Leaders of CIA

[Brdavs]

Which one is it, we`re all cowards cos we started kicking them while they were down or we screwed ourselves by stepping in and delaying their "last pwnage"?

Again I refer you to the 6 on 6 note.. Not the 6 on half the active server.. And when people claim NOT to be cowards and then are on vacation mode in Ascension becuase their precious stats might be taken away from them....

however I will say this.. those who joined in the war and didn't go on vacation mode in ascension.. At least you guys had the guts to stand up and fight... Not like someone who said to me earlier in this thread... "how can you call me a coward?".. jamie goes to find him ingame and low and behold there is a Living god of a dormant Ori.. Wow... he is so brave going onto vacation mode becuase his stats might get taken away from him..

So the argument of cowardice now boils down to being on vacation in ascended... Version 3. Resorting to ever new arguments to point out alleged cowardice of one side is indeed "very" neutral.
Plus, for a guy supposedly preaching about the lack of common sense in this situation you sure do shoot your argument in the foot by branding those using it cowards for doing so...

Oh, and constantly whining about the war raises interest and is therefore counterproductive heh...

Well at the start of the war I wanted it to end quickly as I saw how futile it would become.. Especially after seeing some of the naq sizes in the banks of CoP.. Whats the point in fighting someone who will be just as powerful the 30 minutes after the war finishes as soon as it began.. The sooner everyone else see's this they will understand what I am talking about..

Heck there are still CoP members selling naq for $$ to people.. If that doesn't prove how futile this war is nothing will..

Its one thing fighting for what you believe in.. its another fighting for the sake of fighting.. this whole war, is continuing just becuase now ye don't know what to do..




How does CIA propose an end to this war, knowing that they can never actually destroy CoP? That is the million dollar/10,000 trillion naq question...

*You* want it to end quickly and *you* see it as futile. Why is it so hard to accept and respect the fact that evidently those in CIA disagree and believe the fight not to be futile and choose to continue it?
And when did this game became all about justifying actions when before it was "a game and you didn`t really need a reason to do this and that"? If inabillity to completley vanquishe your foe ingame and prevent him from effectivly rebuilding is any reason to stop then the game itself has no sense and we should all pack our bags. If you stick in an unwinnable game lets say cos of friends, what`s different with sticking in a (only stats wise) unwinnable war for reasons like frendship, belief in your actions etc. etc.?

And we`re fighting for the sake of fighting? I believe CIA has allways known why it fights. You just believe that the goals cannot be reached and we begg to differ. You yourself stated that the majority of COP is bored. Yet they continue to fight. Why? You stated they plan/planed to disband! So what`s stoping them? Is this not a prime example of egos getting in the way and fighting for the sake of fighting you just choose to ignore? How funny that this even coincides with the way that CIA proposed to end this war... Otherwise it proposed not to ever end it, prefering it to the alternative. If what you stated is true the ball is in COPs court. If not, well then we still have our reason to fight, don we?

Honestly, I think you showed very well that the only way in wich you are neutral here is in the fact that you are a non-combatant.


Like I said, give things their due time in peace. Constantly going on about that the goal of one side cannot be reached and that the opposition has trillions of naq etc. etc. will hardly make ppl want to just walk away... More like♦ly it will strenghten their resolve just to prove you wrong hehe... Eventually a compromise will be hammered out. Onesided rants like yours are hardly contributing to a compromising favourable climate imho.

[Phoenix of Terra]

Brdavs, I just love that your in TSA

[Alabrax]

I was kicked from the EPAc senate because I advised them not to go to war with CoP and I had friends in Omega who "I would have told" they would be in war in 3 days..

I think disloyalty is a darn good reason to to kick you out.

In the old days of EPA, when Jase and brosan, viper, salvo, wolf where running it.. EPA would have been mobilised within a day of fighting and out on the front lines.. All this sneaking around BS would have been cut.. They had real guts.. The legion have real guts.. And I respect them for that..

I disagree. We joined late because that is when we were invited to join in. True however we did see this as an opportunity, because it was.

Why are you so bitter dude?

For someone that is not even fighting in the war... you sure do have a lot to run your mouth about.

[Alabrax]

Brdavs, I just love that your in TSA

So do I

[J.S.]

1. *You* want it to end quickly and *you* see it as futile. Why is it so hard to accept and respect the fact that evidently those in CIA disagree and believe the fight not to be futile and choose to continue it?

