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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:56 pm
by Iƒrit
Thriller wrote:Really.

The only clear statement in that link with any credibility is from. Dr. Hardy Limeback, THE ONLY REFERENCE THERE..

Who is a professor of preventative DENTISTRY.
And what he is saying is that the benefits from fluoridation can be achieved by ongoing topical application to the teeth and not ingestion. NO where does it quote him saying anything negative concerning the fluoridation of drinking water, he just mentions that the method is outdated.

That is because he is not qualified to talk on effects of fluoride on any other part of the body besides the mouth because he a DENTIST.

Any group can put out a general statement about anything. But without references it usually is just a PR stunt.

Also be aware the information you are finding is at FLUORIDE ALERT.com. Im sure it's a fair and objective forum to present these ideas. lol

your argument is irrational. In case you didn't notice or simply skimmed it, he referenced all his SOURCES. You can see every single study, book and any other resources he examined. Through those sources he explains his observations and recommends according to his understanding. He's got a Bachelors in Biochemistry a PhD. in Collagen Biochemistry, and he's qualified as a Doctor of Dental Surgery, clearly that means he only knows only things associated with dentistry :roll: wonder how he became Canada's leading fluoride authority and, until recently, the country's primary promoter of the controversial additive. He also apologized in this article, and to his faculty and students for unintentionally misleading them for 15 years at the University of Toronto, Department of Dentistry.


Your right its a useless source /end sarcasm

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:21 pm
by Thriller
Okay if your ever get (god forbid) Liver cancer or Heart problems. You make sure you to book an appointment with him. He'll fix you up.

lolollol :smt043 :smt043 :smt043 :smt043 :smt043

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:12 pm
by Iƒrit
Thriller wrote:Okay if your ever get (god forbid) Liver cancer or Heart problems. You make sure you to book an appointment with him. He'll fix you up.

lolollol :smt043 :smt043 :smt043 :smt043 :smt043

so you agree that your argument is irrational? you don't think he has enough medical knowledge to understand what someone has concluded in their study or research? that he is in fact a fair and impartial observer considering he at one point promoted the use of fluoridation in water and then turned around saying he was wrong, apologized for it and has shown his research, shared his numerous sources, and explained why he believes its a practice that should not be continued.

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:01 am
by Dubby_CompGamerGeek2
Recently, the United States Department of Health and Human Services decided to recommend

changing the guidelines on fluoride in tap water,

so that less fluoride would be recommended.

discuss

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:26 am
by Alpha13snake
See this is what happens when information reaches critical mass.

Hate to say it but, we told you so...

Regards Snake.

Oh, Let me repeat a post a few pages back as it was completely ignored:-

Exposure to fluoride may lower children's intelligence says a study pre-published in Environmental Health Perspectives, a publication of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (online December 17, 2010).

Fluoride is added to 70% of U.S. public drinking water supplies.

According to Paul Connett, Ph.D., director of the Fluoride Action Network, "This is the 24th study that has found this association, but this study is stronger than the rest because the authors have controlled for key confounding variables and in addition to correlating lowered IQ with levels of fluoride in the water, the authors found a correlation between lowered IQ and fluoride levels in children's blood. This brings us closer to a cause and effect relationship between fluoride exposure and brain damage in children."

"What is also striking is that the levels of the fluoride in the community where the lowered IQs were recorded were lower than the EPA's so-called 'safe' drinking water standard for fluoride of 4 ppm and far too close for comfort to the levels used in artificial fluoridation programs (0.7 – 1.2 ppm)," says Connett.

In this study, 512 children aged 8-13 years in two Chinese villages were studied and tested – Wamaio with an average of 2.47 mg/L water fluoride (range 0.57-4.50 mg/L) and Xinhuai averaging 0.36 mg/L (range 0.18-0.76 mg/L).

The authors eliminated both lead exposure and iodine deficiency as possible causes for the lowered IQs. They also excluded any children who had a history of brain disease or head injury and none drank brick tea, known to contain high fluoride levels. Neither village is exposed to fluoride pollution from burning coal or other industrial sources.

About 28% of the children in the low-fluoride area scored as bright, normal or higher intelligence compared to only 8% in the "high" fluoride area of Wamaio.

In the high-fluoride city, 15% had scores indicating mental retardation and only 6% in the low-fluoride city.

The study authors write: "In this study we found a significant dose-response relation between fluoride level in serum and children's IQ."

