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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:43 pm
by Afentius
I want you Semper to give me 1 example that the Bible was proven wrong, and prove it to me (links, whatever)
then, I want you to give me 1 example that "Missing links" were found. Not the MILLIONS that it would take (Along with the billions of bones that we would have already found), just 1.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:51 pm
by Osi
Noah flood story missing links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood
and to prove the bible wrong
microwave scan of the big bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WMAP.jpg
also
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:05 pm
by semper
thnx orici! there ya go sunshine...even...even if i couldnt prove it wrong..hod do u answer the question of god and its actions? the mere claim..that the bible makes of god being a him..is already a big NONo....
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:06 pm
by cmd903
just so you know, anyone can post anything on wikepedia.com, so don't believe everything u read off there. there's a lot of lies and false truths.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:52 pm
by Afentius
wow, the universe is expanding. Wow. No news... doesn't prove the Bible wrong at all. lets see... Noah.... hmm I don't have time to read all of that, but what I say is... wiki is written by people such as you and me, who will lie to prove a point. Also, its been proven that the flood happened so many times its insane... example- the ark has been found (I don't have the link on me atm) also how else do you explain fossils on the top of Mt. Everest? Not evolution... thanks for providing those missing links / and or proving the Bible wrong to me. And CMD... if you don't have facts, don't post. I don't want to rip on you, but... thanks
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:34 pm
by Apadizamek
Afentius wrote:wow, the universe is expanding. Wow. No news... doesn't prove the Bible wrong at all. lets see... Noah.... hmm I don't have time to read all of that, but what I say is... wiki is written by people such as you and me, who will lie to prove a point. Also, its been proven that the flood happened so many times its insane... example- the ark has been found (I don't have the link on me atm) also how else do you explain fossils on the top of Mt. Everest? Not evolution... thanks for providing those missing links / and or proving the Bible wrong to me. And CMD... if you don't have facts, don't post. I don't want to rip on you, but... thanks
theres no artifacts upon the top of mount everest, and even if they are they could be put by people who got up there, when everest was you know smaller!
also, the ark has not been found, a boat that old needing to be in the confines of a desert to be preserved
the parting of the red sea? easily doable with a strong enough eastern wind or was it western? either way with a powerful enough fan and wind i can part the red sea
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:03 pm
by Afentius
Apadamek wrote:Afentius wrote:wow, the universe is expanding. Wow. No news... doesn't prove the Bible wrong at all. lets see... Noah.... hmm I don't have time to read all of that, but what I say is... wiki is written by people such as you and me, who will lie to prove a point. Also, its been proven that the flood happened so many times its insane... example- the ark has been found (I don't have the link on me atm) also how else do you explain fossils on the top of Mt. Everest? Not evolution... thanks for providing those missing links / and or proving the Bible wrong to me. And CMD... if you don't have facts, don't post. I don't want to rip on you, but... thanks
theres no artifacts upon the top of mount everest, and even if they are they could be put by people who got up there, when everest was you know smaller!
also, the ark has not been found, a boat that old needing to be in the confines of a desert to be preserved
the parting of the red sea? easily doable with a strong enough eastern wind or was it western? either way with a powerful enough fan and wind i can part the red sea
wow, you attack the Bible, and then you defend it... I don't understand. Anyways...
the ark - yes its been found, on the Mountain of Aarat... (sp?) And whats this about a desert? I don't know where you got that... anyways, artifacts. I dont' know if there are or not, that was rather random of you to post. I said that there are fossels on the top of that mountain, and in deserts, everywere - indicating a major catastiphy (The flood being the most obvious). Also, the wind thing... true, Strong enough wind, you're right! But that would never happen on this earth without Devine Intervention, isn't it wonderful how our God showed his power over nature!?!
