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Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:33 am
by [KMA]Avenger
i'm sorry, i dont deal in conspiracy theory's!
if you want to discuss a conspiracy theory theres a bigfoot topic you can discuss conspiacy theorys in
or maybe you could make a topic about loch ness or maybe you can make a topic about bin laden and 19 hijackers destroying 3 buildings with 2 planes.
thats what you call conspiracy's, i deal in facts and if you want to continue discussing facts then we can continue, otherwise make a topic where we can discuss fantasies.
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:54 am
by Demeisen
lol its not so much the facts that are in question, its the conclusions drawn from them.
there are a few places where theories can be discussed:
viewtopic.php?f=134&t=121723viewtopic.php?f=134&t=120315viewtopic.php?f=134&t=121715and ofcourse the bigfoot topic. havent posted there as im not sure what to think about that.
ive looked some things up and there are many events with theories surrounding them. tis common.
this is unrelated but you may find the vela incident interesting and typical of confusion and ambiguous findings. its strange and intrigueing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incidenti was looking on wikipedia and things could get way to complex with the superpower situation of the future. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pote ... powers.pnga US EU partnership could be very important then
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:38 pm
by SSG EnterTheLion
This is an extremely subjective debate..but here's some facts..
the American war of independence would not have been won if the Empire considered America more important than it's holdings in India. Britain's best troops were sent to India. Of course greed played a huge part. Imagine if you daily noticed the wealth displayed by the Indian maharajas, who basically carried their wealth with them when they went to war. The Brits, and for that matter the French sure wanted a huge piece of the action. So in short, no India= no USA.
When the USA was born, it had a great stroke of luck. Rich lands to spread out with alot of resources, unlike crowded old Europe. Any American who's visited Europe know of the average British home atleast being smaller. I own a huge house in Texas, which if it were situated in England, would go for a few million, yet it was bought for what one would pay for a half decent 2/3 bedroom house here.
When it comes to healthcare, Western Europe on a whole is a vastly preferable place to live. Whatever the NHS's faults, most people in the world are envious. The French medical system is the best in the world.
Depending on who you are, living in a welfare state is either vastly preferable or it's notl
As far as culture, there is no contest of course, but the US will in time have it's own culture.
For all that the USA has a much higher ratio of non whites in it's population, racism still exists. Much more so than in the UK, which is predominantly white.
As regards the military forces, American technology makes up the core of NATO forces, although one on one, atleast British troops are considered among the best in the world. I would agree that Europe needs to get it's house in order regarding it's own defence.
Now someone was boasting about the USA developing nukes and space travel. They don't seem to recall that the scientists who gave the US that were predominantly European. The early American rockets were based on V1 and V2 rockets that bombed Britain during WW2. Of course this is due to the efforts of Vernor Von Braun and his cadre of Nazi scientists brought over from Nazi Germany as part of Operations Overcast/Paperclip.
So basically, what sort of person you are will influence which of the above you prefer.
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:02 am
by Deaths_Rider
correct me if i'm wrong but you reserect a 6 mounth old topic to not take a side
anyway it's a stupid debate europe is too old the us too full of americans give me australia anyday
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:12 am
by [BoT] Jason
ok well i am from South Africa
Britian tried to colonize us from our dutch founders. as stated the Brits did kill the Zulus yet they are still around. P.S. britian lost that battle even though they had guns
well for the US. you guys started a war over oil...
you also are a very rascist nation
britian doesnt like the scotts. well thtas like you not liking your neighbour. its not rascist
So in actual fact i support neither of you and i now support netherlands
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:39 pm
by Mister Sandman
USA would be stuffed.
It doesnt matter how much fictional money you have, if UK and Europe,
say GTHO to USA with debts and such, smaller countries will do the same, thus domino effect.
The US military is no match for Europe.
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:56 pm
by Demeisen
Mister Sandman wrote:It doesnt matter how much fictional money you have, if UK and Europe,
say GTHO to USA with debts and such, smaller countries will do the same, thus domino effect.
that would destroy the world economy. now its only damaged. it would be a good way to hurt everyone, especially the poor and vulnerable.
Mister Sandman wrote:The US military is no match for Europe.
the US military is a match for europe. only the uk could fight them on equal footing. the USA's military spending, equipment and training are excellent. they have a veteran army that has soldiers experienced in hardcore combat.
if the UK fought on the side of the USA (which id prefer over the UK defending the EU), continental europe would get pwnd. maybe a book told you the USA is weak and you had to believe said book regardless of its truth
most of europe wont even fight. france would probably surrender, germany would probably invade poland by
accident.
who from europe fights the taleban? the UK and
maybe a couple more nations. all other countries hide from the actual combat. rather cowardly of them eh
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:17 pm
by Tek
Not read this thread so im gonna come across ignorant but meh.
Talking military wise how much do the USA utilise UK aircraft?
