Edit : There is No simple way out

[bamse]

If both sides decided on a specific date when the war would end, then we've all been fighting for nothing, basically just wasting resources.

Something has to come out of this war..

[LBWMTE- D4rk S1de]

The idea STI puts forward, I mean when I first saw it I laughed, your basically saying well, we're tired now, so can you just give up please, you don't make mention of chaanging anything, so basically, the COP gets what it wants, CIA surrenders and stops fighting and COP go back to building a reputation as an untouchable bully.

[Boooby]

^^ I have to agree ^^

[Bazsy]

I know what:) Split the server, and let CIA login to server #2... They can farm our ghost accounts for years and have their status quo...
Meanwhile on server #1 we can play without them complaining about everything we do;) Everyone would be happy:)

So?:)

Cause I don't **** think that anything else will be good for both sides ever...

[geisha]

i was talking to some one about the war & was told that all atempts to negotiate a end had failed, some people had drawn up great big agreements, but they just didn't work for everyone.

well why not try the simple way.

set a date for end of hostilities

set how long this will last
1 week 2 weeks 3 weks 4 weeks

set simple rules.

after this period, if there is farming by any alliance member (which will happen) this is to be sorted in the usual way, stop farming me( please is opitional) blah blah mass blah blah alliance blah blah etc. if not sorted alliances go to war etc end of war, sorted

will other alliances get involved i think not, if they do you go back to the status quo ( where you are now) so nothing is lost.

will omega do what they want, yes, but it will be alliance on alliance if it gets that far, so nothing lost.

will DDE do what they want yes, same as above

will DD, yep, as above

will everyone do what they want, yep

but it might work better now, so why not give it a try, its that simple, what is there to lose, you can only go back to where you are now

This is only an idea, no need to flame. it maybe stupid but stupid sometimes works

Nice idea... only problem is that both sides still want to win the war. If the war is just ended after a set time there will be no winner and no loser....

[Pungemo]

I know what:) Split the server, and let CIA login to server #2... They can farm our ghost accounts for years and have their status quo...
Meanwhile on server #1 we can play without them complaining about everything we do;) Everyone would be happy:)

So in other words the CoP would live in eternal peace, doing nothing but building stats. Meanwhile the CIA would actually be playing a game?

[Neimenljivi]

The idea STI puts forward, I mean when I first saw it I laughed, your basically saying well, we're tired now, so can you just give up please, you don't make mention of chaanging anything, so basically, the COP gets what it wants, CIA surrenders and stops fighting and COP go back to building a reputation as an untouchable bully.

I have to agree...

S T I, I know you're trying to find solution, but then this fight would all be for nothing, like bamse said, wasting reasources. I like how things are going now MUCH more than I liked it before the war. Here is what my goals here, in this war are and I'll not quit the war before those will be achived:

- STOP cross-server wars (Main and ascension are ok, but things that happen on quantum or chaos or middle earth wars or wherever must stay there unless both parties in war wish to have war on main aswell)

- Full military support between COP MUST be lowered to NAP or to nothing or that CoP disbands (one of these three options that would be achived would be ok for me)

- STOP random massings

- STOP "traning" wars on alliances that made nothing to you, if you feel you need traning, why not arange with alliance in CoP to have "traning" war?

- STOP massing for 1 attack on you or for 2

- STOP extorcting

- IF person asks you to stop farming him/her and u do not, s/he can mass you and you can mass him/her back but you may not involve your alliance and his/her alliance

- if you take someone's planet and s/he takes it back you may not mass him/her

- if someone takes your planet you can retake it but you may not mass that person

I know this is a lot but I won't rest till those goals are achived...we need to get definition for farming (how many attacks in X amount of time is considered as farming)

Sorry for long post

~N

[Juliette]

KGB sees more benefits in prolonging the war than we see in ending it.

[Cole]

I believe it's better indeed than when I sit in top 100 unable to farm people because my anticovert were to big to do so (around 500-600bil powers)

[Lajh]

no time setting, cop has to go, ie set to peace treaties and naps or disband. basta.

[S T I]

The idea STI puts forward, I mean when I first saw it I laughed, your basically saying well, we're tired now, so can you just give up please, you don't make mention of chaanging anything, so basically, the COP gets what it wants, CIA surrenders and stops fighting and COP go back to building a reputation as an untouchable bully.

at least it did something good, making you laugh,

BTH the Idea is you try it, to see if anything has changed,(its funny even when i am drunk, I see things others don't

Then if nothing has changed your back here.

Quote Geisha

Nice idea... only problem is that both sides still want to win the war. If the war is just ended after a set time there will be no winner and no loser....

Maybe so, but maybe niether side can, but if this was tried maybe there has been a winner already. maybe people attitudes have changed, no one will know untill you try...

Quote Bamse

If both sides decided on a specific date when the war would end, then we've all been fighting for nothing, basically just wasting resources.

