respect etc.

[Osi]

I menat that Mods who get all flustered about ingame issue and bring down the intergity of their office should be removed from said office.

for example
mods who flame
mods who spam in sections that are not the temple
mods who get on here drunk
mods who break the rules
and so forth

There seem to be a crowd of them

[Psi Kiya Trist]

people were tearing each other apart, everybody was flaming and it was not leading anywhere. So, no the thread is not coming back.

I do beleive we were having a nice discussion, because you (and a few others) where on the receiving end doest mean we where tearing each other apart.

Well on the first page of said thread people already started throwing personal insults. I'd call that flaming. Only a few people actually bothered reading the topic and discussing it. I am sorry for those people that some others had to ruin it. But hey, feel encouraged to have a proper discussion now without the flaming.

are you saying that my posts are flaming, and those that read the whole thread, and agree'd with my posts are also flaming, yet ignorant of the true purpose of the thread?

[That's allot of what this was about and the reason the "Respect Movement's" name was brought up in the first place, (leading by example) allot of them were making silly complaints and claiming personal insults.

a whole whooping two, and one was complaining for BEING THE ONE INSULTED. *gasp*

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[Osi]

Psi, hate to say it...but right now I would deem you part of the problem you are trying to solve, and because of that you might consider stepping back and allowing things to cool down.

[goodie]

people were tearing each other apart, everybody was flaming and it was not leading anywhere. So, no the thread is not coming back.

I do beleive we were having a nice discussion, because you (and a few others) where on the receiving end doest mean we where tearing each other apart.

Well on the first page of said thread people already started throwing personal insults. I'd call that flaming. Only a few people actually bothered reading the topic and discussing it. I am sorry for those people that some others had to ruin it. But hey, feel encouraged to have a proper discussion now without the flaming.

No. We have had said discussion. It was civilised. In didnt have flaming. The differences? You, Replijake and a few others werent there.

I shall allow you to draw your own conclusions.

-Goodie

[Osi]

Discussions such as that should be kept in private messages. Personal arguements and disagreements seem to clutter this forum all to often.

[RepliJake]

people were tearing each other apart, everybody was flaming and it was not leading anywhere. So, no the thread is not coming back.

I do beleive we were having a nice discussion, because you (and a few others) where on the receiving end doest mean we where tearing each other apart.

Well on the first page of said thread people already started throwing personal insults. I'd call that flaming. Only a few people actually bothered reading the topic and discussing it. I am sorry for those people that some others had to ruin it. But hey, feel encouraged to have a proper discussion now without the flaming.

No. We have had said discussion. It was civilised. In didnt have flaming. The differences? You, Replijake and a few others werent there.

I shall allow you to draw your own conclusions.

-Goodie

You only consider it civilized discussions if it is with people that agree with you?

[geisha]

are you saying that my posts are flaming, and those that read the whole thread, and agree'd with my posts are also flaming, yet ignorant of the true purpose of the thread?

I was saying the whole thread got derailed. It started at page 1 when the personal insults came in followed by a whole bunch of accusations, discussions about moderators, bringing a general discussion to a personal level and so on.

But what's the point in arguing about the old thread? Other than just derailing this one too?

[Psi Kiya Trist]

are you saying that my posts are flaming, and those that read the whole thread, and agree'd with my posts are also flaming, yet ignorant of the true purpose of the thread?

I was saying the whole thread got derailed. It started at page 1 when the personal insults came in followed by a whole bunch of accusations, discussions about moderators, bringing a general discussion to a personal level and so on.

But what's the point in arguing about the old thread? Other than just derailing this one too?

ah, but isn't the core of this thread people's reactions? and isn't this a person's reaction?

you fail to see that this IS the same topic, you just don't want to admit it.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[Osi]

are you saying that my posts are flaming, and those that read the whole thread, and agree'd with my posts are also flaming, yet ignorant of the true purpose of the thread?

I was saying the whole thread got derailed. It started at page 1 when the personal insults came in followed by a whole bunch of accusations, discussions about moderators, bringing a general discussion to a personal level and so on.

But what's the point in arguing about the old thread? Other than just derailing this one too?

derailment you've allowed to continue rather then ending it at the start and finishing it in private...tsk tsk

[Alex]

Thats right... When goodie speaks u stop and listin!



