iKon wrote:But the project has already failed, as some members who've joined have more than a little bit of a superiority complex, and continually practice a hypocritical nature in their regard to others. Let us us, as an example, the malicious nature of robe, or the recent public behaviour of teal'auc towards a fellow moderator, no less, Geisha. I am by no means saying that I or Geisha are perfect; we are both very similar in the respect that we say what we feel, and what we feel sometimes upsets people; however, we are not held to a declaration of principles we're failing miserably to uphold - thereby in their behaviour alone, the whole meaning and purpose of your respect group fails unendingly as it serves no purpose but to garner a complete lack of respect for the entire group on the part of the community.
And then what? Group therapy, a hug session and trust that the matter has been resolved until the very next time they persist on verbally abusing a member of the community? It hardly comes under the same category as an alliance tag, because I don't know of any alliance that really specifically asks you to use a manner and conduct in any forum you frequent.
Yes - and because some members in the groups are consistently guilty of moderator bias (and in this, please understand that I in no way include you), it gets ignored and disregarded. I personally have filed a complaint against a member of the supermod team for a completely valid reason, who also happens to be a part of your group, and absolutely nothing is being done about it.
You may not be, but some members of the group walk around with what equates to intellectual snobbery, when in fact they have no real right to. Your group, I'm afraid to say has already lost its vision IMHO.
I shall disprove this point by wearing a greek alphabet tag in my next tag. Henceforth I shall revert to my previous name of theta sigma.
Again, invalid argument, as omega and alpha (and now pi) really only get upset when people use those symbols, because by and large Omega are made targets to look bad - would you like me to go around wearing a respect tag and go full tilt with my usual manner when I decide I dislike a person? No. I thought not, because it gives your group a bad image.
I have, when I stated that the respect group was an unneccessary addition to the forum legend. It sends out the wrong image that you have some kind of authority other than your own morals. Of course, the fact that there are a number of moderators there that allow you to force said morals upon the gaming populus if you so desired...
Spacey wrote:Yes but applying screams that you want recognition and as such be recognised as being better than the rest. Being nominated or something thats 1 thing. But applying is a whole other story. Now im sure that people who applied werent necisarily doing so under that pretence, but you must akgnowledge that at the least it comes with an element of wanting recognition.
But why can't you lead by example in a quiet manner? Loud people never amount to anything; it's the quiet view that change thought and affect change. Ghandi proved that conclusively. As did Einstein. And Hawking.
Spacey wrote:Eitherway I could be Forum and still not want to apply to this group. Perhaps because i dont want to have my posts unofficially restricted due to what the group "stands for".being nominated is more elitist than a person applying. Application to a group means that everyone can be a part of it. It doesn't rely on a few members to determine who is allowed.
But then, why do you need a group to say you're going to be good boys and girls? It's almost as inane in appearance as holding hands to go to the toilet when you're a 30 year old grown man.
Spacey wrote:The only restriction is that members are to post respectfully. As it has been commented... sometime people post disrespectfully and they should not be a a group for respect.
Are they being removed? Or are you just going to prove to me that the group has no real purpose but an elitist way of further excluding yourself from the community?[/quote]
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If you or anyone else has a problem with a members post, flag the post and it will come under mod review. Mods/Leaders (aka. Me) of the respect group do not mod or correct the nature of the players. We make comments or take action on posts. We might not be making great steps to solve issues, but we are trying, in our own way. If people don't agree with it then they don't have to join, and we make no impositions on other players. The majority of the members have not commented poorly on the forum. I hardly see that they group is a failure. We are human, and can't be expected to never make mistakes. I will not comment greatly on Teal'auc/Geisha. Mods have seen it, as have members of the community (hence your post). I don't like seeing it, but it's up to admin now.
