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well if u still live in that era then u rite dude. do we have to border and fight the one who cross the line again?????

having a war nowadays kills everyone not only those that are war

if u think US as a potential enemy then u wrong , im not from US anyway, they were the only who helped russian during 90', well they did it on purpose but none else was able to send help.
nowaday ppl like putin and other old craps should say home and read their red books

i was only replying to your comment about nato and giorgia, its a fact that while russia maybe a democracy and a friend to the west now (well till this crap happened) its still in the right here and (rightly so) because the west is butting its nose in where it should not be.
a comparison would be russia funding mexico and building their forces up and telling them to attack the US, because of past tensions between the US and mexico the russians use them to see the US military resolve and strength for a precursor to invasion...

the US would act exactly as the russians have to put off anyone with such an ambition.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i was only replying to your comment about nato and giorgia, its a fact that while russia maybe a democracy and a friend to the west now (well till this crap happened) its still in the right here and (rightly so) because the west is butting its nose in where it should not be.
a comparison would be russia funding mexico and building their forces up and telling them to attack the US, because of past tensions between the US and mexico the russians use them to see the US military resolve and strength for a precursor to invasion...

the US would act exactly as the russians have to put off anyone with such an ambition.

Its true

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

i'm fast getting to the point where i have had enough of england and israel using america to fund their expansionist policies and messing with the internal affairs of foreign sovereign states in order to bring about world economic collapse and give us their solution in the form of a 1 world government, population control and RFID tracking chips.

we need to be writing to our council representatives or (in the case of the US) congressman and telling them we have had enough of this and to gives us back control of our governments...

whatever happened to, government of the people, by the people, for the people?!?!

the sooner we all start to organize, speak out and spread the truth, the better off we will all be.

maddening stuff to say the least

ofc its true cloak but that is the old which lead to the cuban conflict. remember the good president died after because some red n blu dogs were lookin to play wars.

that not the way our generation should think.

there was a winner of the cold war and that state makes the rules.

if u think russia deserve it place in the democratic area then u r wrong, there is no freedom in russia
just an exapmle : who killed the journalist that was writing against the president?
russia is going bck to times instead of using its influence for the best of the world.

they over reacted in georgia and u know better then me. its like here they r bulling

As the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Georgia stated to journalists, Estonian subdivision is assembled to participate in the protection of the sovereignty of the country and the measures for the conclusion of Russian occupation forces. About this reports Internet- publication “Georgia by on-line”. Estonian combat subdivision will in this case wear Georgian military uniform. The government of Georgia already directed in the address of the President and parliament of Estonia appreciation for the shown support.

http://www.echo.msk.ru/news/534025-echo.html

WTH???
This is a lie no combat troops are there... Only some volunteers whit humanitarian aid and some cyber defense specialists to help protect Georgian websites against Russian hackers... We have some experiences in that field
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=79116

papa~smurf wrote:that may well be the case, i can not say with any clarity on the actions of geo. in this matter. However, the movement of Russian forces beyond the areas in dispute, that is clearly wrong to me. If Russian citizens are in danger (any to my understanding they are Geo.with dual passports), then pull them out of there.

1) they are ossetians and many with russian passports, they are NOT georgians
2) pulling them out equals to a massive exodus, kinda like what was done to sudet germans after ww2. Imagine living your whole life in one town along with everyone you know and then someone coming to you and telling you that you have to move by 100-1000 kilometers and you may never return. or dunno, saying all people in one american state would have to immediately leave it and never be allowed to return.
3) I would bet everything i have that if dunno mexico would hit the USA and try to take back the territories the states have taken from mexico in their last invasion, then the US military would not stop at the american border but advance deep into mexico!
If you get attacked by someone you will hit back, and if it looks like it's obvious that they will want to get you later you'll make sure that he can't do that even if they wanted to.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

unfortunately he died a week ago...
btw:i don't know what to think about this...How can someone be so silly and attack russian territory...and how could russia with its army be so silly and attack so hard...???...Its just a play of the big guys who use us as muppets for their games...

urogard wrote:

papa~smurf wrote:that may well be the case, i can not say with any clarity on the actions of geo. in this matter. However, the movement of Russian forces beyond the areas in dispute, that is clearly wrong to me. If Russian citizens are in danger (any to my understanding they are Geo.with dual passports), then pull them out of there.

