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God Of Tears wrote:Shame they need so much allaince and still have trouble to beat CoP :-D


Funny how an ex-TSA member, who was a loyal member of TSA for a long time comes out saying something like that. I see that it didn't take long before you got brainwashed.
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I am fine with the thread...thank you Jamie for expressing your opinion...view on this one...and made it possible for others to do so .

The only thing I do not like about this thread you made Jamie, is when you say/claim (whatever word you see fit) stuff, that look as if they were DOGMAS or some undisputed truth or what ever ppl see fit.

- Saying Robe is our leader...here you are wrong...and I wouldnt mind if you would say... I quote:
I believe Robe is CIAs leader


- Then saying...CIA wont disband after this war...again Jamie, please use the word---> It is mearly my opinion...

When such words are used...then there is a time when I say not only that this thread is good...but , that the boy expressed his opinion, as is his right...it is his view...and who am I to say that his view is poo and mine is not.
Who am I to say to all of COP members:
"You guys are fighting for a wrong cause...and we here in TL ae fighting for the right one..."
Not at all I hope that those of you who stayed in COP, truely believe in what you are fighting for...it is not just for your policy...or COP in general...it is for your friends...for your game play...or perhaps some other reason...from my heart I hope that is the case.
I do not like fighting ppl who fight only because they feel they need to/they owe it to their alliances...or smth similar...

It is the same with Tweety girl...why involving someone neutral....why making her alliance/friends to pick between a friend and their memebrs etc...
That is not my intention at all...I am a HC of TL...when I recieve an info of her helping COP...I dont see it as her helping her friends, I admit that part...I dont even care why she did it. What I do care and understand at that point is...that tweety girl is founding ppl who are hitting/hurting/trying to destroy MY OWN friends...their game play etc...
That is the reason Tweety girl was hit no matter if she helped both parties...
I imagine you wouldnt want me to be hitting COP guys but at the same time giving a few guys in COP that are my friends 50k ATs...

Anyway excuse me for my long post...and excuse me Jamie for presenting a partial critic on you. In general as I have said I "like" the thread in a way...that this is right...at no point views of only one party should be seen...
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Alabrax wrote:PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF JAMIES LIL POST MADE YOU FEEL GUILTY FOR BEATING UP ON COP AND THEIR SUPPORTERS.


*Keeps hands at side*


My hands are down!

J.S. get your facts straight before you start blaming alliances left and right that are part of CIA. As there is only one alliance responsible for massing Tweety.

CIA does not act as one, on every single issue that arises! We are still just a pact of alliances that have a common goal and thats it.
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Bad Wolf said


In the old days if someone from COP massed/attacked/raided you, you just could do nothing back.

Now we may get farmed the same amount but we are farming them all back now [ AND GROWING BETTER THAN BEFORE ]

So the CIA is not in any sort of stalemate, we are growing and the COP are just lossing naq/UU and power every second this war goes on.

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When ever I got hit for naqs, I never involved the alliance, only those whom had difficulty handling a situation asked for alliance help, so that basically and I would say in the most part, would put an arguement against the do nothing back

I will not argue that alot of people are doing well in this war on all sides, though I would also say that there is no more pleasure in just farming, where just a small defense is massed where you have to think your officers and planets are either attacked or destroyed, what makes things fun is building yourself up to such a manner that you make your self safe, where you see your defenses hold or find yourself having a defense broken and then rebuilding higher ect. If a simple small defense cannot be kept, then this game has only one real play left FARMING and I dont play games to just farm its boring

I have grown, sold uu and invested, traded more ect, at the end if all there is, is a small defense to look for then again just ruins the atmosphere and ambiance of the game and looses all its fun

as for COP loosing naq uu ect, I said it once before, The Legion had an army between just if I remember 17, had an army greater than the whole of DDE who at the time had 55 members

You have members like metal messah and others with armies greater than 50m and more

When I had my army at 27m, I was making more naqs than I lost, I said it once and ill say it again, who is funding this war, if I at 27m was making then who is really loosing, So I would argue that COP is loosing Id say all alliances are in one way or other loosing and I would also say that all alliances are gaining,, but what levels I dont know

as for ranks ect, I dont bother with a defense or large attack, why bother, honestly whats the need, after all if a 3t defense cant hold why even have more than a few m, ergo if enough people think similar you can easily look week, its what you could do in one turn that can make a difference
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Re: Leaders of CIA

J.S. wrote:This thread is to celebrate you becoming just like CoP in your own views..

Congratulations!!!!

1. Massing somone becuase they are helping your enemy


Helping is not the same as making deals. I believe that the diferent points of view in this matter started all this but massing for open support is fair.

J.S. wrote:2. Massing somone becuase they are ensuring your enemy becomes more powerful then you
same as 1?

