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Thriller wrote:

Drachenstein wrote:Sorry if this information isn't new.

Russia Orders ‘Destruction’ of US Naval Armada In Persian Gulf:-

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1124.htm

The Red army is p***ed, and they are out for blood.

They have also moved medium range ballistic missiles into South Ossetian, opening up a nuclear strike option for god knows what reason:-

http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-1056-0-3-3--.html

This conflict is set to expand exponentially.

YIKES!!!!




Well done Georgia, America, UK, France & Israel you've managed to start WWIII.

If I get drafted, the first bullet I fire will be to the head of my commanding officer.

PLz find a reputable source if your going to make a claim like that. Because there are no sources In the "news" article you showed. ie. seems to be made up or exaggerated.

I claim nothing, I'm just the messenger, please don't shoot me.

Make of it what you will, these sources have been on the money so far.

Who would you find reputable? Sky News, BBC, Fox & CNN??? Please....

They haven't touched on the Armada sailing for the Persian gulf yet have they?

If you want to see how accurate these reports are then I suggest you search yourself.

well Sorcha Faal, has had a dishonest career. No News agency will touch her.

And blacklist news it a bunch a crap
i remember they reported that we were all going to die when the asteroid T82 came by, BUt im still alive

you are all forgetting something, if a war broke out on such a scale where all the powers in the world would start taking sides it would result in a nuclear war and i don't care how well a soldier is trained or what equipment he has, he will fry as quick as me or any of you

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that is true kma. nothing can be worse than nuclear war. but i dont believe nato or russia would use nukes. if one side is about to loose the war why not surrender instead of taking the enemy with you in a fiery nuclear holochost. its better to surrender and save the civillian population rather than fight to all are dust.

1) McCain wins the presidency (and he has said publicly) will bring in a draft and go to war with Iran which could and most likely will-draw in other nations to that conflict.

i doubt other countries would be drawn in. no country cares enough about iran to face nato. it wouldnt be in russias interests when the west is paying them for their resources.

4) many people joining the armed forces now are simply there because they have no prospects and promise of being taught new skills is the only way to survive and get on with there life...whats wrong with that picture.

no kma i dont agree with that. the people i know who are in the army (some well educated) join because its what they want to do.

5) Russia because of its economic surplus can afford to train a professional army where as armed forces in the west now require that mercs and foreigners are used to supplement their forces against populations who only have ak47's, hand guns and rocks.

russia can train a professional army but man for man it wont match nato. the rest of point 5 is untrue.

if American and UK armed forces are all mighty why cant they quell unrest by a bunch of rag tags in Iraq and Afghanistan?

maybe do some actual research about the war and you will discover why they have difficulties. guerilla warfare is hard to fight. russia knows this well.

the Russians will use the same strategy thats worked for them since their war with Napoleon, they will withdraw into the interior buying time by sacrificing whole army's till winter sets in and everyone gets stuck in the ice and their machines freeze up then the Russians finally counter attack and everyone gets the same lesson that was taught to Napoleon and Hitler.

your grasp of warfare is poor. just because something happened before it doesnt mean it would happen now. WTH are nato tanks made of glass? you think they couldnt handle some weather. the uk armed forces regularly do artic training. friends of mine have gone on this and it takes place in difficult conditions as are found in russia.

in any event, anyone wishing to see conflict between Russian and western forces must be out of their mind!

that would be bad

when theres links to reliable sites Drachenstein ill take note. like thriller i also found no reputable source to confirm this. this includes from russian media.

if there turns out to be no fleet your credability will be ultimately and totally destroyed. when this happens maybe you will think about the other lies you worship. . .

Heh Thriller, you`re saying *I* am the one biased, with blinkers and bashing lol?

Nowhere did I *bash* US. Being realistical is different. Nowhere did I calim comperativly your average russian lives as well as your average European or American. But the thing with poor people is they are easily pleased and they appreciate the little they get lol. And apparently (read the blog) atleast the average russian blogger has had enough of what he percieves as pushing around.
And nowhere did I take anything from the Russians face value. I took the approval ratings from US Congress - backed up by my own logic. Surelly alteast the congress cannot be incompetant heh?