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:07 pm
by Apadizamek
the boat would need to be in the preserving power of a desert otherwise the wood of over ten thousand years would be ashes by now, also hoping that nomads didn't use it for firewood
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:09 pm
by CthulhuSpawn
For the record they have never proven its the Ark on Mount Ararat. I believe they found a single piece of wood and carbon dated it to about the 100's AD. And the government of Turkey is refusing to let anyone else on the Mountain.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:09 pm
by Afentius
Apadamek wrote:the boat would need to be in the preserving power of a desert otherwise the wood of over ten thousand years would be ashes by now, also hoping that nomads didn't use it for firewood
on the top of a mountain - firewood
LOL Thats a good one
and ashes when its always -50 degrees far.? LOL also
I'm off for the night
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:10 pm
by Afentius
CthulhuSpawn wrote:For the record they have never proven its the Ark on Mount Ararat. I believe they found a single piece of wood and carbon dated it to about the 100's AD. And the government of Turkey is refusing to let anyone else on the Mountain.
very true, the finders were Christians, entirely trustworthy, but because they were, the world has written them off, unjustly
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:11 pm
by Apadizamek
Afentius wrote:Apadamek wrote:the boat would need to be in the preserving power of a desert otherwise the wood of over ten thousand years would be ashes by now, also hoping that nomads didn't use it for firewood
on the top of a mountain - firewood
LOL Thats a good one
and ashes when its always -50 degrees far.? LOL also
I'm off for the night
on the top of a mountain yes
its a little country oh i dunno called Tibet they live on tops of mountains and if some giant boat was made and these guys found it, it be firewood.
also, -50? ok sorry splintered beyond all recognition.,
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:17 pm
by The Xeno
This probably is not the place for a theological debate.
Meh, shaitan can split it into This and That.
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Semper,
What does a Deity's gender have to do with the validity of its existence? It may impact the converts, but if there is a God, whether or not it is male, female, neuter, or Michael Jackson will make no difference to it's reality.
That issue only comes up when comparing religions, and is based on the assumption that there is a God. If you are atheist, I don't see how you can fall back on it, and if you are of a religion; there are plenty of exhaustive texts dealing with women and their inclusion/role in the traditional and 'modern' Christian church/community.
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Orici;
Dismissing the story of the flood through the local-theory provides problems. Creationist arguments span the spectrum, and have answers ranging from clever word plays, to ocean-floor sediment research (iirc). At the end of the day, proving whether or not there was a local flood, or a global miracle doesn't really affect the Christian Religion.
It would be much more proof to show that heaven doesn't exist,
or that souls don't exist. If you do that, faith will be out of the picture.
But until empirical science has disproved the supernatural, something that is inherently impossible, there will always be a place for faith.
I have chosen to try and follow the Teachings and Traditions of the Orthodox Christian Church, as I believe it provides the best definition and compass for ideas such as ‘morality’ and ‘justice’ and ‘heaven’ and ‘virtue’. If you wish to debate those definitions, find a religion.
Debating whether or not a God exists is ultimately futile, as you will never be able to disprove. Whereas for those of us who believe, all the proof we need is the grass; electro-magnetic particles that it may be.
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But again, i'm not sure if this is the place for a theological exploration.
This is about the bible, and while Christianity is tied to it, surely some of the concepts about morality and human nature rank among the greatest of philosophers. A discussion that would only involve religion in a very indirect way.
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CthulhuSpawn... there is also petrifaction
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:18 pm
by CthulhuSpawn
Actually if an object, wood in this case, was covered in snow and then left there to continually be buried in snow it would be fine for ages. As long as it doesnt heat up to the point of the ice melting it could in theroy last forever.
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:20 pm
by Come_Forth
Even if they found the Ark it would not be big news to me, the fact that someone built a huge boat on a mountain would not make me believe in the divine.
I think that this thread is pointless because a Christian believes that God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Any of these weak proofs against the Bible could be countered by the average Christian just with some basic Christian logic.
Since you all are talking about the flood a good essay on the problems is found here
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html. The problem with pointing out problems is the fact that I stated earlier, God could get around the problems since he is GOD!
