Edit : There is No simple way out

[J.S.]

jeff how about this..

You and I are both neutral in this conflict.. So why don't you and i become referees for this little match.. And since we both have backgrounds in our former alliances, you being a former CoP alliance member and me being a former CIA member, I represent CoP and you represent CIA..

We will give a time frame starting tomorrow and give points for

10 points Most raided in a day
5 points Most stolen in a day
100 points 1 trillion naq stolen in a single attack
50 points Massing a defence to nothing over 100 billion
25 points Stealing a GOOD planet
10 points Massing a mothership
-5 points Bragging on the forums (-5 for each brag)
-25 points Spamming the forums (-25 for each piece of SPAM)
-100 points calling someone a cheat/complaining (-5 for each post)

etc etc etc


Then we set the condititions for the end of the war and no matter which side loses they have to accept so if CoP win they get what they want. If CIA win they get what they want...

A leader of each alliance posts what they want and and can not change it if they win.. And there is no backing out of it..



jeff I really like what your trying to do becuase the older members of both sides are bored as hell and want to quit the game..

Meanwhile the n00bs of the alliances are gaining in power and army size and they are the ones who want to keep this thing going..

It's the n00bs I tells ya, they're everywhere.. Be careful you might have a n00b in your midst.. its the n00bs that keep CoP -v- CIA war going!!

Tis a n00b conspirsary, they planned this whole thing

[Brdavs]

well guys if you only opened you eyes, you will see while your fighting this war others are growing bigger than you & more powerful, so are you, if ever Rolling Eyes going to end the war. when you come out you maybe the future farms of new alliances Laughing

That should only bother guys with unhealthy tendencies and selfish desires to remain at the summit of the game. To those under a heel it matters little whos boot it is anyway, don`t you think?
Out of all reasons to end this, this one (so "we" (and we know who we is) don`t loose our hold over the game) must be the worst one. Doesn`t look like attitudes changed much to me when reading this tbh. So not sence in trying peace to check it out lol.

I know I`m extatic about it. Catch up ppl, level the field! Why have it a 1-2 horse race? Groooow baby, groooow!

[~Odin~]

Now i am not in the war, this may not be my place but as i see it any one that is effect by the war should have a say....i have been effected i mean not enough to go crying to a admin or anything lol but if this war had not of gone this long i would be ascended by now. Every now and then i will log on and notice that 2-4bil has been stolen....fair enough thats cool but when it happens over and over and over it gets to ya lol im not like STI or High empty or robe i am not massive i need all i can get....i have only been playing for 6-8 months.....i think all the alliance leaders need to sit down and really speak about whats best for there other alliance members and the guy that just started a account maybe a few days ago...if he doesn't get a chance then he will give up....then others will....and it wont stop....i mean a war for a good reason should go on, but as i see it every war can have a peaceful end. bash me if you want but thats my 2cents.

thank you for reading
Big Daddy

[S T I]

jeff how about this..

You and I are both neutral in this conflict.. So why don't you and i become referees for this little match.. And since we both have backgrounds in our former alliances, you being a former CoP alliance member and me being a former CIA member, I represent CoP and you represent CIA..

We will give a time frame starting tomorrow and give points for

10 points Most raided in a day
5 points Most stolen in a day
100 points 1 trillion naq stolen in a single attack
50 points Massing a defence to nothing over 100 billion
25 points Stealing a GOOD planet
10 points Massing a mothership
-5 points Bragging on the forums (-5 for each brag)
-25 points Spamming the forums (-25 for each piece of SPAM)
-100 points calling someone a cheat/complaining (-5 for each post)

etc etc etc


Then we set the condititions for the end of the war and no matter which side loses they have to accept so if CoP win they get what they want. If CIA win they get what they want...

A leader of each alliance posts what they want and and can not change it if they win.. And there is no backing out of it..



jeff I really like what your trying to do becuase the older members of both sides are bored as hell and want to quit the game..

Meanwhile the n00bs of the alliances are gaining in power and army size and they are the ones who want to keep this thing going..

It's the n00bs I tells ya, they're everywhere.. Be careful you might have a n00b in your midst.. its the n00bs that keep CoP -v- CIA war going!!