2. And we`re fighting for the sake of fighting?

3. I believe CIA has allways known why it fights.

4. You just believe that the goals cannot be reached and we begg to differ.

5. You yourself stated that the majority of COP is bored.

6. Yet they continue to fight. Why? You stated they plan/planed to disband! So what`s stoping them? Is this not a prime example of egos getting in the way and fighting for the sake of fighting you just choose to ignore?

7. How funny that this even coincides with the way that CIA proposed to end this war... Otherwise it proposed not to ever end it, prefering it to the alternative. If what you stated is true the ball is in COPs court. If not, well then we still have our reason to fight, don we?

8. Honestly, I think you showed very well that the only way in wich you are neutral here is in the fact that you are a non-combatant.

9. Like I said, give things their due time in peace. Constantly going on about that the goal of one side cannot be reached and that the opposition has trillions of naq etc. etc. will hardly make ppl want to just walk away... More like♦ly it will strenghten their resolve just to prove you wrong hehe... Eventually a compromise will be hammered out. Onesided rants like yours are hardly contributing to a compromising favourable climate imho.

1. Yes I wanted it to end nice and quickly as I did/still do want CoP to disband... I have always stood by that opinion...

2. Fighting for the sake of fighting becomes tiresome and therefore boring after awhile..

3. Why does CIA fight? To try and disband CoP.. You know better then I do what being in a team is like.. Like it or not they ARE the best team in the game.. I'm not saying this cos of what I think personally.. I am saying this becuase of where they are and what they did to get there... EVERY other alliance/team tries to emulate them..

4. What exactly are CIA's goals? Besides disbanding CoP? Maybe you want them to stop selling resources so you can do it yourself

5. Yep they are so bored that they have gone back to stat building.. One of them even has a 30 billion defence.. Thats just sloppy.. If it was me fighting that guy would have everything massed daily..

6. Again I refer back to the team work.. Everyone KNOWS what CoP are capable of as a team.. They are fighting you lot becuase they can and because you brought the fight to them.. Do you ever think that their actions random massings etc.. might have been caused due to boredom and them looking for a real challenge.. Pity it takes 3 times their numbers to actually give them that challenge.. I really would love to see how it would turn out 6 on 6..

7. You still don't get it.. CoP will ALWAYS fight anyone who brings it to them.. They will stick together.. The fact of the matter is if CIA ended this war today, taking whatever moral victory they have, and its done done, wouldn't that suffice? Yes I am contradicting/answering my own question myself here, but if CoP know that half the active server is ready to fight them in a heartbeat.. Isn't that enough for you?

8. Well to be honest CoP members who are friends have treated me nicer since I left the EPAc.. They still talk to me on a daily basis... The ONLY time most people from CIA alliances talk to me is to give out to me about something.. Everyone of my real mates in CoP talk to me on a daily basis... So what would you do? If your team who you spent the last year in ignored you? And the only people who treated you decently where their enemies? Remember I got kicked from the EPAc senate for saying that going to war would NOT be a good idea.. 3 months later and I am still saying that.. If you really want to know what I wanted, I wanted EPAc to be the ones to fight CoP.. Not like we did in december.. But as a proper alliance.. 6 alliances on 6.. Heck 2 months in charge of the hive and I made it a page one alliance.. Why becuase I employed the teamwork that is used in CoP.. I made sure the alliance was working as a team.. And guess what it worked.. That is what was missing from EPA.. It was FULL of no helpers and people only concerned with how it would effect their game.. In fact Pele was the one who always shot down my teamwork ideas.. Which I got from observing how they did it in Omega and DD.. (waits to be called a hypocrit) but shur look why do something that HAS been proven to work.. I tried with EPA, I really did.. But I felt there was no teamwork anymore.. If anything I am glad that this war is helping EPA with that..

9. Well I think the message has already been made clear.. CoP if ye form a super alliance again and start "terrorising" other alliances, we will get half the active server to hit you.. We can't just get 6 alliances to take you on..

I was kicked from the EPAc senate because I advised them not to go to war with CoP and I had friends in Omega who "I would have told" they would be in war in 3 days..

I think disloyalty is a darn good reason to to kick you out.

For the record I was NEVER disloyal to any alliance I was ever in.. In fact any information I felt that would put the alliance in jepodardy I always told them.. Just like how I told Dundee at the start of the war about CoP.. But hey.. What do I know whats best for an alliance.. The one I was in for a year kicked me as soon as I disagreed with the majority decision.. I was only trying to protect the honour of the EPA as being an alliance who will fight for their own reasons.. not for revenge on being pasted in december or being kicked out of the GA/CoP club... But shur look thats how people treat you.. You try to do what you think is in their best interests and they spit on you for it..