1) they are ossetians and many with russian passports, they are NOT georgians
2) pulling them out equals to a massive exodus, kinda like what was done to sudet germans after ww2. Imagine living your whole life in one town along with everyone you know and then someone coming to you and telling you that you have to move by 100-1000 kilometers and you may never return. or dunno, saying all people in one american state would have to immediately leave it and never be allowed to return.
3) I would bet everything i have that if dunno mexico would hit the USA and try to take back the territories the states have taken from mexico in their last invasion, then the US military would not stop at the american border but advance deep into mexico!
If you get attacked by someone you will hit back, and if it looks like it's obvious that they will want to get you later you'll make sure that he can't do that even if they wanted to.

when i say Russian, i mean Russian who do not live in the disputed terr., but are there. We are talking about a democracy here, if they live with in the international excepted boarders, they are geo, even if they disagree with the political diction the country is taking. If some one in GEO. ( usa) disagrees with the other 49 states, they don't ask Mexico to send in troops.

part of the issue with emigration in the usa and Mexicans that are unregistered is a fear among some that they will try to retake parts of Texas and Cali, if allowed to grow in numbers. No comment personally on that one.


i don't pretend to bean expert on how the board countries and states of the former soviet union broke up and formed fallowing the end of the cold war. I believe ossinita was part of Geo., but with stronger ethnic ties to Russia. Much the same way the east and west of the uckaine(spell) is, and i would believe most of what was the eastern block is (ea. some look back fondly on russian empire, some not so much).
So as a dumb American, brain washed by the media ( i only have 9 out lets for news here on cable,one of which being world tv, 5 daily national papers with both opposition points of view, and the whole of the internet)i will ask of u to explain your views on some things, from where u sit. And i would also ask u give a brief history of countries history and relations with the soviets.

1) How would former eastern block countries, who have decide to join nato, or have applied to nato feel about this attack into geo. by Russia.

2) is there some concern that the soviets are using Geo. as a way to warn and control those nations, be it by economic power (natural gas, oil) or military might.

3) if left unchecked, is there a historical reflectance for that part of the world that shows the this type of behavior, regardless of the the reason, and it's effect on the climate of freedoms for the people of that area.

4) how does your country view the soviets today and how do u personally view them.

5) do u believe, that in democracy, when u disagree with the majority, u have the right to enforce your views by leaving, or by force, or by any means of force.

i a wait your reply ( if i have not made the questions clear...pm, and i will reword).

1) How would former eastern block countries, who have decide to join nato, or have applied to nato feel about this attack into geo. by Russia.
Those countries which like to climb up USA ass such as ukraine or maybe poland (though i'm not entirely sure but i suspect it strongly) will officially stand with USA stance. All others follow their own policies.

2) is there some concern that the soviets are using Geo. as a way to warn and control those nations, be it by economic power (natural gas, oil) or military might.
A bit of: "don't make us repeat ourselves" and a bit of "we don't give what you think so we don't have to proove anything for anyone and what we do we do for ourselves and our interests"

3) if left unchecked, is there a historical reflectance for that part of the world that shows the this type of behavior, regardless of the the reason, and it's effect on the climate of freedoms for the people of that area.
"freedom for the people" none of the sides involved in this conflict gives a lousy piece of poo about that.
Besides concerning international law and one country invading others, i think we have much more important precedents.

4) how does your country view the soviets today and how do u personally view them.
There are people who hated them there are people who loved them, the latter are kinda more in numbers.

5) do u believe, that in democracy, when u disagree with the majority, u have the right to enforce your views by leaving, or by force, or by any means of force.
I don't believe in democracy, it's an experiment not just failed but gone terribly bad

Apparently I was wrong about the earlier post of America Blockading Iran.

It was a hoax.

Well I'll get my hat, who has the salt & pepper?

Still I'd rather air on the side of caution, I'm actually very happy that I was wrong on this occasion. This is the cost of being vigilant I guess.

It amazes me how America is calling Russia rotten for it actions, and yet look at what they have done to Iraq & Afghanistan with their Illegal preemptive wars of aggression, total hypocrisy on their part.

International law doesn't count when it comes to America apparently.

people need to stop beating on america (as a whole) for its global policies and actions, people need to realize that its britain and israel that are behind most if not all of americas modern global policy.

to understand what i mean, you only have to look at who is getting most of the contracts in afghanistan and iraq, its not american company's.

american tax payers are paying for zionist israel and englands global conquest...

STOP PAYING THE ILLEGAL FEDERAL INCOME TAX, STOP FUNDING THE ELITES WAR ON THE WORLD!!!

[KMA]Avenger wrote:people need to stop beating on america (as a whole) for its global policies and actions, people need to realize that its britain and israel that are behind most if not all of americas modern global policy.

to understand what i mean, you only have to look at who is getting most of the contracts in afghanistan and iraq, its not american company's.

american tax payers are paying for zionist israel and englands global conquest...

