bad things

[Bull-E]

I hate how kids annoy dogs and when the dogs retaliates the dog gets blamed because children are more important

human life is so precious

[Fear Of The Duck]

Buy purchasing those diamonds we are providing demand. With demand comes supply, and therefore there is a contribution to the problem.

but: WHY DO THEY BUY WEAPONS FOR THIS? WHY NOT, LET'S SAY, FURNITURE?
because weapons is what they want, and we have no moral right to tell them what they should want. if they want fight each other, it's ok with me.
not buying them diamonds wont solve the problem, because here diamonds are not the problem.

ppl are trying to solve problems, especially in third world countries (but not only there) with no success whatsoever because they are trying to solve the WRONG PROBLEMS. it's like with the medicine: curing symptoms leads to nowhere, it only costs money, it's the cause that needs to be cured.

btw: it's actually the other way round: with supply comes demand. if there's no supply, theres no demand (speaking as economist)

[Grand Admiral Martin]

exactly they dont need to buy weapons. but why not west buys diamonds then sells them weapons, therefore getting money back. and i doubt weapons are top quality, so clear out crap, get free diamonds. sounds like a great plan for us.

but hey im all for saving the envoirnment corran, we need to save the planet. we should wipe out cows to cut carbons emissions! WW3 will be man versus beast!

[Spacey]

You guys are missing what I'm saying.

I am saying we are consumers that this bahaviour happens for. We have control of how we spend our money. We can protest and help prevent it if we don't purchase it here, in our countries. Like a boycott.

No business venture will stay alive if it is not profitable. I am saying we can do things where we live to make it not profitable for those people that would hurt others for profit.

If you are opposed to animal harvesting for their fur, you do not buy fur coats, you don't buy fur coats one place and not in another.

I see that as being hypocritical.

[Fear Of The Duck]

If you are opposed to animal harvesting for their fur, you do not buy fur coats, you don't buy fur coats one place and not in another.

i agree. but there's a number of ppl that like wearing fur coats.
btw: did you know that artificial furs are much more non-eco than the natural ones?

[Grand Admiral Martin]

why boycott things we like?

[Grand Admiral Martin]

Pretty much just summoned up everything I just said

that i did

we think alot alike

[Spacey]

If you are opposed to animal harvesting for their fur, you do not buy fur coats, you don't buy fur coats one place and not in another.

i agree. but there's a number of ppl that like wearing fur coats.
btw: did you know that artificial furs are much more non-eco than the natural ones?

I would argue that the needs and safety of the disadvantaged (less fortunate) trumph the wants of the fortunate minority. The industrilized world is a minory of people and area (North America, certain countires in Europe, etc. relative to China, Africa, India, etc.) We are in no position to make value statements on another culture, that being significantly worse off than us, from our lofty and safe countries where clean water is obtained but turning on a tap (most cases), and where our next meal will come from is generally not an issue.

Eco-fur: probably. perhaps we should not be so concerned with wearing the hair of another animal?

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But that's just the thing I couldn't care less how something is made as long as it's not dangerous to me if it's cheaper better then I'm going to buy it regardless of how they treat their animals/employees it doesn't bother me as long as it's safe for me and the only thing I object to is the treatment of the raccoons and only because there's better ways to skin the animals, better as in easier and faster it's almost as if they're doing it the hard way to purposely torment the animal and that's what I don't like cutting a chicken's head off or slitting a cow's throat doesn't bother me these are quick effective ways of killing the animal but skinning it alive is just wrong, as for things about human mistreatment that doesn't bother me number 1 most of the stories you hear about the employees had a choice and doesn't HAVE to work at the labor camps or whatever and before you start spouting that they have to because they can't afford to live otherwise that's the fault of the government/economy don't blame the employers and number 2 many of these cases you hear about they fail to tell you that the employer pays them more then almost everyone else yeah they make nickels and dimes an hour but it's better then pennies

The blood diamonds has no effect on me number 1 I don't care and number two I don't buy diamonds anyway even if I did care and if I were to buy diamonds it would most likely be manufactured perfect diamonds in the form of CPUs (for personal use that is)

About the fur I don't wear fur coats I don't wear fur I don't really wear any kind of coat ever I wear demin jeans a T and boats and that's about it I only wear a jacket if I absolutely MUST like say it's freezing and I'm going to be outside all day and even then I've been known to go without a jacket and if I did that video didn't bother me enough to care to stop buying their furs

I'm simply cold hearted and really don't care

Jack, it's much easier if you seperate your point into different paragraphs...for me I mean.

There is a contridiction in your point. You say you don't care if it doesn't hurt you. Skinning a racoon has no direct effect of injury or illness to you. So, you say that you care, and that you don't care. You can't have it both ways.

It's not all about choice.

The article told the story of a young boy from Pakistan, Iqbal Masih, who was sold into child labour at the age of four as a carpet weaver to pay back a loan his parents had acquired. Iqbal worked 12 hours a day, six days a week, tying tiny knots to make carpets.