Tis a n00b conspirsary, they planned this whole thing

Brilliant Idea

we could even make some $ out of this

we could open a book on who does the best hit in each cat

we could even award each day for a act that stands out

[q3utom]

so what are you going to do carry on wasting resources, I think it was Blahh who said about other accounts building massivly, I have also said about it, well guys if you only opened you eyes, you will see while your fighting this war others are growing bigger than you & more powerful, so are you, if ever Rolling Eyes going to end the war. when you come out you maybe the future farms of new alliances Laughing

Maybe this is a good thing in the long run for the community. We will get other people being able to take part rather than the same old people.

[S T I]

well guys if you only opened you eyes, you will see while your fighting this war others are growing bigger than you & more powerful, so are you, if ever Rolling Eyes going to end the war. when you come out you maybe the future farms of new alliances Laughing

That should only bother guys with unhealthy tendencies and selfish desires to remain at the summit of the game. To those under a heel it matters little whos boot it is anyway, don`t you think?
Out of all reasons to end this, this one (so "we" (and we know who we is) don`t loose our hold over the game) must be the worst one. Doesn`t look like attitudes changed much to me when reading this tbh. So not sence in trying peace to check it out lol.

I know I`m extatic about it. Catch up ppl, level the field! Why have it a 1-2 horse race? Groooow baby, groooow!

I will apologize now, if i am reading this wrong.

what you are saying in a competitive game people should not strive to reach the top & if they do there is something wrong with them & God forbid that they manage to stay there for some time.

so are you saying that if you are at the top you put everyone one under your heel, if not you should say it in a away that dosn't cover everyone.

Because of the people who have reached the top, most & i do say most of theM spend a lot of there time helping others.

now for the "we" bit

I will speak for myself (but i think I speak for a lot of top players), we need Compertion, so it is not in our interests to keep people down,

yes there are people that will think like this & try to do it, but the true players will always look to be testing themselves. If it is easy, wheres the challange & whats the point of playing.

& i will apologize again, if i read it totally wrong.

[Brdavs]

well guys if you only opened you eyes, you will see while your fighting this war others are growing bigger than you & more powerful, so are you, if ever Rolling Eyes going to end the war. when you come out you maybe the future farms of new alliances Laughing

That should only bother guys with unhealthy tendencies and selfish desires to remain at the summit of the game. To those under a heel it matters little whos boot it is anyway, don`t you think?
Out of all reasons to end this, this one (so "we" (and we know who we is) don`t loose our hold over the game) must be the worst one. Doesn`t look like attitudes changed much to me when reading this tbh. So not sence in trying peace to check it out lol.

I know I`m extatic about it. Catch up ppl, level the field! Why have it a 1-2 horse race? Groooow baby, groooow!

I will apologize now, if i am reading this wrong.

what you are saying in a competitive game people should not strive to reach the top & if they do there is something wrong with them & God forbid that they manage to stay there for some time.

so are you saying that if you are at the top you put everyone one under your heel, if not you should say it in a away that dosn't cover everyone.

Because of the people who have reached the top, most & i do say most of theM spend a lot of there time helping others.

now for the "we" bit

I will speak for myself (but i think I speak for a lot of top players), we need Compertion, so it is not in our interests to keep people down,

yes there are people that will think like this & try to do it, but the true players will always look to be testing themselves. If it is easy, wheres the challange & whats the point of playing.

& i will apologize again, if i read it totally wrong.

No, not at all. It`s only normal for ppl to strive to be the best. You do it with hard work and dedication, you deserve it. But you deserve it as long as you can preserve it. With hard work and dedication.

Then you speak of competition (and I thank you for it). Yet 75% of "the best" (lets call them cop) are allied and to the remaining 20% (lets call them cia) you are now serving an argument that the war is silly because others will catch up and we should have peace for the sake of it, to prevent it. I now appologise if I`m misreading this, but that sounds like fear/trying to stomp out competition. One of those "if you can`t beat them have them join you or find an outside "threat" to unite you" type of things. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

So I suggested that only a group in power with fear of loosing that power would field an argument like that in an attemp to preserve their status. Only logical for them to do it but tbh only logical for majority out of that group to not to be too eager to "chip in" with the said "preservation scheme"... Why should say let`s say TSA stop figthing cos apparently let`s say TO is having a blast catching up with let`s say Omega at the summit? (don`t get hangup on this now, just a practicall example)...

Surely you contradict yourself when you say you welcome and savour competition yet you serve new alliances and players rising up while we duke it out as a reason to stop the war...