I dont know whats wrong with some of you... You geisha ive posted my idea in all of your threads you to thick headed to get it maybe...


COMBINE THE TWO IDEAS AND REACH AN AGREEMENT!

Ive seen ABSOLUTLY no effort on your part, however arent you trying to solve the problim????

[Osi]

Fallen calling Geisha thick was unwarrented

[Alex]

No... It wasnt, ive posted in all of the threads gaisha has made, and even the one psi made, at least 2 times in each that both sides of this argument need to calm down and reach an agreement that combines both of the princables...

Not ONCE has gaisha responded to me about it on the thread OR even posted about it, then she claims she is doing best to help solve the problim..

[Osi]

I didn't say you were wrong, just that your comment was unwarrented Personal insults should never be allowed no matter the reason.

[Alex]

lol exactly!

if i would have held back (i did there were some things i wanted to say i guarentee you wouldnt have like giesha just to get a reaction) then there would be no problim... looks like u were wrong


lol no its not as simple as that... or is it?!?!

[Severian]

Ok, so I started a thread putting up a thesis based on my own observations. I generally stated that many people on the forums seem to have their difficulties in seeing the difference between attacking someone’s personality and making sarcastic remarks about ingame happenings. I further claimed that the meaning of respect is often misinterpreted on the forums.

Who are you to decide how people should take things. It seems people have difficulty in understanding that people do take offense and when they asked you to stop, you stop. You don't publicly denounce them and call them over-sensative and go back to insulting with 'justification'.

I said that I don’t think this is a good thing for the community as it is killing the fun and the role playing (or what ever was left of it).

Insulting and satirical nonsense is not the only way to enjoy one's self on forums. If it is the only valid way for you to have fun, then you need to rethink your position. I along with most of the community can have fun without resorting to petty insults and then trying to justify them, either through threads such as these, or misuse of moderating powers.

I did not direct it at anyone personally.
My post was very respectful.
I made clear in the very first sentence of my post that I am not encouraging disrespectful behaviour at all.

You advocated the posting of satircal pictures and the public denounciation of people who take offense and react. Saying that they must obviously have failed to grasp the difference between ingame and real life and need to be re-educated. Which was a veiled way of saying, if you don't like my humour, tough. You don't have a life and i'm fully justified in insulting you.

I must say I was shocked to see where the thread was going in 13 pages of posts. People started pointing fingers, personal insults were thrown around, almost everybody was flaming each other…

Shocked? You were laughing the whole way through in your postings. You admitted the entire post was bait to get people under the 'respect' group to react and were quite happy and proud with the chaos the thread had caused. Don't you try take the moral high ground here. You baited and now you're pleading innocence.

This was certainly not what I intended with my post but it does make one thing clear: the issue I described in my post does exist. People have been showing once again, that they are reacting overly sensitive and are confusing personal things with game related things.

As above. But you fail to see the issue. People do take offense and instead of acknowledging that and realising that you have been insulting towards them, continue to try find justification for such behaviour.

The Crux of your argument:

Oh i insulted a person and he took offense. Obviously he is over-sensative and wrong and he is the person who has the issue. This is because i found my statement funny and the forums don't aren't fun unless people are insulting each other

I have moved that thread away because there is no point in giving people a platform to tear each other in pieces in the name of respect.

Then why were the war threads which a lot of this insulting was brought up not moved completely from the public eye sight? Maybe its because they didn't have informed posts which reveal your shortcommings and that the second you are on the end of the stick, use your moderating powers to make the problem go away. The thread should have been locked if spamming had occuring, so that people could have read it. You didn't move. You covered up.

It is quite disappointing to see such a reaction to a thread that started out respectfully with the sole purpose of discussing the use and misuse of the term respect.

Sad, really.

So your respect i.e advocating people to insult is more valid than the respect group's respect, which is promoting positive postings through example. Who is the person mis-using the term respect here?

Oh and this thread’s purpose is to offer a second chance to have a discussion about the above described issue. If it goes the same way as the old thread, then it will also find the same ending.

The old, "If this thread doesn't go my way, it goes to the highway."