J.S. wrote:3. Boasting on the forums about how your winning a war when if you noticed your actually not.

Is called propaganda and everyone does it. At some point it become just spam but I don't care if CoP does it. I know is a lie.

J.S. wrote:
4. Spying on other peoples forums

I have seen it from the first day I joined this game. Spy games are fair. Anyway u must be careful if u are a traitor to a personal friend. That could be confused with reality, so, dangerous but fair.

J.S. wrote:5. Threathening/coaxing neutral alliance members into joining the war.


Really bad. I hope we are not doing it.

No offense man but only point 5 is related with what we don't like about CoP.
The problem is they abuse of their power. How?
Threatening ppl, Massing for no reason, making ppl feel they will never be able to get as much power as them and in fact killing ppl before they can be a threat to their power. Ruling by fear, which is not only in the game but in the forums. Didn't they see that ppl was afraid to post in forums about them because they threaten with massing as soon as u talk about them? Omega for example.

Basically some of them (maybe just a few or maybe more) forgot 2 basics things:

1) We are playing this game TOGETHER and the server is helthy if we ALL enjoy it and if we all have the chance to compete in a reasonable time fraim (from top one to the guy with one gun and 1 trained atack unit)

2) U were noobs in the past and noobs are the future of the server. We must respect em. We want em. We need em. Is ok role-playing the System Lord but not to the personal level and of course there is a limit for everything.

Face it guys, power corrupts ppl. And all corrupted power must fall some day. This is CoP's :-D
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hmmm...i really dont get it where you guys get the notion that after all this we would band together and form like COP? seriously, a classic example is what happen to tweety, the fact that some CIA members are not in favor on what happen clearly shows that each of us have our own way of dealing with things, the only thing that is keeping us together is COP


and to be honest the only difference before from now is that we now can hit COPS back, i myself have on occasion have been farmed by COP, but i dont hit back because seriously there are some COP members that are really particular when you hit back, and the consequences of hitting back entails getting your entire alliance hit not just by 1 cop alliance but by at least all of them (of course not all COP members are bad, there are some nice ones out there)

so the present situation works, it now balances out the game, you hit us we hit you back, this was supposed to be how things should be

and finally its too early to make up conclusions on how things will end, for one thing it might never end, so lets just wait till we cross the bridge

for now i guess (hopefully) most are having a good time whether it be cop or cia so for now lets just enjoy this war
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Major Lincoln LaFayette wrote:Are you guys just desparate to hide the God of Tears discovery with spam?

Everyone, go back a few posts and see the truth of the honor of God of Tears and some of the statements that have been made. The proof is there. It is indisputable.


Lol , I think u need to re-read some post over their m8 :)
spam is something I never do maybe some rude words and working on ur nerves but spamming NO !

Anyway , I see a point in Jamies hes oppinion , I also exspected much more . but thats the way it is and yes for friends it's hard to see whats going on.

also people mentiont this war has no purpose ur right ! cus it a cold war.


Ans if people noticed , their are some not intrested anymore in playing , o yes not from the farmings or goals but the way u acts . damn I've seen much people acting like kids these day's . :roll:

like this person here claims he knows everthing "Major Lincoln LaFayette"
but lives in an illusion were bad GoT's running arround :lol: and spams !

anyway thats not the point. BW also people can'tgrow faster in this gameas they getting farmed ... CoP naq isn't magic in my eye's

But Jamie I don't see CiA stay together anyway it's way to big to call it a super allaince as it had no order within it's power , but I don't believe their are goals in this game ...

anyway people have oppinions some are bad some are not , and about me being brianwashed sorry no , I've seen both fences now Bamse
and I've seen were the polite people are that do not use insults to kick someone out of the game :wink:
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Alabrax wrote:I will be instructing my folks not to take part in this.


:evil:

I thought that was assumed. TL can clean out it's own dirty laundry, I'll focus on CoP.

AS for GoT... I found it both sickening and amusing reading your post. Sickening, like Bamse said, suddenly spitting out CoP rhetoric with ease and even seeming to enjoy it. Also, speaking of honor when you have deliberately leaked information (thankfully Alabrax only told you an hour ahead of time, otherwise who knows when Jenny would have been told) and then switched camps with such ease [BTW, why is it I JUST found out that GoD was the other part of your new alliance. That could have cleared somethings up if mentioned earlier :x )].

What I have found funny is most of your arguments have none/little of the substance of those arguments that you shoot down, yet you claim that their arguments don't make sense. :roll:

Your reasoning is much harder to figure out.
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Tollan Phoenix wrote:
Alabrax wrote:I will be instructing my folks not to take part in this.