[Neimenljivi]

-5 points Bragging on the forums (-5 for each brag)
-25 points Spamming the forums (-25 for each piece of SPAM)
-100 points calling someone a cheat/complaining (-5 for each post)

I'm realy glad CoP has Tok'ra...CoP would go down for 10 000 points EVERY day

~N

[Hells__Angel]

-5 points Bragging on the forums (-5 for each brag)
-25 points Spamming the forums (-25 for each piece of SPAM)
-100 points calling someone a cheat/complaining (-5 for each post)

I'm realy glad CoP has Tok'ra...CoP would go down for 10 000 points EVERY day

~N

More, way more.

[High Empty]

Jaime I say no to your rules.

For godsake we have torka, that's not a fair scoring system then!

Now as for people growing.

I'm of 2 points of view, first i normally help out with it, as i see if they are willing to put in the work then i'm 'for it, and as such i'll give out loans and things. Further, the larger they get the more interesting life gets, however i am reminded that all player can grow very quickly upto 50mil and that between 50-75mil it slows down a bit. Finally after 75M is slows down even further. When it comes down to it, really down to it,the limits has created a field of battle where no one can get the upperhand.

Really thinking about it, i'm' not too worried about anyone on the outside of this conflict for one main reason, they lack the balls.

Now as for ending it, well i guess something could be arranged if nothing else then a 1 month off would allow for a bit of destuction, and well there got to be some good could come off it.

However i know it won't happen, so instead what we do is wait, were all just waiting wonder what will happen. Will the game forum, do something, change the gameplay? will we all just lose interest in having a defence, not caring if we get farmed or massed, just loging in to farm and raid? From there will we just log in less often, till we just don't log in anymore? Is that what the goals are here? Well i'm just asking the questions that you are alll afraid of, or atleast "the answers" for those questions, therefore i call on the forum team, which are not majorly not playing the game, to come tell us what we can expect, keep us all informed.

For now we are all just playing that wait and see game, with baited breath.

[mclarenf1]

Finally a tread that has a minimal amount of crap been added to it. This topic actually has some good ideas been brought up. The reason the war is not going to end is that people are WAY TO SERIOUS about this game and need to start having fun again.

This war was amazing fun when it began as I remember massing Nuto Vixen and getting a funny message back which, this is how to game needs to be played for fun and not money.

Self Interest has taken over on the server and on the forums, this is on both sides of the game with a lot of players here just to make a quick buck. People no longer play for fun but for revenge and for money.

There is swearing at each other with name calling complaining, flamming and a lot of other crap that should never be seen in this game. I have however come to respect a number of players that seem to have their heads screwed on and The Legion has a number of players that I have grown to respect for their mature comments.

This CIA-COP war is now a war of attrition where it will be one by the alliance that has the most people left at the end of it. There have been a lot of players leave the war and the game.

The other thing is from my knowledge most of the people that caused a lot of the problems and the ones that abused the server the most have now left the game for good.

It is time that civility and gamesmanship was brought back to the server . Also that points scoring Tokra would need to be banned again for it to be fair

[S T I]

No, not at all. It`s only normal for ppl to strive to be the best. You do it with hard work and dedication, you deserve it. But you deserve it as long as you can preserve it. With hard work and dedication.

Then you speak of competition (and I thank you for it). Yet 75% of "the best" (lets call them cop) are allied and to the remaining 20% (lets call them cia) you are now serving an argument that the war is silly because others will catch up and we should have peace for the sake of it, to prevent it. I now appologise if I`m misreading this, but that sounds like fear/trying to stomp out competition. One of those "if you can`t beat them have them join you or find an outside "threat" to unite you" type of things. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

So I suggested that only a group in power with fear of loosing that power would field an argument like that in an attemp to preserve their status. Only logical for them to do it but tbh only logical for majority out of that group to not to be too eager to "chip in" with the said "preservation scheme"... Why should say let`s say TSA stop figthing cos apparently let`s say TO is having a blast catching up with let`s say Omega at the summit? (don`t get hangup on this now, just a practicall example)...

Surely you contradict yourself when you say you welcome and savour competition yet you serve new alliances and players rising up while we duke it out as a reason to stop the war...

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No, not at all. It`s only normal for ppl to strive to be the best. You do it with hard work and dedication, you deserve it. But you deserve it as long as you can preserve it. With hard work and dedication.


but b4 you said people have some thing wrong with them if they do this, who is contradicting them selves. you can not have it both ways

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Then you speak of competition (and I thank you for it). Yet 75% of "the best" (lets call them cop) are allied and to the remaining 20% (lets call them cia) you are now serving an argument that the war is silly because others will catch up and we should have peace for the sake of it

This is not waht i said, what i have said that the goals of the war may have been reached & a side effect is that this has happened.