You on the other hand claim abysmal economic status conpounded with dissatisfaction of the people as the basis for the Georgia intervention. For wich you clearly have 0 basis other than perpetuating a "safe" clishe. You dismiss any non US equipment and training as vastly inferior in some conflict that is purely thoretical in the first place. (Nvm the fact a sky pundit just yesterday said (possibly half in jest) that for the coming months West Point cadets will eat drink and sleep the Russian Georgia campaign (georgian army being nato standard) cos it was textbook.
All of the above despite being no expert in economy, sociologist, military expert or tactitian to give your arguments against a multitude of sources and empirical evidence (taken largly by west) some weight. I think its clear who is showing "bias" here lol.

I`m not underestimating/bashing the West. I`m saying you vastly underestimate Russia lol. To the point you still believe we have them in our pocket (or that if we dont they`ll (Putin&Medvedev) collapse from the strain of opposing us soon enough).
But the way things seem to be going judging by a multitude of indicators time will prove me right.
But if you can sleep better in the belief that the (unfounded and imaginary) "Red Threat" is really hogwash who am I to stop you lulz. You got your mind made up no matter what. For you it`s still 1994.




As far as urogards source goes, I`m sceptical aswell. Thoe I do expect more Russian high tech stuff to make their way to Iran. West is allready nervous to start a war as it is as Iran has a far bigger bite than Iraq had and at this stage a war with big losses would be political suicide for the republicans.

CNN is airing misleading footage of the war between Georgia and Russia, skewing public opinion in favor of the Georgians, according to a Russia Today cameraman interviewed this morning.

The Russia Today satellite TV company aired the interview on its English language news channel but the story is yet to appear on the Internet or in any other news outlet.

The Russian cameraman charged that CNN had used his footage of Georgian forces attacking Russian civilians in Tskhinvali, the provincial capital of South Ossetia, but then claimed it showed Russians attacking Georgians in the Georgian town of Gori.

The Georgian assault on Tskhinvali, described as an act of genocide and a war crime by Russian officials and other eyewitnesses, led to the slaughter of at least 2,000 civilians. The fact that Georgia, backed by the U.S. and Israel, were responsible for the provocation that led to the Russian response, has been buried by the majority of western corporate media.

Western media bias to skew popular opinion in favor of the U.S. and NATO client state Georgia was evident from the very start of the conflict.

As we reported yesterday, a prime example of media bias in shielding Georgia from responsibility for the carnage is the fact that news outlets like the BBC continue to report that thousands of civilians were killed in Georgia, with the obvious inference being that these are victims of the Russian onslaught. But these victims were not killed in Georgia, they were killed in Ossetia - by Georgian forces.

As the Chimes of Freedom Blog elaborates, “While the Ossetians claimed over 1000 dead the BBC neither reported this or any newsreel coming out of Ossetia showing the destruction caused by the Georgian shelling of the breakaway republic. All we are getting is one-sided reports of the destruction being caused by the Russians.”

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev this morning ordered an immediate halt to Russia’s military operations against Georgia.

“The purpose of the operation has been achieved…. The security of our peacekeeping forces and the civilian population has been restored,” Interfax quoted him as saying.

Drachenstein wrote:If I get drafted, the first bullet I fire will be to the head of my commanding officer.

To my recollection, no country outside of the African main recruits 14 year olds.
But you may just have given a wrong impression of your age. I blame myself.

Lois Lane wrote:

Drachenstein wrote:If I get drafted, the first bullet I fire will be to the head of my commanding officer.

To my recollection, no country outside of the African main recruits 14 year olds.
But you may just have given a wrong impression of your age. I blame myself.

Oh, following me now are you? Your friend put his foot in his mouth back in the other thread. He's a right little Hitler isn't he?

And for your information, if the UK enters another ground war our troops will be stretched beyond capacity. Many of our more experienced troops are leaving the armed forces in droves. Should war with Iran & Russia break out, a draft will quickly be enacted, just you watch.

McCain has already stated that the USA will see the draft return should he grace the oval office.

Here's the kicker, women will also be drafted, what with Iran, Russia & China already doing this, I wonder how you'll feel when those conscript papers land on your door mate. Me thinks you'll soon change your tune Missy.

And please stop with the insults to my age, it's like water of a ducks back.

And not to sound sexist, when did women become experts in the art of waging war?

How many world leaders are women currently? Its a mans game honey, go do the dish like a good little wifey.

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LiQuiD wrote:When theres links to reliable sites Drachenstein ill take note. like thriller i also found no reputable source to confirm this. this includes from russian media.

if there turns out to be no fleet your credability will be ultimately and totally destroyed. when this happens maybe you will think about the other lies you worship. . .

