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[KMA]Avenger wrote:the pictures i have posted are meant to remind us that no matter who is right or wrong and who did what to who, its always the civilians that suffer the most.
a civilian is a civilian no mater what side they are on.
my bad i should have made it clear from the outset.

Brdavs wrote:

Thriller wrote:

urogard wrote:

Thriller wrote:I disagree.. with a few points. 1) Washington is probably not backing Georgia because they have their own problems right now. The COLD WAR IS OVER!!!

Maybe the cold war is over, but the neo-colonialist+neo-imperialist foreign policy of the USA remains.
And by saying that you have most likely no clue about political strategies and common sense. A tiny country will never go provoking a superpower without knowing it has the backing of another strong country.

Thriller wrote:Russia has a declining population, declining standard of living(this is starting to Flatten out) and has a potential aids epidemic on their hands. The war being started by Russian influence makes more sense because they have a growing descent growing amongst their people over the declining living standards and increased mortality rate.

You seriously need to get some fresh air and need to read up on some real information instead of the right wing several decades old propaganda.

nvm, i forgot that russians also smell of vinegar, wash their beards with vodka, even woman have beards and they fluoridate your water to make you more succeptible to brainwashing.

Thriller wrote:Can you think of a better way of instilling national pride then defeating an aggressor army and liberating a region from invaders(WWII....?). If you knew the history of the region though you would know that this conflict has been brewing for quite sometime so its no surprise it went off. Russia will probably win this war and get back some of its pride, which just maybe the kick start they need to get their country out of what i consider the tail end of the Russian Great depression.

I know the history of a lot of regions quite well, most likely even better than you. Why? I have my reasons.

And again you have no understanding of russian mentality because of it I'll explain you a simple concept even I hold on to.
There are 2 types of people, one who constantly needs to proove to others their strength in order to keep up their pride and show how tough they are, i.e. Georgia. And there are the kind of people who know how strong they are, they know they don't have to care and they really don't care about what others think of them. They also don't need to proove anything to themselves but they will hold their ground when some idiot from group 1 goes and annoys them year after year and finally crosses the border by attacking their troops without any good reason.

haha everything i stated about Russia is fact dimwit. Read a book

here are some sources plz provide your own to support your own ridiculous claims.

Declining population and unemployment trends
http://www.rand.org/pubs/conf_proceedin ... chap2.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_20339797

Aids epidemic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1043675.stm
http://www.aidsonline.com/pt/re/aids/ab ... 28!8091!-1

You have got to be kidding me. Seriously.

First off an aging populous is a hallmark of a post war baby boom generation getting old. And it is no indication of economical success. Scratch that, the older the populous and the fewer the children it produces the more "well off" society seems to be. Case in point is Europe, the aging demographics of the past 2 decades did not seem to hurt us *that* much lol. You want a 30year average with 5 kids per woman? I suggest you look to the Saharan desert. Fact of life.

As far as stuff like unemployment goes... you could start by updating your sources by I dunno 10 years You`re operating with charts that ed at 1997 for Christ sake lol! That's the basic of your "conclusions"? Logic escapes you BIG time. By your standards USD is still the strongest currency around. For fracks sake at least try I doono looking it up on Wikipedia if you cant do better. And look at the pictures displaying GDP, Debt, trade surplus, n of graduates investments etc.

And Aids is without a cure still you know heh? You got "epidemic" fears all over the world. Speaking of it I wonder when the non discriminating US will let aids infected ppl enter the country heh...


But since you prolly wont be bothered by checking all the sources in that wikipedia article I`ll just pitch you one you should be worshiping:

Dated May 30, 2008
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/106151.pdf

and if you`re too lazy for that still:

[spoiler]

Summary
The Russian economy has grown impressively since 1999 and, by some
measures, has been one of the fastest growing economies in the world. The growth
has brought an improvement in the standard of living of the average Russian citizen
and has brought economic stability that Russia had not experienced in at least a
decade. This strong performance is a major factor in the popular support that former
President (now Prime Minister) Putin enjoys– some 70%-80% of the population view
him favorably. The improvement in the Russian economy is also arguably a factor
in the boldness with which the Putin leadership has reasserted Russia’s status as a
world power, challenging the United States, Europe, the other former Soviet states
in economic and national security areas.
The Russian economy is highly dependent on the production and export of oil,
gas, and other natural resources. Its success has largely been the result of recordbreaking
world energy prices, although prudent fiscal policies have also helped to
promote economic stability. However, oil dependence could prove to be a doubleedged
sword. The Putin regime’s failure to complete important economic reforms
and its penchant for re-asserting government control over key economic sectors also
loom among the possible roadblocks down the road. How Putin’s successor,
President Dmitriy Medvedev, will proceed is still a matter of speculation.