Iqbal lost his freedom to laugh and to play. He lost his freedom to go to school. And, after he began speaking out against child labour, he lost his life.

The article said he was murdered for raising the issue in the press and in politics at the age of 12...

http://www.freethechildren.com/aboutus/ftchistory.htm

We are also talking about opportunity here. What choices do people have? Work for nickels and dimes? Starve?

Not my point or what I'm getting at. I'm saying that the purchase of those items contributes to a problem that you agree exists. Apathy is no excuse.

You have already mentioned this.

Thanks for telling us what clothes you wear... ...........
Jack cold hearted? Nooooooooo! Never!

[Bull-E]

dimonds are not the most rare of the precious stones, in fact they r the most comon
rubys r the most rare

[Spacey]

Yes but at the same time you must be aware that if you stop buying those products that the manufacturers will pick up and leave then it leaves those people with no choices at all then you have an even bigger problem

You're not doing them a service buy buying it. You are saying that there is a demand and the suppliers will respond. It is a contribution to the problem.

Not necessarily (second point) if you look at the evolution of man and the societies we've had it is more than likely that they will move into agriculture or a pre-industrialized state. I haven't heard of a case for the countries, when the child labour and poor working conditions were stopped, that made it ultimately worse for the people.

[Spacey]

Cuba has one of the best health care systems in the world. People from all around the world go to Cuba for health care. That is where they have excelled.

Try again.

[Spacey]

It gets very tiring when people propose something with doing any research, and what they say not being backed by factual evidence. The past month I've dealt with noting but problems.

Please do some reading first. I tire of rumor, heresay, and accusation.

Praise for the Cuban Healthcare System

In 2006, BBC flagship news programme Newsnight featured Cuba's Healthcare system as part of a series identifying "the world's best public services". The report noted that "Thanks chiefly to the American economic blockade, but partly also to the web of strange rules and regulations that constrict Cuban life, the economy is in a terrible mess: national income per head is minuscule, and resources are amazingly tight. Healthcare, however, is a top national priority" The report stated that life expectancy and infant mortality rates are pretty much the same as the USA's. Its doctor-to-patient ratios stand comparison to any country in Western Europe. Its annual total health spend per head, however, comes in at $251; just over a tenth of the UK's. The report concluded that the population's admirable health is one of the key reasons why Castro is still in power.[51]

In 2000, Secretary General of the United Nations Kofi Annan stated that "Cuba should be the envy of many other nations" adding that achievements in social development are impressive given the size of its gross domestic product per capita. "Cuba demonstrates how much nations can do with the resources they have if they focus on the right priorities - health, education, and literacy."[52] The Kaiser Family Foundation, a non-governmental organization that evaluated Cuba’s healthcare system in 2000-1 described Cuba as "a shining example of the power of public health to transform the health of an entire country by a commitment to prevention and by careful management of its medical resources"[53] President of the World Bank James Wolfensohn also praised Cuba's healthcare system in 2001, saying that "Cuba has done a great job on education and health", at the annual meeting of the Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Wayne Smith, former head of the US Interests Section in Havana identified "the incredible dedication" of Cubans to healthcare, adding that "Doctors in Cuba can make more driving cabs and working in hotels, but they don't. They're just very dedicated".[54]

[edit] Studies of the Cuban health system in the United Kingdom

In 2001, members of the UK House of Commons Health Select Committee traveled to Cuba and issued a report that paid tribute to "the success of the Cuban healthcare system", based on its "strong emphasis on disease prevention" and "commitment to the practice of medicine in a community".[51]

The Parliament of the United Kingdom also drew up an analysis of the key features of Cuba's healthcare system, drawing comparisons with the state funded National Health Service (NHS). The overall conclusion was that many of the features identified would not have occurred had there not been an obvious commitment to health provision demonstrated by the protection and proportion of the budget given the health care. The study concluded the following.

* There appeared to be little evidence of a divide between the prevention/proactive response and the disease management/reactive response within Cuban healthcare.
* By far the biggest difference was the ratio of doctors per person. In Cuba it was one doctor per 175 people, in the UK the figure was one doctor per 600 people.
* There is a commitment in Cuba to the triple diagnosis (physical/psychological/social) at all levels.
* Extensive involvement of "patient" and the public in decision making at all levels.
* Integration of hospital/community/primary care via polyclinics.
* Team-work that works is much more evident both in the community and the hospital sector and the mental-health and care of the elderly sites visited were very well staffed and supported.

The study also pointed to problems within the system, these included;

* Low pay of doctors
* Poor facilities—buildings in poor state of repair and mostly outdated.
* Poor provision of equipment.
* Frequent absence of essential drugs.
* Concern regarding freedom of choice both for patient and doctor.[55]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba

[Spacey]

jack, can you find me one health care system that doesn't have problems?

I never said it was perfect.