Something has to come out of this war..

so what are you going to do carry on wasting resources, I think it was Blahh who said about other accounts building massivly, I have also said about it, well guys if you only opened you eyes, you will see while your fighting this war others are growing bigger than you & more powerful, so are you, if ever going to end the war. when you come out you maybe the future farms of new alliances

Quote Thufir_Hawat

Well STI does not know me well. I meant it as he had been dedicating himself to peace. I meant nothing twisted or insincere.

From every Poll I have taken in TFs forum, all those that responded like this status quo better than alternatives put forward to date. From what I have heard of other CIA alliances they all seem to feel the same.

We have all surrendered in the past and many disbanded. If others are unwilling to even agree to a ceasefire put forward by, the then leader of DD why should we agree to end hostilities?

Honestly STI, I like the Status Quo now, everyone I have spoken with in CIA like this, many in COP like this. Why should we stop for a minority in COP many of whom have already joined DUNE.

Don

Firstly, I was having a bit of fun, with the MS bit,

I read somewhere you said your 41, I mention this for a reason,

you have taken/seen pols saying people want to carry on, sorry these polls mean squat.

why, because you (& i mean both sides) have created a Asmosphere of fear, fear of being called a coward,Traitor & so on. many young players fear it more because of this very reason (being younger) they will come on here & say it but in most it is Bravado.

The older ones feel better show we are braver so say the same & so on, you see where i am going.

No one knows the truth anymore, who is saying how they feel really.

& yes there is ones who do want to carry on I know, b4 you start Flaming.

Quote Thufir_Hawat

Honestly STI, I like the Status Quo now, everyone I have spoken with in CIA like this, many in COP like this. Why should we stop for a minority in COP many of whom have already joined DUNE.

I can tell you this as a fact there would be a lot more in Dune if it was not for this fear of rejection/name calling veiled threat of not being able to go back to their alliance. I f you checked Dune member out you will find it is a mixture of CIA/COP members, yes there are some officers, but they were being hit aswell.

If anyone would like to help vet these players they are most welcome. I could really do with the help.


But to get to lighter note my head dosn't hurt so it was a very good night out & guys & girls this was only a idea, if it made you laugh great, if it made you think even better. people who think can make this game better. But once you start flaming no one listens.

Jeff (S T I)

[Neimenljivi]

About creating atmosphere of fear...I acctualy encourage all my members who don't have time for war due to RL to go in DUNE and have told them many times that it's better to go in DUNE and deal with RL than RL would suffer cause of war...

~N

[S T I]

About creating atmosphere of fear...I acctualy encourage all my members who don't have time for war due to RL to go in DUNE and have told them many times that it's better to go in DUNE and deal with RL than RL would suffer cause of war...

~N

yes m8 & this is the way it should be, you have opened a way for your members to talk to you,

but if they come on here & read all the coward/Traitor stuff how are they reacting, no ones knows for sure.

you have seen the posts yourself about what Dune members have been called. & when you think'know why some of these players are in Dune (because of R/L stuff it is totally uncalled for). IMO

[geisha]

Quote Geisha

Nice idea... only problem is that both sides still want to win the war. If the war is just ended after a set time there will be no winner and no loser....

Maybe so, but maybe niether side can, but if this was tried maybe there has been a winner already. maybe people attitudes have changed, no one will know untill you try...

And here exactly lies the problem... I'd like to think that many people's attitude actually has changed but as long as there are still some people stubborn enough, nothing will ever change...

[SVaRuN]

Jeff I will share my part...

The biggest problem is that CIA in general is done with giving ppl time to see what happens...
We had DD "peace talks" and that was one of the biggest sharades ever that I personaly saw...I have obliged that fom that moment on TL wont be seen as a sucker anymore...now things have to end when one side gives a 100% guarantee that they will....so basically if COP doesnt idk disbands...if omega doesnt change is policy.... if something that is basically a 100% proof happens...there is no end.
Sorry my friend, but I certanly wont give it a go for a week see that it hasnt changed and go back... not now anyway...perhaps after a week or so,....cause atm there are things happening behind the curtain that my just as well end or...direct this war to its end...

And in the end Jeff, TL is fighing because of policy omega had and was contradictory to ours...meanin omega having policy where practically one naq attack means massing = so basically starts a war, and TL having a policy that leaves you open handed on the naq attacks if you do not farm...those two policies CANNOT COEXIST and untill that is changed I am sorry to say but I really really cannot see an and to this...either we lose and subdue to their policy or we win and they change policy for us.
My personal opinion on the matter would be that it is actually funny how they wont change it...not because they think their policy is fair...and they fully back it up in their minds and hearts...but because..they are omega...and they say they have always won a war...and therefor they must win this one too
Meaning they reather have their entire alliance in ashes then to subdue "realising" it is their policy that is wrong...and that such things shouldnt existed...not if you wana have such a debacle you have ATM...

Not enforcing words to the omega....everything I have written about that..is purely my own opinion on the matter itself


Sorry Jeff but that is how I see it...thank you for your efforts to stop this...