In addition to this study, and the 23 other IQ studies, there have been over 100 animal studies linking fluoride to brain damage (all the IQ and animal brain studies are listed in Appendix 1 in The Case Against Fluoride available online at http://fluoridealert.org/caseagainstflu ... dices.html).

One of the earliest animal studies of fluoride's impact on the brain was published in the U.S. This study by Mullenix et. al (1995) led to the firing of the lead author by the Forsyth Dental Center. "This sent a clear message to other researchers in the U.S. that it was not good for their careers to look into the health effects of fluoride – particularly on the brain," says Connett.

Connett adds, "The result is that while the issue of fluoride's impact on IQ is being aggressively pursued around the world, practically no work has been done in the U.S. or other fluoridating countries to repeat their findings. Sadly, health agencies in fluoridated countries seem to be more intent on protecting the fluoridation program than protecting children's brains."

When the National Research Council of the National Academies reviewed this topic in their 507-page report "Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Review of EPA's Standards" published in 2006, only 5 of the 24 IQ studies were available in English. Even so the panel found the link between fluoride exposure and lowered IQ both consistent and "plausible."

According to Tara Blank, Ph.D., the Science and Health Officer for the Fluoride Action Network, "This should be the study that finally ends water fluoridation. Millions of American children are being exposed unnecessarily to this neurotoxin on a daily basis. Who in their right minds would risk lowering their child's intelligence in order to reduce a small amount of tooth decay, for which the evidence is very weak." (see The Case Against Fluoride, Chelsea Green, October 2010)

Still want that fluoride?

Or maybe this:-

When are they Killing Us Slowly? – (The Poisons)


Slow Kill Man Made Poisons = Persistent, bio-accumulative and toxic industrial waste Sodium Fluoride in tap water. Mercury contaminated High Fructose Corn Syrup/Sugar (HFCS) in most processed foods and sodas. Mutagenic, organic pollutants, Atrazine, PCBs and PBDEs in the soil. Carcinogenic Sodium Benzoate (Benzene) in most beverages. Parabens, Heavy Metals and Toxic Fragrances in most cosmetics. Phthalates and Bisphenol A (BPA) in most plastics, can liners, dental resins and thermal paper used for receipts. Teflon® (PFOA) variations on most non-stick cookware. Pesticides, Herbicides, Fungicides, Algaecides on most non organic produce. Neurotoxic sweeteners Equal®, NutraSweet®, Splenda®, Sweet n Low®, Aspartame (a.k.a. Phenylalanine) in most DIET foods, drinks, and candy. Toxic Dyes, Preservatives, and Monosodium Glutamate (MSG = Food Nicotine) in most non organic processed food. Antibiotics, PCB’s and Growth Hormones (rGBH, rbST) in most non organic Dairy, Beef, Fish and Fowl products. = Anxiety, Allergies, Lower IQ, Obesity, Tumors, Cancers, Sterility, Infertility, Birth Defects, Organ Damage, Neurological, Immunological and Chronic Diseases.

Notable Quote - "If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father

Must Watch Videos: The Fluoride Deception, Leading Dental Researcher Speaks about Fluoride, Fluoride, Aspartame and Population Control, Dr. Paul Connett - Toxic Tapwater, Nutrition & Behavior - Excitotoxins, Dr. Russell Blaylock, The Dangers of MSG - pt 1, 2a, 2b, 3, Aspartame: Sweet Misery A Poisoned World, Sweet Remedy: The World Reacts to an Adulterated Food Supply, Tapped, The Disappearing Male, Your Milk on Drugs, Food the Ultimate Secret, Mercury Found in High Fructose Corn Syrup, The Dangers of Artificial Sweeteners, Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient.

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:27 pm
by Alpha13snake
"Sodium Fluoride is good for you! That’s why bags of it are adorned with giant skull and crossbones with the words “danger – posion, toxic by ingestion”. That’s why the toothpaste tube tells you to immediately seek medical help from the Poison Control Center if you swallow it.

That’s why a major Scientific American report concluded that “Scientific attitudes toward fluoridation may be starting to shift” as new evidence emerges of the poison’s link to disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland, as well as lowering IQ.

That’s why the first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany’s Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride’s supposed effect on children’s teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: “The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben” by Joseph Borkin.")

Fluoride Poison Fluorosis Bone Cancer Brain Damage Aluminum

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:22 am
by Alpha13snake
http://www.naturalnews.com/031209_fluoride_juices.html

A study to be presented at the March 17, 2011, annual meeting of the International Association for Dental Research in San Diego reveals that infant fruit juices of all types contain toxic fluoride, and many contain levels that far exceed federal guidelines. Infants and children that drink such juices are also exposed to high levels of fluoride in drinking water, food products, toothpaste, and various other sources, which is triggering dental fluorosis, hormone disruption, thyroid problems, brain degradation, and other illnesses. Consequently, many experts are urging an immediate end to artificial fluoridation.