I know weve provided a couple of carriers aswell as the production of harrier jumpjets for you guys. Are they seen as tactically important?
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:43 pm
by Kit-Fox
If all of Europe banded together & I really do mean all of Europe (which includes russia) could get together under one banner then yes they could go toe-to-toe with the US.
It'll never happen though, the European nations are too fractured & hate each other too much due to their long histories with each other.
Besides why on earth would the US & Europe goto war?? you've heard of the marshall plan? the whole point was to make a war like that impossible & to a greater or lesser extent however much I personally disagree with the plan and its execution etc it has sort of worked, there hasnt yet been another WW because the European states couldnt resist fighting.
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:12 pm
by Mister Sandman
LiQuiD wrote:Mister Sandman wrote:It doesnt matter how much fictional money you have, if UK and Europe,
say GTHO to USA with debts and such, smaller countries will do the same, thus domino effect.
that would destroy the world economy. now its only damaged. it would be a good way to hurt everyone, especially the poor and vulnerable.
It would destroy the US economy. Economy of communist nations, socialist nations and poorer nations would slow, but not die.Also, you have to remember that the 'Monterey economy' is an illusionMister Sandman wrote:The US military is no match for Europe.
the US military is a match for europe. only the uk could fight them on equal footing. the USA's military spending, equipment and training are excellent. they have a veteran army that has soldiers experienced in hardcore combat.
Still no match for Europe... Russia, has an amazing military, Germany, is still strong, Australia, is the best military in the world. (This assuming that Australia gets called in under the commonwealth act. )
if the UK fought on the side of the USA (which id prefer over the UK defending the EU), continental europe would get pwnd. maybe a book told you the USA is weak and you had to believe said book regardless of its truth
A book didnt tell me the USA is weak, past wars told me USA is weak. Not only weak but unethical. Nukes are wrong in war. It should be a war crime, even scientists who built the first nuke didn't want mass production of those arms.most of europe wont even fight. france would probably surrender, germany would probably invade poland by
accident.
who from europe fights the taleban? the UK and
maybe a couple more nations. all other countries hide from the actual combat. rather cowardly of them eh
Taliban pfft, terrorism pfft, it is rather an illusion for America. Got to Israel then you will witness car bombings every day.
It is over sensationalised.
And to think of it, I recon that USA does commit terrorists acts on a global scale, to themselves infact.
The true funny thing is, it wouldn't be just USA vs Europe. If that ever happens, it would be USA plus a few brought African and Asian states vs the rest of the world.
Latin America hates USA, China would go oh gooddie USA is weaker lets get back Tiwan, and have a go, Japan would be like, your on your own buddy, S. Korea would be like 'oh s**t', N. Korea would be like Wooooot
and Australia and New Zealand would be like 'WTH mate'
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:57 pm
by KnowLedge
Europe is better in terms of history and wealth.. but USA is where the everything at, so i dk. personally, i rather live in europe
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:17 pm
by Jack
Tek wrote:Talking military wise how much do the USA utilise UK aircraft?
None. The AV-8B Harrier II was a co-oped project between the U.S. and the U.K. Hell, the U.K. even backed out of the project, causing McDonnell Douglas to go back to the drawing board and redesign the Harrier to what is now the Harrier II. Not to mention that it has been made obsolete now, thanks to the F-35B. Which every other country is still waiting on their own allotment.
Tek wrote:I know weve provided a couple of carriers aswell as the production of harrier jumpjets for you guys. Are they seen as tactically important?
That's not true, we build our own carriers, same with the AV-8B Harrier II. America's Harrier IIs are built by McDonnell Douglas.
lol @
Kit-Fox wrote:If all of Europe banded together & I really do mean all of Europe (which includes russia) could get together under one banner then yes they could go toe-to-toe with the US.
Kinda pathetic, really.
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:20 pm
by CRASSUS
Kit-Fox wrote:If all of Europe banded together & I really do mean all of Europe (which includes russia) could get together under one banner then yes they could go toe-to-toe with the US..
Why do you guys get Europe? can we have North America?
Cause you screw with American military fed by taco's and using canadian socialized medicine and you're doomed.
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:22 pm
by KnowLedge
Canada > Europe > USA
ps. just wait till ww3, we will see who is better. NA or EU!
Re: UK & Europe vs USA
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:25 pm
by Kit-Fox
Jack wrote:lol @
Kit-Fox wrote:If all of Europe banded together & I really do mean all of Europe (which includes russia) could get together under one banner then yes they could go toe-to-toe with the US.
Kinda pathetic, really.
Its more to do with population figures that really rather than professional fighting forces. I mean I am assuming that in such an event conscripts would be used.
The US has a large population even when compared to that of Europe, especially when you limit that to those able to fight.
Manpower wise that is, after all European countries are somewhat smaller than the US.
Technologically wise it'd be a somewhat pointless comparison, we'd just lob nukes at each other and be done with it. lets face it we can kill each other many hundreds of times over already