Although its influence has been greatly diminished since the Soviet period,
Russia remains a formidable force on the global stage, and its influence seems to be
growing. Russia’s economy is large enough to influence global economic conditions.
Many European countries and former Soviet states are highly dependent on Russian
natural gas. Russia is a significant player on a number of issues critical to the United
States, for example, nuclear proliferation by Iran and North Korea. Russia’s
perceived national interests do not always match those of the United States, creating
an environment for disagreement if not conflict.
While U.S. exports to Russia are still relatively small, for some producers, such
as poultry, energy equipment, and technology, Russia is an important market. Russia
is also an important supplier of a number of raw materials that are critical to U.S.
manufacturers. These links have drawn the attention of some Members of Congress.
Hearings have recently been held on Russian economic performance and policies.
Congress may consider in the near future whether to extend permanent normal trade
relations (PNTR) status to Russia as Russia pursues accession to the World Trade
Organization (WTO). This report on Russian economic conditions and policies will
be updated as events warrant.

Part directly responding to your claims about living standard & unemployment:

As Figure 1 and Table 2 show, Russia has experienced strong economic growth
over the last nine years (1999-2007), during which time its GDP has increased 6.9%
on average per year in contrast to an average annual decline in GDP of 6.8% during
the previous seven years (1992-1998). The positive GDP trends are reflected in other
measurements that point to an improved Russian standard of living throughout the
period. Average real wages in Russia increased 10.5% per year from 1999-2007.
(Real wages actually increased 14.7% from 2000-2007, having declined by 23.2%
in 1999 because of spike in inflation that year.) In addition, real disposable income
(the income that the average Russian resident has available from all sources after
taxes) increased 10.7% from 2000 to 2007 (8.5% from 1999 to 2007). The Russian
unemployment rate has also declined during the 1999-2007 period, from 12.6% to
6.2%.

All I can add is lulz, get up to date.[/spoiler]

Now if you`re gonna cry in a corner over this burst bubble of yours, I can give you a hankie.

Russian forces enter Georgia from the breakaway region of Abkhazia as the conflict between the neighbours appears to broaden

LiQuiD wrote:urogard was off topic along with everyone else methinks.

Russian forces enter Georgia from the breakaway region of Abkhazia as the conflict between the neighbours appears to broaden

WTH! why!!!!!! this is retarded

Lois Lane wrote:WTH! why!!!!!! this is retarded

LiQuiD wrote:urogard was off topic along with everyone else methinks.

Russian forces enter Georgia from the breakaway region of Abkhazia as the conflict between the neighbours appears to broaden

WTH! why!!!!!! this is retarded

urogard wrote:

LiQuiD wrote:urogard was off topic along with everyone else methinks.

Russian forces enter Georgia from the breakaway region of Abkhazia as the conflict between the neighbours appears to broaden

WTH! why!!!!!! this is retarded

ehm because gerogians attacked the region of abkhazia just like they did with south ossetia.

Now initially the russians basically offered the georgians to GTHO immediately and return to status quo without any incidents.

The georgians ignored the offer, and now after they kept on attacking they finally get it that no one will help them and they are getting wasted so they like to try and say they accept russia's previous offer which is of course by this time completely void.

And because of all this the russians are entering georgia.
Personally I'd say they should invade all of georgia, unseat Saakashvili, put him to trial by the international court and put georgia under mandate of the un for the next 5 years with the clause that no nation may build under any circumstances a military base in there.

keemik wrote:And whats that crap about Georgia attacking another separated region... When you have trouble to hold one front why you open another? On the other hand if you could not brake one front fast enough then you open another. So who is attacking who in another separate region? You guys really need some downtime with the news(and i do not think Russian ones). Russia sent hes army in that region yesterday and bombed villages there.