Researchers tested ninety different samples of infant juice from three manufacturers and found that all contained fluoride levels ranging from 0.11 to 1.81 parts per million (ppm). When combined with exposure from all the other sources, young children are ingesting untold levels of fluoride on a regular basis.

"Water fluoride, along with fluoride-containing pesticide residues, is contaminating the food supply and harming our children," says attorney Paul Beeber, president of the New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation. "Clearly, artificial fluoridation must stop completely. Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor required for healthy teeth. Studies show fluoride ingestion doesn't reduce tooth decay."

In fact, recent studies have shown that fluoride is responsible for causing, tooth decay, as well as brain damage. A recent study published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives found that fluoride destroys brain tissue and lowers IQ levels in children, even when administered at or below recommended levels (http://www.naturalnews.com/030819_f...).

Another study published in the Journal of the American Dental Association found that fluoride destroys teeth, particularly those of young children and babies that consume it. Yes, the toxic byproduct of the aluminum and phosphate mining industries that has been touted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as the greatest dental health achievement in history is actually responsible for destroying them.

The good news is that the recent announcement to lower fluoride levels in water supplies has spurred many cities and municipalities to consider stopping fluoridation altogether. A New York City councilman, for instance, recently put forth legislation to end water fluoridation in the nation's largest city. If successful, the move will send a shock wave throughout the U.S. that could end the practice in many other places as well.

To support efforts to end artificial water fluoridation, visit the Fluoride Action Network at:
http://www.fluorideaction.net

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031209_fl...#ixzz1D089y1jv

The tide is turning... :)

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Boycott this kind of crap...

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:04 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Alpha you "conspiracy theorist"! there's no such thing as Fluoride...for that matter...teeth are also a myth. See here:


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I see no evidence of teeth in those pics mate...sorry, you mst be one of these:

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*jumps on his flying horse and rides off to never never land*

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:51 pm
by Alpha13snake
Did you not know I pick all this information up on my fillings, I have a secret line to MI6, the tin foil hat would spoil the signal.... :D

On a more serious note, I think we've won this debate on the negative health implications of Fluoride. Wouldn't you agree Avenger?

The only thing the opposition has to reply with are insults...

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:00 am
by [KMA]Avenger
From My POV mate, i had won before i had started. not tooting my own horn, just saying that i would not have made the topic if i had even the smallest doubts i was wrong.

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:04 am
by Iƒrit
Fluoride treatments are topical choosing to drink it as an application is like drinking sun tan lotion to protect you from the sun...

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:48 am
by [KMA]Avenger
It's harmful even when used topically.

Fluoride does clean your teeth because it kills all bacteria it touches, but it also cause dental fluorosis...exactly like throwing the baby out with the bath water :?

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:47 pm
by Alpha13snake
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FACTS ABOUT FLUORIDE Fluoride: * is a waste by-product of the fertilizer and aluminum industry and a Part II Poison under the UK Poisons Act 1972. * is one of the basic ingredients in PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride). * was used in Soviet concentration camps, to make the prisoners stupid, docile, and subservient.” * was used to sterilize humans and force the people in concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: “The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben” by Joseph Borkin.) * 97% of western Europe has rejected fluoridated water due to the known health risks, however 10% of Britons drink it and the UK government is trying to fast track the fluoridation of the entire country’s water supply. * In Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg fluoridation of water was rejected because it was classified as compulsive medication against the subject’s will and therefore violated fundamental human rights.

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:36 pm
by Alpha13snake
Booom, Wake up....

USA admits adding fluoride to water is damaging teeth and has been a big experiment on Fox News...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp3wJjzr ... r_embedded

&

"We conclude that fluoride treatment is associated with testicular disorders, which may be due to induction of oxidative stress in reproductive organs along with possible adverse effects of fluoride on pituitary testicular axis.The detailed mechanism of fluoride treatment on the male reproductive system has not been elucidated and will be the subject of future experiments " (Ghosh et al 2002).

Pubmed - Reproductive Toxicology: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/122205­99?dopt=Abstract (Link Broken Unfortunately)

Watch, Read, Weep...

Come on some one must have something to say now...

Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:56 pm
by Kit-Fox
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