your frustration and agree 100% something needs to be done but I do not think the original idea would be good for the game on either server (just my opinion)

[Lore]

Good idea Gore, I think coupleing this with the raid limits inplace now would be a good move for both the ascended server and main.

[Thufir_Hawat]

The real problem is DD is not playing ascended as it was meant to be played.

There is not suppose to be alliances in Ascended yet there are and even non alliance players being massed. So now you all still want to move resources from a account that you get 100 a day that many have gotten in 8months. We have not not tried to play ascended, since the begining there has been no chance. So dont continue posting that we do not try to work in ascended, I have logged on a few times a day upto the war there. And ascended yet will never be able to do well there, for once someone does they then get hammered by someone above.

[Shooting Star]

The real problem is DD is not playing ascended as it was meant to be played.

There is not suppose to be alliances in Ascended yet there are and even non alliance players being massed. So now you all still want to move resources from a account that you get 100 a day that many have gotten in 8months. We have not not tried to play ascended, since the begining there has been no chance. So dont continue posting that we do not try to work in ascended, I have logged on a few times a day upto the war there. And ascended yet will never be able to do well there, for once someone does they then get hammered by someone above.

Au contraire! We are PLAYING ascension the way it was meant to be played. It is you who are NOT playing ascension the way it was meant to be played. It took me nearly two years to do seven ascensions from main to ascended. It was only seven months ago since my ascension account became self-sufficient. Before that, anyone could have taken me down had they had the desire and wherewithal to do so. I can probably still be taken down by one or two accounts determined to do so. And folks, I am going to say this yet again: Ascension is a CHOICE. No one forced you to ascend. You had the choice, you made the decision to do crappy ascensions really quickly (six ascensions in less than a month) just so you could get the bonuses in main and the ascended weaponry. You did not have the patience to play main the way it was meant to be played and thus you lack the patience to play ascension the way it was meant to be played. If you read some of the initial posts about ascension, Forum actually intended people to ascend maybe once a year. Juan and others who cheated in main to get ultra powerful and then quick ascended to gain even more power triggered a massive run of quick ascenders. I was not one of them. And yes, I suffered for it on main and ascension for quite some time. I was raided, I was massed, I was attacked on a constant basis on main and ascension. But I had a plan and I stuck to it. I concentrated on UP, even when others were raiding and building up huge army sizes much more quickly. 60 million UU and trillions of Naquadah later and I have 200 million planets that I can't do a damn thing with. So if all I can get is an increase in the rate that my ascended blessing kicks in and an increase in the percentage of it, then that will do. But I need something to balance the one-trick ponies (read: chicken s**t cowards) in main now.

[Hells__Angel]

Of course you had a chance at the beggining, everyone started on level 1 and EVERYONE had the choice to ascend and MOST did it and MOST did not give ascention a chance.