Limitation for perg.

[doc holliday]

He can not be taken down, but his weakness is in his friends. Western Warrior you have sabbed my defense once again
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I've gone ahead and massed Sylus and Teus' motherships. If you keep sabbing me I will ac through their defenses as well. You may have covert 41 and rank 1 mothership, but your friends can still suffer the consequences of your actions.

[thorsworld1]

Whats a turtle ?

Turtle: Someone who adopts a defensive strategy, and attempts to bunker in behind defences, in the case of Gatewars, that player also tends to produce enough naq to get attention.

By your very own arguement then with Western, I too do not have time to play, I too have a life outside SGW and is it my fault that I worked on my income rather than my covert levels, after all I can only EARN my covert levels with per turn income

Perg needs fixing, just because someone makes a good income because of the way they built their planets and then puts more into defending the income, FOR THE SAME REASON WHAT YOU MENTION THEY ARE NOT AROUND ENOUGHT TIME TO BANK IT.

So I'll summarise this argument: Perg needs fixing because players shouldn't lose their naq because they invested in defending it.

No. not saying people should not lose their naq, if you put enough in to defend it you would expect to be able to save it, in the case in question it does not matter how much defense you have it gets sabbed away with a level 41, perg was never intended to be ruled by one person and a couple of their friends

PEW PEW PEW. Holes. Etc.

Your argument can be thrown back at you, I for one cannot throw $$ at this game which is why I have been trying to sell my account, because I thought I could play in perg and now forced to play in main all because 1 person says they will do what they want just at a whim for no reason other than because they can do it to ANYONE with little or no consequence, remember those who put most of their army to defend their income will not be able to build to attack in other words lose lose

Which one? And how? Be specific, I cannot add rebuttal if I don't know what you're arguing.

Pretty obvious I thought, I had to use most of my army size to build enough defense to keep my income and as many covert ops in the hope it would slow down the sabs, which by the way was totaly worthless against my 36 covert level

You can't spend money on your account? Big deal. I, Sylus, Have not spent a dollar on my account, as reflected by my overall poor stats.

Well luckely we are not talking about you, but I bet you do get something just by being friends, and no I am not complaining about it, just noting it is very likely you get something, either help defending or resources what ever it may be

What you need to say in order for anyone to argue with you, is what you expectations are playing this game, and whether they reflect the broader themes of this; namely, war. I just don't get why anyone wants an income, I wake up daily and I've been farmed and I think to myself "Sylus, if you weren't such a lazy player, you'd do something to stop yourself being farmed; like, getting rid of my income which I don't need, or ever see..."

See what I'm saying? Or am I being obtuse?

This is not war, this is just someone who can just ruin someones day just because they can, most wars are about something, not in this case

Perg needs tweeking simple as that

No. It isn't as simple as that; nor has it ever been. People losing stats and crying our for game changes come off being highly selfish, and in game terms, naive.

There is always a reason for change, just look at the income planet changes, I used to be nearly 500m army size when they did the planet income thing I changed my whole game play to adapt, I came to perg to be able to work on defending my planets, only to find that someone could take a 1.6t defended planet in only 3 turns, in main that would not of happened because such actions would of got them canned, not possible in perg because anyone who could of taken on Westerns mothership was too large to go into perg

To be honest, Main players shouldn't make suggestions for perg and ViceVersa

Why not thats what the forum is for

[Sylus]

Forgive me for not quoting.

Hmm, I would argue that the level at which WW's account is game breaking. I think there's a lag between his current levels, and active players (norm players) and I think any game changes to change how a realm functions will be very short sighted. And proposals made here have been.

Perg tends to be subject to a lot of debate, and the static historic nature of the realm meant it functioned more or less as it was supposed to despite what others thought. However I think the last 12-24 months has seen the introduction of far too many multipliers, and alterations to the game that the entire game's balance has been thrown out the window. I'd be up for Perg circa 2009, as I feel that that was near the end of the golden days of perg, where it was a slower, less individualistic realm. Maelstrom amusingly kept the realm fairly secure. It still took about 6-8 players to mass someone, and no single player could completely hold their own. But that era is gone, and I don't think sanctions against perg as a whole deal with what obviously has some people riled.

Forgive me if my frustrations in my earlier posts made me seem retarded. Too many arguments regarding perg from outside players tends to make me write posts like it's one long continuous debate.

@ Doc Holliday, his friends don't really care, nor does he care too much about his friends' accounts. If massing our terrible motherships made you happy, then please, do whatever it takes to stay happy.

@Thor everything you've argued still makes me feel it's an issue of your expectations vs game reality.

[Borek]

Well if you don't like the suggestion to limit sabbing Sylus i'd have to say OOE+ ascension level accounts and/or anyone with covert 38 should be insta-booted from perg. At that point an account is strong enough to stand on it's own merits in main and that leaves perg for people with less time to play and/or somewhere to ascend without the threats from ultra-high levels making the game unplayable should some douche-bag decide to make their lives miserable just because they can.

If someone plays just to force people out the game it is damaging to the entire game and sooner or later Admin is going to have to do something about it. The game is more important than just 1 player.

[Teus]

He can not be taken down, but his weakness is in his friends. Western Warrior you have sabbed my defense once again
I've gone ahead and massed Sylus and Teus' motherships. If you keep sabbing me I will ac through their defenses as well. You may have covert 41 and rank 1 mothership, but your friends can still suffer the consequences of your actions.

Come at me all day every day bro. It makes the game much more interesting.

