Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:42 am
Okay after much reading(8 pages oye). I am ready to post my opinon.
Let Me start by saying that I am a Bhuddist. I used to be a southern baptist.
Now Afentius you bring up some valid points but you also let your christian believes pollute your judgement(not a bad thing just makes it hard to see the truth[not litteral truth here i am not going to argue that the bible is wrong or god is not real going to argue on what I know]). couple o points for you Af:
1. Christanity is not the oldest religion.(what was there when the romans crucified Jesus?)
2. Cults are recgonized as religions by today standards. What don't belive me go down to the local army recuriting center and when you sign up there is an option under religion for druid....
3. No woman were included in the writing of the bible/men should be the head of the church and household. Okay thats just plain sexist. If woman should not have anything to do with religion why was Mary Magdelene said to be Jesus closet descipile(sp). There is also a 'lost' section of the bible that is mary magdelenes transcription. There are at least 2 chapels/churches that are dedicated to St. Magdelene.... Yes I am focusing on Mary Magedelenine quite a bit, but thats because she was the only female desciple(god someone help my spelling).
Orici, time for your turn. Your couple of points were also valid but you two are being blinded by your stubborness.
1. Just because science can provide us with some answers you can just blow off all religions.(yes I know your catholic).
2. If the Bible is false like you have so fervently argued then that means that tehre has been mass genocide, and some hell of some coincedences in history.(case and point science saying that a volcano erupting almost 3000 miles away from saddam and gamora(sp), causing the death of both cities.
Come Forth and Xeno. You both did a great job riding the fence but you still get caught up on one thing.
1. You keep arguing over how god would be imperfect and should he be perfect? Perfection in itself is unattainable but when compared to humans perfection is very attainable. to be perfect to us all you have to do is rid yourself of all flaws. your stuck on the whole sex thing. This is where xeno made a great point there is no difference in perfection between male and female. Come Forth yuor looking at it like perfection is more about being effecient then being perfect. But I do agree with come forth in that god would have o be neuter(without sex) why? well if it had a sec it would prefer one sex over the other. clearly it doesn't.
Now for some questions that I would like to have answered..... if anyone can help me with these.
1. Jesus is God's sun...So how can Jesus BE God?
2. God inciminated Mary to have Jesus...Soooo technicaly if Mary and Joseph have any more children they are brothers/sisters of Jesus. Thus making them related to God, Right?
3. Is it so hard to belive that Jesus Procreated while he was on Earth? I mean even the bible says that he was seen kissing Mary Magdeleine on the cheek and on the lips?
Yes I do not believe in the Bible and Yes I do believe the whole divinci code/holy blood holy grail theories.
Everything that I have said can be easily picked apart and thrown out and so forth and such. I am kinda playing devils advocate here pointing out flaws in all the theories.
And I shall leave on one last note. A great theologist once said:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
-- D. Adams, The Hitchikers Guide To The Galaxy
Let Me start by saying that I am a Bhuddist. I used to be a southern baptist.
Now Afentius you bring up some valid points but you also let your christian believes pollute your judgement(not a bad thing just makes it hard to see the truth[not litteral truth here i am not going to argue that the bible is wrong or god is not real going to argue on what I know]). couple o points for you Af:
1. Christanity is not the oldest religion.(what was there when the romans crucified Jesus?)
2. Cults are recgonized as religions by today standards. What don't belive me go down to the local army recuriting center and when you sign up there is an option under religion for druid....
3. No woman were included in the writing of the bible/men should be the head of the church and household. Okay thats just plain sexist. If woman should not have anything to do with religion why was Mary Magdelene said to be Jesus closet descipile(sp). There is also a 'lost' section of the bible that is mary magdelenes transcription. There are at least 2 chapels/churches that are dedicated to St. Magdelene.... Yes I am focusing on Mary Magedelenine quite a bit, but thats because she was the only female desciple(god someone help my spelling).
Orici, time for your turn. Your couple of points were also valid but you two are being blinded by your stubborness.
1. Just because science can provide us with some answers you can just blow off all religions.(yes I know your catholic).
2. If the Bible is false like you have so fervently argued then that means that tehre has been mass genocide, and some hell of some coincedences in history.(case and point science saying that a volcano erupting almost 3000 miles away from saddam and gamora(sp), causing the death of both cities.
Come Forth and Xeno. You both did a great job riding the fence but you still get caught up on one thing.
1. You keep arguing over how god would be imperfect and should he be perfect? Perfection in itself is unattainable but when compared to humans perfection is very attainable. to be perfect to us all you have to do is rid yourself of all flaws. your stuck on the whole sex thing. This is where xeno made a great point there is no difference in perfection between male and female. Come Forth yuor looking at it like perfection is more about being effecient then being perfect. But I do agree with come forth in that god would have o be neuter(without sex) why? well if it had a sec it would prefer one sex over the other. clearly it doesn't.
Now for some questions that I would like to have answered..... if anyone can help me with these.
1. Jesus is God's sun...So how can Jesus BE God?
2. God inciminated Mary to have Jesus...Soooo technicaly if Mary and Joseph have any more children they are brothers/sisters of Jesus. Thus making them related to God, Right?
3. Is it so hard to belive that Jesus Procreated while he was on Earth? I mean even the bible says that he was seen kissing Mary Magdeleine on the cheek and on the lips?
Yes I do not believe in the Bible and Yes I do believe the whole divinci code/holy blood holy grail theories.
Everything that I have said can be easily picked apart and thrown out and so forth and such. I am kinda playing devils advocate here pointing out flaws in all the theories.
And I shall leave on one last note. A great theologist once said:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
-- D. Adams, The Hitchikers Guide To The Galaxy