Rules and You?

[Groupthink]

It's exploiting a flaw in the design of the rules/game. The bank clearly states what it's maximum is and how you can increase it (training miners). Prior to the trades going directly into the bank I don't recall anyone getting taken serious when they complained that there should be a way to ignore the bank limit. And whatever you think should be allowed or is unfair to the little guy, doesn't change that some thing is wrong.

The change was put in so that people could trade for Naq without having to worry about it being accepted while they were offline, not to allow people to more easily accumulate large amounts of Naq. Using the broker to go over the limit on AT was possible for a while. People were exploiting that, so it was eventually fixed.

I'm not sure if I've ever gone over the bank limit, but I would consider it cheating if I intentionally made a trade that would put me over the limit. For a while I assumed that anything over my bank limit would sit out in the open. Turns out that's not how it works, but it could tomorrow since its current function is being exploited.

Thank you and may the good news be yours,
Groupthink

[Vendetta]

that would just cause a giant hastle for those of us that make more on PPT than we can hold in our banks.

[S T I]

It's exploiting a flaw in the design of the rules/game. The bank clearly states what it's maximum is and how you can increase it (training miners). Prior to the trades going directly into the bank I don't recall anyone getting taken serious when they complained that there should be a way to ignore the bank limit. And whatever you think should be allowed or is unfair to the little guy, doesn't change that some thing is wrong.

The change was put in so that people could trade for Naq without having to worry about it being accepted while they were offline, not to allow people to more easily accumulate large amounts of Naq. Using the broker to go over the limit on AT was possible for a while. People were exploiting that, so it was eventually fixed.

I'm not sure if I've ever gone over the bank limit, but I would consider it cheating if I intentionally made a trade that would put me over the limit. For a while I assumed that anything over my bank limit would sit out in the open. Turns out that's not how it works, but it could tomorrow since its current function is being exploited.

Thank you and may the good news be yours,
Groupthink

I don't want to be rude but this is rubbish,

new players come to me & ask how do they get on in the game, i tell them to raid, then use the BM to trade for naq to by turns to raid more & to put their up up but to keep some uu back (growth).

How the hell would this be possible with the prices as they are, they would have to buy like 100 turns at a time & raid the same, they woud be like having to trade every few minutes if this was possible. they would quickly say this game is totally f###ed.

when i was growing & buying uu, i always said to player to broker me so the naq went into their bank (so it was not lost, many others also did this, it has always been done like this on trades, how you never knew about it i don't know. It was said about when the broker system was brough out.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i agree with you S T I, as it is this benefits the smaller guy allot, if its changed it will benefit the medium to big guys, that would result in total imbalance!

imagine you have a newbie who has just traded some UU for a tonne of naq, how is someone to know this guy has made a trade and to let him be?
who would not farm that in an instant??

so i say again, its not cheating so leave it alone


any chance we can get back on topic?

[Zeratul]

Tamper data? (got a link to where that's explained?

Data tampering sounds like cheating at first glance.



Regards,

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[Se7en]

It's not cheating because the administration still allows you to do it. If the administration doesn't know that the ability to 'overbank' exists, then wow, thats kinda sad.

planet stealing and then abandoning isn't against the rules either.

most of the people who cry about planet abandoning are those who thought they would be safe with only 100 defenses on their really nice planet

[Flavar]

For me its clear that after this result we need an clear clarifitaction.

So that everybody knows whats ok and what not

[RobinInDaHood]

I think the over bank "feature" needs to be closed up. If you don't have the bank to hold it, it sits out in the open or you spend it.

If the current "feature" is to be left in place, the limit on the bank size should be removed altogether as it's purpose has been made obsolete.

[Bad Wolf]

I dont do this bank 'trick' but I know MANY people who do, and I belive there is nothing wrong with it. If you can do it in the game [ and trust me Admin knows you can do it ] you should be able to do it without silly threads poping up like this one.

BW

[Chris M]

I would look at it as an opportunity, why not introduce a type of raid that hits only extra money in a persons bank? (Along with the ability to spy on that extra amount.)

