Over-sensitivity: Take Four

[Psi Kiya Trist]

hoy much we know of someone, is how much they show us. currently, i can't know anything of her, since she has blocked me. why and for what reason, i can't truly say.

but tell me this: would you perfer a friend who always agrees with you, or a friend who can tell you when you're wrong?

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[The Xeno]

I want to say this subject is getting way over rated.

I would say it's been over-rated. Still:

It was important enough for a mod to bring it up in a thread in the moderator section.
It was important enough for a mod to engage in a heated debate with other mods.
It was important enough for a mod to try and start a counter-respect-movement-movement.
It was important enough for a mod to wade through ten pages of public disagreement.
It was important enough that having locked and moved that thread twice, the mod posted a third thread.

... if it is that important to a fellow moderator, I feel a fourth thread, a few more pages, is just a drop in the ocean yes?

Now. I Would like to bring the original CRMM thread back - as it would now seem to be far more important a thread to simply let a few "flamers" dictate it's locking. Still, the last time it was moved out by another mod, it was moved back: So that may have to wait.

Though, I must say, I would also like to simply lock and move all of these threads to the dump - and pretend that this had stopped way back before all those posts, when another mod and I suggested that it wasn't a big enough problem to be worth the above list.



Meh,
I am content that you all seem to have calmed down somewhat.
Respect group must have a hand it in... yall are getting over-sensitive and tight-lipped :cough:

I can't stand it when people always agree and never try to correct or always avoid an argument/discussion

I agree!
<_<
>_>

[Phlamingoe]

ah but there is a quote out there:


"The pen and its words are mightier then the sword"

"Words don't have power, unless you give them power"
-The great, Carlos Mencia

If I tell you to delete you're account, you're not going to do it! It's your choice. If I tell you that you're homosexual, that doesn't make you homosexual. It's you choice.

[The Deity]

Now. I Would like to bring the original CRMM thread back

So have a few of us, if only to enjoy it one more time so you can find it here:

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I believe Goodie is in the process of uploading the pages separately to his website for easier viewing. All hail Firefox Cache.

[Severian]

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Person A jests at Person B. Person B jests back and both have a laugh.

Acceptable joking and roleplaying by both parties/friends.

Person A jests at Person B. Person B is hurt and keeps quiet or asks them to stop. Person A Refuses and continues to Jest.

Person A is Under-Sensitive of Person B's feelings.

Person A jests at Person B. Person B doesn't ask Person A to stop but publicly attacks Person A for their attacks.

Person B is Over-Sensitive and reacts to Person A's jokes.

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Under-Sensitivity is just as big an issue as Over-Sensitivity, especially when the one comitting it uses mod powers to back it up. Case A is fine as it's the fun that Geisha has stated has left the forums due to the likes of the respect group. Fun should be a two way thing.

Case B is what is spawning a lot of the heated debate which covered the two previous threads that were made public. The fact is if one party is not enjoying the jokes, its not fun at all, its harmful mocking.

Case C is also what's caused these threads to appear. That a jest results in a large reaction. Person A should have thought the jest through and what effect it would have on the other person and Person B should have first asked Person A to stop before making such posts.

The issue here is Sensitivity and from one side its under while to the other side its over. The only way i can see anything come from this is that despite the intentions or message of Sender A, its how Reciever B takes it.

If you notice the person its aimed at isn't seeing the humour in your jokes, its simple as stopping. If they respond in kind, i.e joke back then you can both have your fun. As long as its a two way street, not one way with a whole load of mod powers to back it up.

Also a simple rule change of where Moderators cannot mod topics in which they are one of the central posters, as most of the biased debate spawns from there. Its not too difficult to do and ensures that a conflict of interests and personal agenda's don't affect the unbiased nature of true moderation. Just a thought.