:evil:

I thought that was assumed. TL can clean out it's own dirty laundry, I'll focus on CoP.

AS for GoT... I found it both sickening and amusing reading your post. Sickening, like Bamse said, suddenly spitting out CoP rhetoric with ease and even seeming to enjoy it. Also, speaking of honor when you have deliberately leaked information (thankfully Alabrax only told you an hour ahead of time, otherwise who knows when Jenny would have been told) and then switched camps with such ease [BTW, why is it I JUST found out that GoD was the other part of your new alliance. That could have cleared somethings up if mentioned earlier :x )].

What I have found funny is most of your arguments have none/little of the substance of those arguments that you shoot down, yet you claim that their arguments don't make sense. :roll:

Your reasoning is much harder to figure out.


I don't think this thread is about me , so maybe read the topic name OR the post Jamie made ... lmao :shock:
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:roll: Love the way you dodge things you don't like. But, to humor you.

Jamie, don't stereotype. That's all I have to say.
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Tollan Phoenix wrote::roll: Love the way you dodge things you don't like. But, to humor you.

Jamie, don't stereotype. That's all I have to say.


Thank u and come again :roll:

I make my own path and gaming style besides I left but if u still can't life with it press the delete button their :roll:

EDIT: And do not talk like ur smart or do I need to qoute something out of the TSA boarders with ur insults maybe than u can talk smart ...
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Tok`ra wrote:Meh, I said they'd become the new CoP ages ago.




looks like you won then didnt you mr. tokra XD
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_System_Lord_Sokar_ wrote:
Tok`ra wrote:Meh, I said they'd become the new CoP ages ago.




looks like you won then didnt you mr. tokra XD


Tok`ra always wins :P

GoT, I will never, never claim to be perfect. Perfection is something to be strived for, but never achieved. Do I slip up, yes. Do I spam sometimes, hell yes. I find it ironic that you post about me acting smart when your doing the exact same thing, and yet don't recognize your actions. So, go ahead, post my comments. Make a new thread, I don't care. I will not swerve from the truth, which I do not attempt to cover or warp in anyway. You want to bring my honor up, I will meet you head on with that.

Now, back to my post about Jamie (familiy dinner interrupted me). I say no stereotyping, because I believe one of the things this war has made clear is all encompassing stereotypes about people are often false. CIA was formed on overthrowing CoP. Coming into this, I will admit I was under the impression that CoP was some evil monster, mainly due to issues in CoP (-DD) v EPAc war. However, I have discovered many friendly, honorable and even amusing people in CoP (Cue Tok`ra). Plus, lumping CIA into the actions of KGB or TL is unfair, as many alliances may seek the goals of CIA, but they do so in their own ways. Personally, I don't understand how Tweety ended up in the war, and never hit a neutral officer (though, I can understand why a player would, but that's a case of monkey see, monkey not do).

Whew... time for a new paragraph. Anyways, for those that don't want to read the above paragraph, I'll sum it up:
I feel all encompasing stereotypes are bad.
CoP players are not all evil/jerks (small minority give them that reputation)
CIA players are not all following CoP doctrine (see why CoP players are all not evil/jerks)
Saying either of those, I feel, is false and dishonors players that are falsely accused of such actions.
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Stop your ****** propaganda damn it....
Didn't you realize that in the last 2-2.5 months, your propaganda didn't do any good, but destroying the community and tainting the forums?
No need for it... Both sides involved.
No one is winning. And if anyone will, that will be a psychological victory, not a military one, keep this in mind.

If you guys cant stop the flaming, and taking the war to every topic you can, I will go mad and move every stone just to make your life harder here on the forums. You all shall stop ruining this community. Behave as you should in a game:

-have fun
-respect your fellow players
-fight them, but you still can be even in friendly relations with them. (I know, I can have good chats with almost every CIA member I know.)
-If you feel you have to take the war and your grudge to every topic you see, then Im feeling sad for you, and you should leave this game cause its indeed ruining your RL personality....

Once again, both sides!!!
And Im very close to goin mad...
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=/= this post is completely out of character =\=

Bazsy wrote:-If you feel you have to take the war and your grudge to every topic you see, then Im feeling sad for you, and you should leave this game cause its indeed ruining your RL personality...


Hmm... are you saying that forum characters are someone's RL personality?!
In that case, I beg to differ. Then again, maybe the fact that these are game forums do not mean that we stick to our respective roles in here... me, as the hardline CIA extremist, and you as my friendly and respecting opponent (these qualifications are serious, btw, since you *are* friendly and respecting)? When we'd talk on MSN, then yes, maybe I'll drop my role.

I've had to drop it for this post, but I thought the issue warranted my personal opinion and not my persona's (role-bound) opinion that CoP is to blame for a lot. :)
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