First time I've had a read of this thread. Message I'm getting isn't so much that Perg is broken, it's that people believe Western Warriors account is broken. A bigger guy hitting on smaller accounts. Boo-hoo. Doc holiday has a much bigger account than me. I'm fine with him hitting me. It's motivation to improve. I grabbed a few drinks with Western Warrior just the other day. If I left a good bit of Naq out, he'd still hit me for it.

I've seen plenty of game updates to perg. Each time it has just meant adapting playing style to suit the changes. If a new change comes along, so be it. I do miss the days when five or six of us from Maelstrom had to work together to get something done. Everybody cried foul then too (for the record, five or six people working together could take down WW right now). Maybe if an update does come along we'd go back to that

Out of curiosity; how many people posting here play in perg? I do.

[Sylus]

The sabbing is already reduced in purgatory, most recently, and coupled with the army size restriction. It has to be reduced again?

And what about those people who like to play in purgatory, and have been for the better part of 4 years whom both prefer the style of play, and are slowly building their accounts. Just give them the ultimatum "Play like we want you to or quit the game?"

Because that's what those restrictions are going to pose to me. And I've tried norm, I prefer purgatory. I wont play norm because these same issues that people are upset about in purgatory exist in norm, just without any limitation placed on them.

@Teus, if they put purgatory back to existing on the 2007-2009 era, I'd be happy as can be.

PS. Who's trying to make people quit the game?

[Borek]

Difference is now the ultimatum is being made by 1 player, not the game admin. Of course he's your bud so you don't see it.

[Sylus]

Let's not confuse any potential bias. My bias is not because I'm friends with WW, but because my account in purgatory is potentially at risk of being forced out.

Western Warrior with a 41 covert and big MS hits players whom either possess a high stat worth destroying, or high naq worth taking. Oh I dare say there's a bit more of a difference than you claim.

[Borek]

Oh believe me i have had my run ins with WW before and i can assure you that the version of events you claim is far from the truth. When i was playing a brand new account several years ago and in perg i was sabbed out by him because "i was farming his farms".

Back then he had a fairly weak account, i dread to think what an ass he is being with the beast he currently controls.

[Sylus]

So, that would be your bias then in this conversation?

[Borek]

No different than yours mate, just the other side. Back when he had a crappy LG and a 1.2t MS it was less of a problem though, i just did what i always planned and left perg because back then it was not so easy to get AT's and even though the farming and raiding was better i was able to grow 50x faster in main. Was just a severe disappointment that an unascended brand new account was bullied within 24 hrs of entry into the perg realm.

As i say, dread to think what a douchebag he is being with that beast of an account he has now, it's just not healthy for a game with a shrinking population to let that sort of behaviour go on unchecked. He is likely to become a victim of his own greed and lust for power.

[Teus]

I started playing the game again two months ago. New unascended account. WW knew who I was cos I'd contacted him. First thing he did was declare war and attack me just to say "hi". I saw the funny side. It's a game.

However much bullying you think is going on, it happens in norm too. Only difference is that it isn't one account there (I did once play in norm, it happened plenty). Much more damage can be done in norm too.

Further more, I've had plenty of hate mail to my little unascended account for playing like a bully. Should I be nerfed too? Made something less than unascended?

The thing that attracted me to perg in the first place was the lack of politics. NAPS and gang wars left right and centre.
It's not a crime to play a game, find a random target and click "attack".

Maybe we need a knew thread where we can all talk about feelings?

[Bromas]

He can not be taken down, but his weakness is in his friends. Western Warrior you have sabbed my defense once again
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I've gone ahead and massed Sylus and Teus' motherships. If you keep sabbing me I will ac through their defenses as well. You may have covert 41 and rank 1 mothership, but your friends can still suffer the consequences of your actions.

Doc, I've never loved you as much as I do now. Anyway, who's sad enough to spend all those $$ and go to perg?

[Teus]

People have spent more coin than WW. And cash play's been done in perg too . I know this guy personally. It's not just $ that has given him a good account. He's methodical and thinks about what he's doing.
I AM NOT. He's told me how to get an account like his and I'm just simply too lazy and impulsive to do it. It's lie Richard Branson writing a book on how to get rich like him. Most of us just don't have the discipline to do it. I respect WW account cos I know he's put thought and effort into it.

As for Doc, while I'm fully aware you haven't made such claims, the picking on the little guy argument goes out the window with you. After WW, you are easy the next biggest thing in perg. I'm not saying this cos you've targeted me. In fact I say bravo. It's exactly the same thing I would of done if I was in your position. And by being under pressure from a bigger account I can only learn how to play better. This is not a bad thing. It's why we play the game

This thread has two themes going, reasonable up to date revision of rules for perg. While the other is whining about WW having a bigger account than me.
Things can always be improved, and tweaking perg to make it a bonafide choice to either players wanting a regularly slower pace of game play, or get on their feet when begging is fine. All this bollocks about WW being broken though is getting real old for me. He's made a damn good account, for how he want's to play the game, and barely abuses it to the extent that's being claimed. I know some of you will disagree with that statement, but trust me, If I was at the helm you'd have a much worse troll to deal with.

And to finish off, again I'd like to ask how many of those stating perg is broken actually play in perg? Used to be the number one alliance was a perg alliance. Not any more. Used to be that page 1 had a healthy number of perg accounts. Not anymore. Are there people playing in perg right now new to the game that feel they're getting a raw deal and don't know what to do? Send me a PM. I'm happy to give some pointers while admitting I'm no expert.

Rant aside, If there are going to be suggestions as to how changes should be made to perg, basing them around the statistics and achievements of a single account seems frivolous to me.

Do discuss, but please give a rationale other than WW is too strong.

[Bromas]

I still think that it's reasonable for no Glory Shop items or abilities to be available in perg. J has told me multiple times that perg is for slower play and not meant to be any massing/fighting