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I now appologise if I`m misreading this, but that sounds like fear/trying to stomp out competition. One of those "if you can`t beat them have them join you or find an outside "threat" to unite you" type of things. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

what is this meant to mean, if it is aimed at me, this just show how focused you are & i like i have tried to show people they are not seeing the whole picture. you look for something to put a negitive, becuase it works for your arguement.

In truth what i have been doing is to falicitate discussion & if anything i have weaked the COP by having Dune, but they have not complained, if they have players gone to Dune, they in most have just accepted it.

& what the hell am i getting out of this ( a load of crap & peole saying things like you just have), when it is not needed it will be dibanded.

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So I suggested that only a group in power with fear of loosing that power would field an argument like that in an attemp to preserve their status. Only logical for them to do it but tbh only logical for majority out of that group to not to be too eager to "chip in" with the said "preservation scheme"... Why should say let`s say TSA stop figthing cos apparently let`s say TO is having a blast catching up with let`s say Omega at the summit? (don`t get hangup on this now, just a practicall example)...

Surely you contradict yourself when you say you welcome and savour competition yet you serve new alliances and players rising up while we duke it out as a reason to stop the war...

Yet again, i have to point out that i am not representing either side, but you have yet again tried to turn it to things to look like it works for your argument. again this either comes down to you being focused or you are doing it on purpose, if you carry on the latter is the only option.

as for me contradicting myself, by you not reading or understanding what you are reading you yet again attempt to turn this into your favour in a disscusion.

I apoligised in my otheer post if i was misreading your post, by your next post i was not misrading, but you have not taken anything on board, but carried on, in a way that only suits you point of view, even if this means making things up/distorting the truth, etc.

Its pointless having a discussion unless you are willing to look at the other persons points , infact it is not a discussion at all

jeff (S T I)

in fact i have wasted my time going though your post as all can see.

[Lord_Zeus]

Alright sti, I'll be completely honest here, I'm getting fed up with the war, the forums are not friendly etc, having said this, without conditions limiting how... agressive alliances such omega and CoP as a whole are, its not even close to worth quitting the war. The game has previously been held in a stranglehold by cop.. tf had a policy saying 0 hits on omega, ever, this kind of policy demonstrates how one sided the attacking was previous to this war.

Until CoP is willing to make significant concessions in the area of one sided attacking, accepting reasonable farming etc (probably disband/reduce to nap's as well) the war must continue, otherwise it will just be the precursor to another war with CoP in the future, and none of our goals have been achieved, we will have basically "lost" the game.

I'm all for peace, but not under conditions that do not achieve the majority of the goals we set out to do.

Because the wars are unwinnable it creates this nasty situation of an eternal war.. I'd like to see some truly account destroying stuff come out, killing miners type stuff, only if you are hostile to that person though.. say declared war... and war auto declared after 5 attacks in a week type thing. (personal opinion)

STI ending the war as you suggest is ending it with none of our goals completed, thats unnacceptable to the majority of us I'm sorry.

[S T I]

There is no need to be sorry, i have achieved something, a thread without Flame (so far)

people talking, open, & this is what the forums are about.

so i am pleased.

I am off again now. ( so will not be posting much if any in the week)

Jeff (S T I)

[Brdavs]

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I`m sorry you feel you wasted your time. It`s really not that complicated. I limited myself to one argument of yours and not the whole point.

I comented on nothing but this:

well guys if you only opened you eyes, you will see while your fighting this war others are growing bigger than you & more powerful, so are you, if ever Rolling Eyes going to end the war. when you come out you maybe the future farms of new alliances Laughing

by saying that out of all reasons you put foward for ending this war most are valid yet this one I cannot agree with. Stoping the war simply to preserve the current proportions of power (so others won`t cathc up cos of our stagnating - as implied in the quote) does not seem a valid reason whatosoever to me. I can see where it`s coming from but sry I won`t buy that. Normal ppl don`t put issues on the freeze (and form a cartel if you will) because a third pirson in "profiting" from their dispute. They grind at the core of the issue even harder.

Now it`s up to you whether you accept my point of view as a valid critique of said argument and ommit it from your future iniciatives or not. I simply tried to point out that I believe it`s poor and flawed from several perspectives.

Whether or not the goals have been reached is a completley different matter and I didn`t and won`t go there. In no way was my intention to disrespect or fundamentally undermine your efforts.