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When did I say the matter was resolved. This group isn;t designed to change how a member behaves on the forum. The purpose of which I already posted above. I don't know how many time I've said this. The pledge is mailnly a personal one. I can't stop someone from posting something, I can only clean up after it. Virtually all of the people that don't post respectfully aren't in the respect group. So, when you say that members persist on verbally abusing the community you must have your people confused. I used an alliance tag as something similar to the group colour. A symbol is used to identify a group, and a colour can also be a symbol used to identify a group.
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Mod bias? This is an arguements as old as SGWs. If your issue is with mod bias then take it up with a supermod/section leader. If the problem is with supermod then take it up with admin. If the problem is with admin then try to discuss it or learn to live with it. I can't comment on modding. This is not a modding group.
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Again, if you have a problem with posts then flag it. A lot of people walk around here that try to boss people around. I don't like it and try to ensure that it doesn't happen.
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That doesn't prove anything. It was very public when members of the community have a sig that another group has "claimed rights" to. Even in the name is similar or near to somehting that existed people go to war for it. It has happened and was accepted as ok by members of this gaming community. The issue here is with using a colour as a symbol, for example (again) like using a greek letter.
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I disagree. I would argue that the symbols and likeness of name being used by another group or alliance is heavily frowned upon. It is common knowledge that alliances have massed or gone to war with others if the name was sililar or very, very close. My original point was that a symbol (letter) was used to seperate members of the community, to which it is argued that a group colour is doing. You have not disproved that. Looking back historically it is clear that what I have written above has happened.
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We force no such "morals" on anyone. In fact most of the mods in the respect group section (as members) hardly post. Do you have one single example of the group forcing the pledge on other people?
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How are we being loud? PhpBB 3.0 allows for a group to have a colour, it is a function of the software we use that we are choosing to use. What evidence do you have that suggests we will be "loud"?
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The prurpose of the group was mentioned in a past post, one which I will not repeat. The group exists becasue people feel it it needed. People eel that more work needs to be done on the community, and wish to have a place to discuss things they don't like away and without fear of reprisal (like we are seeing in this thread) with people that feel the same way.
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Memebrs have been removed, and I have approached members on their conduct. I don't discuss names for because people are allowed to make mistakes, they are just human beings after all.
MajorLeeHurts wrote:So let me understand you have created an alliance within the forum that has the authority to entice with and assign color, and added a special user bar on the forum. You can also accept or deny applicants based behavior................... All are welcome
Pass me the purple Koolaid
No. A group was created last year. I lead it. I have the authority to assign colour, along with other mod leaders (currently just one other mod as a leader), and possibly other members as leaders. Special userbar? I bought the userbar for the group and I pay for it each time it is customized (I would add: at a price higher than the creator originally requested). I did and do so and a fourm member, not as a mod. I did the same for the spam temple as well. Is there a problem with that? It is something that anyone else can do anywhere on the forum.
iKon wrote:Wrong again. Colour isn't the core of the issue. the fact that a non important group has been awarded a colour and a place on the legend is. Especially when said group are preaching high morals others don't necessarily agree with.
Where exactly has members been preaching to the forum? You don;t agree with people on the forum posting respectfully? If another group had a colour on the legend it would be seen there as well. It is not an award. It is a function of this version of phpBB to allow groups (whatever group) to have colour.
iKon wrote:But...why have a group at all? Why even try to dictate terms on how people should treat each other? it isn't your place, especially with the sheer NUMBER of hypocrites you have in your ranks.
You seem to be stuck on one central idea. We are not dictating terms of anything on anyone. The pledge is a personal one. If someone doesn't post respectfully I look at it. Who are the "hypocrites"? Have you flagged any posts? Did you mention it to mods before now? You will probably ask why have a group then...the purpose of teh group has been outlined by myself in this post and in a past on in this thread.
Again, Teal'auc and geisha issues should be taken up with admin.
iKon wrote:But we don't need to. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's misleading, because people have assumed that because you have a group colour, you're in a position of authority.
We have never said we are in a position of authority. In fact we have been saying that all through this thread. Any group has the ability to have a colour. The modding colours are clear, and the legend exists to avoid confusion.