My bank (and many others) says

Maximum Safe Capacity for Empire Stronghold

my not finally make it unsafe to go over the limit. i suggested this before i think, or atleast thought about it somewhen and forgot to post or something. valid point

[Emma Desala]

Yes! That's IT!




Safe. You know, "Safe" as in "Vault".
As in "under lock and key". As in a big metal chest with nothing in it but GOLD. I always looked at it like above.

In that light, just stop at the max capacity. They shut down the mines after all, when there's no space to store the stuff?



Regards,

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

theres a price to over banking...u have to find someone and send the naq and set up the broker all the time which gets kinda sucks....

not really a bug/cheating

[Emma Desala]

I thought it was a feature too.

Anyway. Hey SGC_Rep, let's play a little scamming game. I have NO FSS.

Let's set up an overbanking trade! You'll have to send me 999billion though, because my broker is full.
I'll keep it until I can broker it back.


Stupid scam. Won't ever work. Someone tried that, not going to mention name. That was a joker.



Regards,

[Flavar]

I dont do this bank 'trick' but I know MANY people who do, and I belive there is nothing wrong with it. If you can do it in the game [ and trust me Admin knows you can do it ] you should be able to do it without silly threads poping up like this one.

BW

Next time do me the favor and read the topic. It was a good discussion even if it couldnot lead to an changing of views it still made clear how many others see it.

If this is stupid what should one be allowed to post. I could very well do without your constant insults of my behavior

[Xeen]

There really many inaccurancies in rules and game mechanic.
So hard to answer where cheating starts and where ends.
Some examples:

1. Overbanking - not officially forbidden but commonly uded - you cannot do that by standart "put naq to bank" - Of course, there is restriction - you need SS to overbanking -so it means it is not alowed by rules or it is?
Cheat or not?
= if it is not allowed then game can check overbanking in trading and move naq above banksize to hands.

2. Sending UUS without deserters - Standart way you will lose 5% because of dessertions. It is also common and not officially forbidden to send UUS via broker before ascend but reciever rejects that after ascends and no 5% + 5% (back sending)
Cheat or not?
= if it is not allowed then game can take 5% of deserters in time of setting broker - not in time of accepting

3. More than 2 PPTS per week - If you wil ascend you got +1 free PPT but still can use 2 more PPTs via market. But at market is written you can use only 3 donations and 2 PPTs.
Cheat or not?
= if it is not allowed then game can forbide you ascend if you have no free PPT left and if you ascend then remove you 1 PPT for that

4. No NAQ Lose - If you are ascended you wil not have any NAQ lose via moving naq into bank. But on bank page is still written "(5% of deposit taken as a transaction cost)".
Cheat, bug or inaccurancy only?
= I think only inacurancy so changing text to (5% of deposit taken as a transaction cost if you are not goauld or ascended being)

5. Multiying - with no discuss. It is forbidden by game rules but unfortunatelly still common

6. Hacking to account - with no discuss. It is forbidden by game rules.

7. Planetstealers - i mean single account - planet stealers - who exist for only dammaging others - often enemies from past etc. You know, they need only naq for fleets.
Bug or simply not well ballanced mechanic or admin purpose?
It can be changed by various choices:
A- add "crew" to fleets - you need at least 100 masseable units (defenders) to maintan each 1 fleet - it can increase expenses for planet stealers.
B - If planet is abandoned within 24hours protected mode it is automatically moved back to previous owner.
Or Im sure many of us are able to find alot new and maybe better possibilites


There are many others cheats/bugs/inacurancies or unoficial features like Over-turns, 4 market trades instead of proclamed 3, Over-massing throught NOX/realm alert, selling resources via unsupported official channells or trading ingame resources fo money within players. What is allowed feature and what is misusage of bug? Everything except 5-6 can be taken as bug and as feature as well. It really deppends on each user how he feel that.

But only admin can remove some of those "bugs/features" by his programming skill or if it is not possible because of various obstacles he can specify it better like at bank page "overbanking by any form is considered as cheat"

I hope you understand mine bad english