STOP PAYING THE ILLEGAL FEDERAL INCOME TAX, STOP FUNDING THE ELITES WAR ON THE WORLD!!!

Indeed, your correct it's not all Americas fault, they are the current patsy of the day.

It's nothing to do with the people of these nations either, it's not like we have a choice or even a voice on these matters.

I know for sure that I didn't ask the UK government to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. This is the second time the UK has been in Afghanistan and this will be another monumental failure.

If we're still there for the sake of our military pride, then it's total insanity.

But I think its probably more to do with the opium trade than anything else, England has a long history of these kind of activities, The east indian trading company is a prime example of this.

east indian trading companys exportation of drugs to china is a prime example, as well as its 2 subsequent wars because the chinese leaders had enough of seeing there people drugged up is another prime example, all of it done at the behest of the british monarchy...

anyone know what the brits diid to the chinese as punishment the 2nd time they tried to block the british export of drugs into their country?

anyone know who got the contract (to deflect blame from the monarchy) to export the drugs out of india when it became public knowledge the british monarchy was behind it all??

sorry i know its off topic but i'm trying to show a proven track record that history repeats it self.

Drachenstein wrote:Apparently I was wrong about the earlier post of America Blockading Iran.

It was a hoax.

Well I'll get my hat, who has the salt & pepper?

Still I'd rather air on the side of caution, I'm actually very happy that I was wrong on this occasion. This is the cost of being vigilant I guess.

It amazes me how America is calling Russia rotten for it actions, and yet look at what they have done to Iraq & Afghanistan with their Illegal preemptive wars of aggression, total hypocrisy on their part.

International law doesn't count when it comes to America apparently.

says who?


The largest naval deployment since 1991 is unfolding as no less than three U.S. warships make their way towards the Persian Gulf in what observers are calling an “unprecedented” build-up, while Kuwait has activated its highest war alert in anticipation of a potential attack on Iran.

According to reports, the USS Theodore Roosevelt, the USS Ronald Reagan, and the USS Iwo Jima are steaming towards Middle East waters to reinforce the USS Abraham Lincoln and the USS Peleliu which are already in the region.

They will be joined by a British Royal Navy carrier battle group and a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine.

The maneuvers represent the largest movement of warships into the region since the 1991 Gulf War and come just a week after Operation Brimstone, a drill “which saw more than a dozen warships from US, British and French naval forces conduct war games in the Atlantic Ocean in preparation for a possible confrontation with Iran,” reports Press TV.

The deployment has fueled rumors that Georgia’s sneak attack on Russia in South Ossetia, backed by the U.S. and Israel, was a shot across the bow to warn Russia against interfering in a strike on Iran which could be imminent.

Kuwait has activated its highest priority Emergency War Plan in response to the naval deployment.

“Kuwait was caught by surprise last time, when Iraqi troops invaded the small emirate and routed the Kuwaiti army in just a few hours,” a former US diplomat to Kuwait told the Middle East Times.

The Israeli news source Debka File speculates that the U.S. naval deployment could have five alternate implications.

1. The US, aided also by France, Britain and Canada, is finalizing preparations for a partial naval blockade to deny Iran imports of benzene and other refined oil products. This action would indicate that the Bush administration had thrown in the towel on stiff United Nations sanctions and decided to take matters in its own hands.

2. Iran, which imports 40 percent of its refined fuel products from Gulf neighbors, will retaliate for the embargo by shutting the Strait of Hormuz oil route chokepoint, in which case the US naval and air force stand ready to reopen the Strait and fight back any Iranian attempt to break through the blockade.

3. Washington is deploying forces as back-up for a possible Israeli military attack on Iran’s nuclear installations.

4. A potential rush of events in which a US-led blockade, Israeli attack and Iranian reprisals pile up in a very short time and precipitate a major military crisis.

5. While a massive deployment of this nature calls for long planning, its occurrence at this time cannot be divorced from the flare-up of the Caucasian war between Russia and Georgia. While Russia has strengthened its stake in Caspian oil resources by its overwhelming military intervention against Georgia, the Americans are investing might in defending the primary Persian Gulf oil sources of the West and the Far East.

My sources are saying the same thing, but they aren't considered reputable enough for most here, plus one of my sources has made an apology and retracted the story.

I still think something is going down, one only has to look at a map of the region to see that Iran is in a pincer between Iraq & Afghanistan, with the Russians deep within Georgia and rumors flying around that they may be opening a land bridge to Iran for ground support.

At this point nothing is certain, it only take one soldier with a nerves or itchy trigger finger and this powder keg will blow.