[Angnoch]

seriously this "debate" has gone on long enough it is a matter of people and their ability to comprehend a joke as much as it is the responsibilty of the comedian to lay the joke out in a manner that is understood by all. Some times people forget that there are language barriers and such and therefore say something that say English speakers would understand to be a joke due to the context but people who do not speak English as their first language would not see it that way. A comedian is only good if the comedians jokes are understood by everyone hearing/reading them. Respect and disrespect are to things that are assured in life not everyone is going to respect another person not that this is a good thing or even something that is right but it is nonetheless a part of existence. I doubt that people will see eye to eye on everything and some topics just get people heated and they begin to go off the rules of a debate and into the land of ad hominems or personal attacks which are one of the fallacies that are commonly used in arguements. I have gone way off point so I am gonna end this now lol sorry about that

[The Deity]

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Thanks to Goodie it's easier to read and quote. Enjoy folks.

When a moderator moves a thread away, it is not up to you to bring it back. If the thread will come back is a moderator decision only.

It seems someone had a cry so folks my MSN is

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, you will find the link in my Description. Enjoy and thanks again Goodie

Happy nameless one?

[Myseri]

This thread is dumb as is the last two made on the subject. Some people are going to take offense to other comments, and some of the other people wont stop even if asked. There is no point in making a thread about it because you can't change that person. All you can do is edit their post but that is abusing moderator powers I think.

Now you want us to stop complaining geisha? How about you stop hiding behind your moderator ability? Step down as a moderator, let us jest at you. Then it can be more enjoyable for us, and less people would complain. Simple as that. As of right now, we can't joke at all really towards you for the fact it would be "insulting a mod"

[Quina Quen]

Obviously we need someone on constant standby with a box of tissues at the ready. Problem solved.

Win.

Oh, and Ste sir, are you getting yourself into trouble?

[Vendetta]

This "Topic" has become completely retarded to say the least.

[Vendetta]

I wander how many more times someone is going to post "this thread is retarded"

If you don't like it don't read it it's not exactly rocket science

Where did I say i didnt like it? I simply stated it was retarded. If you knew a person that was retarded would you instantly not like them for the fact they are just that?

Ok ill say it this way for you.

Everything about this that could possibly be discussed has been. And is just being repeated and slightly re-worded. Yet people on the side promoting this....whatever it is now. Dont seem to get the point. While others, dont seem to get any point and are talking about the values of respect somehwhat, going off on a limb and completely away from where this started.

Some people are trying to promote abuse, some are trying to stop it, some people are trying to safe face on the bahlf of Geisha, some are trying to derail that, some are complaining about mod issues, some are trying to cover those up, some are complaining about things being coverd up. In short "Thread = Retarded".

Heres a solution. (about the original point)

Geisha/Replijake - Back off a little on the insults and such and recognise when its starting to turn sour
Other people - Harden up

You cant make a solid solution for this, you wont get anything set in stone, different people have different tolerance levels or values/morals etc. Just use your judgement and common sence, it seems to be rare around these parts, but im sure most of you can muster some up from somewhere.

[Mordack]

Generally they would have to read it in order to know how retarded it was.

[The Hamburglar]

look, this is a goddam mod problem. set a time, all of you mods that have invested an interest in this go on msn and bloody well hash it out until ye can agree on something. yere mods, yere jobs are to moderate the forum in line with the rules that are laid out. once ye start extending yere portfolio to deign new crap because ye have "power" trouble arises. ye have a clear defined job to do, nothing more. do that or step down.

[The Xeno]

look, this is a goddam mod problem. set a time, all of you mods that have invested an interest in this go on msn and bloody well hash it out until ye can agree on something.

There is a six page thread in the mod section that ended in effective deadlock. Geisha brought the CRMM from that thread, and with it the unresolved hostility into the general section.
You see, we tried to 'hash' it out, and it ended with all manner of ugly insinuations when one side could not convince the other that there was a great problem with the community, respect group, respect group leaders, and that we needed a counter.

yere mods, yere jobs are to moderate the forum in line with the rules that are laid out.

Unfortunately, now and again one or two mods come to a different interpretation than the others - and majority does not always rule in the mod section. Were that the case, the CRMM thread might well be back in general.

ye have a clear defined job to do, nothing more. do that or step down.

/Me Steps up.

[The Hamburglar]

is there not a heirarchical setup to the moderation/ administration team? in this case the problem concerns global moderators so should the administrators and or forum admin not step in and make a ruling in regard to the issue in question? instead of allowing this rather bitter arguement to continue and most likely grow?