If anyone needs me I will be on my balcony with a cold beer in my hand..

[extremer]

**Filtered** and again **Filtered**, someone out of fight talking about fight...

I pitty you I really do, i had out most respect for you but this thread, kill me for this how can someone talk about cia or even cop when he's neither, join the fight and you'll see how it is on the battlefield, you may know how to talk, but you know nothing of fighting.

If you want to talk like that start fighting first, find me on msn and make a challenge.

regards,
ex

[J.S.]

chickens and again chickens, someone out of fight talking about fight...

I pitty you I really do, i had out most respect for you but this thread, kill me for this how can someone talk about cia or even cop when he's neither, join the fight and you'll see how it is on the battlefield, you may know how to talk, but you know nothing of fighting.

If you want to talk like that start fighting first, find me on msn and make a challenge.

regards,
ex

You think I know nothing about fighting becuase for the first time ever I didn't get involved in this fight.. Well you couldn't be more wrong..

I would rather fight my own battle then get involved in this mess..

I mean i have so many choices

CoP who I don't like
CIA who I don't like

CoP I don't like becuase of most of CIA's reasoning.. Bullying etc..

CIA I don't like becuase they treated me like **** since DAY ONE of the war..

CoP players still talk to me as friends

CIA players ignore me unless they want to give out

Who should I join..

[Raven]

Well CoP are known for taking players who dont like them and i dont think you can get into CIA anymore so that isnt so hard right?

[J.S.]

Well CoP are known for taking players who dont like them and i dont think you can get into CIA anymore so that isnt so hard right?

I'm not getting stuck into this mess... I will voice my opinions becuase I have a right to.. and becuase I can.. From my POV this is a futile war.. Neither side can win and as soon as CoP disbands it will be replaced by another super alliance..

I tried to get everyone to agree to agree to prevent super alliances from forming and I got shot down for it.. People saying they need CIA to take down CoP.. They need one big super alliance to take down the other..

This whole thing could have ended weeks ago.. It is the n00bs who are keeping it going and want it to continue as it is only helping their power increase!!

[Reaver]

What Jamie does not understand is that CIA has already won.

No we will could never get every member of COPs to leave their alliances surrendering but we have had the greatest impact in the last year on their membership ranks and I belive future policy.

So if you define winning as all of COPs surrendering and disbanding then no we can not win. If you define it as achieving a goal then I belive we have. Does COP still dominate the game? Will they unite again against a single alliance as they did against TL?

This is classic...Just a few weeks ago you all were claiming that you would not consider peace until CoP disbanded because those were your victory terms. Now here you are, a few weeks later admitting that your original victory terms are impossible to gain. So instead of admitting that you haven't achieved what you wanted, you change your criteria.

Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that. But then to start the post out with, "The CIA has already won" is just hilarious. The best you can claim is a draw that has allowed you to make some points and possibly bring about some change. But considering how adamantly the CIA has claimed that anything short of an end to the COP is not victory, I really can't help but get a chuckle out of your post.

I look forward to the discussion in the new ceasefire thread. =)

[Brdavs]

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I ask you, why do you believe that the fact that you and COP members reverting to (now for the first time exciting!) statbuilding are bored of the war, or that apparently COP is a far better oiled war machine/team, could have any bearing whatsoever on the continuation of the conflict? I imagine it`ll stop when all sides agree, not when you and COP feel like it. It wasn`t called pleaseCOPgatewar.com last I checked, thoe it was that attitude that led us here heh...

COP will allways fight and stick together? huh? I thought they were about to disband and we prolongued their misery...

I understand that they were bored and wanted action but if they poked ppl one time too many and got a bit more than they bargained for that`s hardly anyones but theirs problem. Don`t say CIA are cowards for outnumbering COP 3 times (?) and that you`d like a fair 6v6 (?!), say COP is stupid to have went and pissed off so many so hard in the first place.

You keep contradicting yourself. 3 posts back it was all futile as "CAI can never win" and now we can stop as apparently the core message got thru... thoe it is a cowardly one of half the server gangin up on them if they get out of line again...


With point 8 I won`t even bother, thoe it is the crown jewel of it all. It`s clear you guys have some unresolved issues that more than obviously give some serious pigment to your khm... neutral point of view.

[Neimenljivi]

I was only trying to protect the honour of the EPA as being an alliance who will fight for their own reasons..

If anyone needs me I will be on my balcony with a cold beer in my hand..

Sure, u're still trying to show how "honorable" people were kicked from EPA cause they were trying to keep "honour" in EPA...with such posts as urs are, I wonder, do u even know what HONOUR IS?

Anyway, that it'll spare u a few clicks:

Noun

honour (countable and uncountable; plural honours) (Commonwealth English)
high rank or respect
1902 CE: Dr. Richard Francis Weymouth, Translation of the New Testament of the Bible
Book 60, 1 Peter, 002:004 : Come to Him, the ever-living Stone, rejected indeed by men as worthless, but in God's esteem chosen and held in honour.
dignity; a reputation as a good person
His honour is at stake.
She swore on her honour.
an objectification of praiseworthiness or respect; something that represents praiseworthiness or respect.
(golf) The right to play first

If anyone needs me, I'll be on balcony watching Jamie preparing his anti-CIA speech with lots of wodka in my body.

EDIT: Also Jamie, do u know how to count to 7? 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7...You see, it's Ω Allegiance(1), Alpha Allegiance(2), Dirty Dozen (3), D12 (4), THE DARK DOMINUM (5), DD II (6), OSL (7)

So you see, it's not against 6 but against 7

[TheRook]

the sad thing is people are only just realising this in the past month...

I was discussing this with my RL buddies no longer than 3 days after the war start all those months back...

[J.S.]

Sighs desperate and going for personal insults now since you have NOTHING else OSL aren't in CoP.. They are just serving their master/god EtL

COP will allways fight and stick together? huh? I thought they were about to disband and we prolongued their misery...

I understand that they were bored and wanted action but if they poked ppl one time too many and got a bit more than they bargained for that`s hardly anyones but theirs problem. Don`t say CIA are cowards for outnumbering COP 3 times (?) and that you`d like a fair 6v6 (?!), say COP is stupid to have went and pissed off so many so hard in the first place.

You keep contradicting yourself. 3 posts back it was all futile as "CIA can never win" and now we can stop as apparently the core message got thru... thoe it is a cowardly one of half the server gangin up on them if they get out of line again...

Yeah, they WHERE about to disband, but then a REAL challenged presented itself..

And if it where 6 on 6 CoP WOULD have pwned a very long time ago.. The very fact that all of CIA is there proves that they ALL need to join in to bring a decent fight to CoP..

So you tell me how you will win this war.. And then I will shut up about CIA not being able to win.. Remember CoP players have a reputation of being UNDEFEATED to protect.. I really doubt they will give that up so easily

[Neimenljivi]

Sighs desperate and going for personal insults now since you have NOTHING else OSL aren't in CoP.. They are just serving their master/god EtL

COP will allways fight and stick together? huh? I thought they were about to disband and we prolongued their misery...

I understand that they were bored and wanted action but if they poked ppl one time too many and got a bit more than they bargained for that`s hardly anyones but theirs problem. Don`t say CIA are cowards for outnumbering COP 3 times (?) and that you`d like a fair 6v6 (?!), say COP is stupid to have went and pissed off so many so hard in the first place.

You keep contradicting yourself. 3 posts back it was all futile as "CIA can never win" and now we can stop as apparently the core message got thru... thoe it is a cowardly one of half the server gangin up on them if they get out of line again...

Yeah, they WHERE about to disband, but then a REAL challenged presented itself..

And if it where 6 on 6 CoP WOULD have pwned a very long time ago.. The very fact that all of CIA is there proves that they ALL need to join in to bring a decent fight to CoP..

So you tell me how you will win this war.. And then I will shut up about CIA not being able to win.. Remember CoP players have a reputation of being UNDEFEATED to protect.. I really doubt they will give that up so easily

So cause u've lost, when fighting, war(s) against Omega, u have reputation of being defetable so if somebody with army size of 3 goes on one one with u he'll win? WOW THAT'S COOL!

right I have nothing else...well here's what I did for you...Ain't it preety
and here, another one for you

First u're claiming that we're cowards cause we joined in after TL massed them, then u said TL would loose withous us, now u say that 6v6 would be totaly diffrent story and CoP would own us...all I can say is, rather send 1 tril naq to EtL than kissing his a** on forums, it'll spare u some time u know...realy, just a friendly suggestion as it'll save u a lot of time and we won't have to read tones of cra* all over again...

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