I couldn't give a flying f*** about my credibility, I worship nothing mate.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe to media has been told to keep it off the headlines, after all it's supposed to be a military operation, last I hear secrecy is key to gaining the initiative. However leaks do happen.

I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, which I honestly hope I am.

Namaste.

I feel so honoured you called me a mini hitler after you said I should go live to China with my ideas...
So now time you eat your words mister.
I voted for democrats in last elections.
Point made. Owned you are.
Have a nice day.

Stop following me for Christ sake, I must have really hit a nerve with you.

Can't seem to let it go can you.

Owned, okay mate, gees you play a MMORPH and you king your king of the world. Couple of 1000s post and your a genius, How sad.

Drachenstein wrote:Stop following me for Christ sake, I must have really hit a nerve with you.

Can't seem to let it go can you.

Owned, okay mate, gees you play a MMORPH and you king your king of the world. Couple of 1000s post and your a genius, How sad.

Watch yourself first.
I'm not accusing you to be a nazi or a communist.
Hit a nerve?
Haha yes I did, you saying so much bs it's so funny!
Carry on dude, for the show's sake!

Aww you are regretting your actions and moves now?
You shouldn't have started with me, should have known better hehe

as an American, and watching these events, i do feel a little out of the loop as to what the geo. have done in ossetia. seem that there has been some unrest there for a bit, and troops where sent in to settle it. Then it seems the russians decided to flex it might on geo. to show it strength and to protect it infunce in Geo. k i can understand that. but when russia goes beyond and in to geo., well that some thing else. America has been supporting Geo, demoracy for some time now, and thou not perfect, it seems to be working. i am ll for america showing some back bone and supporting those we say we will. How that support comes, well time and russian movements will tell.

in the end thou, where is the euro union, other than talking to those who have never listen to them in the past. "peace in our time" and all that.

Brdavs wrote:Heh Thriller, you`re saying *I* am the one biased, with blinkers and bashing lol?

Nowhere did I *bash* US. Being realistical is different. Nowhere did I calim comperativly your average russian lives as well as your average European or American. But the thing with poor people is they are easily pleased and they appreciate the little they get lol. And apparently (read the blog) atleast the average russian blogger has had enough of what he percieves as pushing around.
And nowhere did I take anything from the Russians face value. I took the approval ratings from US Congress - backed up by my own logic. Surelly alteast the congress cannot be incompetant heh?

You on the other hand claim abysmal economic status conpounded with dissatisfaction of the people as the basis for the Georgia intervention. For wich you clearly have 0 basis other than perpetuating a "safe" clishe. You dismiss any non US equipment and training as vastly inferior in some conflict that is purely thoretical in the first place. (Nvm the fact a sky pundit just yesterday said (possibly half in jest) that for the coming months West Point cadets will eat drink and sleep the Russian Georgia campaign (georgian army being nato standard) cos it was textbook.
All of the above despite being no expert in economy, sociologist, military expert or tactitian to give your arguments against a multitude of sources and empirical evidence (taken largly by west) some weight. I think its clear who is showing "bias" here lol.

I`m not underestimating/bashing the West. I`m saying you vastly underestimate Russia lol. To the point you still believe we have them in our pocket (or that if we dont they`ll (Putin&Medvedev) collapse from the strain of opposing us soon enough).
But the way things seem to be going judging by a multitude of indicators time will prove me right.
But if you can sleep better in the belief that the (unfounded and imaginary) "Red Threat" is really hogwash who am I to stop you lulz. You got your mind made up no matter what. For you it`s still 1994.




As far as urogards source goes, I`m sceptical aswell. Thoe I do expect more Russian high tech stuff to make their way to Iran. West is allready nervous to start a war as it is as Iran has a far bigger bite than Iraq had and at this stage a war with big losses would be political suicide for the republicans.

everything i say, you over exaggerate and take out of context.

no you just brought in the US analogies as a ad hominid arguments that do nothing to prove your points(two wrongs don't make a right retard) assuming that i thought they were god or a US citizen. When i never made any comparisons with US before you did and i am not a us citizen.

I don't think that it is was "abysmal economic status compounded with dissatisfaction of the people as the basis for the Georgia intervention." I said that was more likely than the idea that the us told them to do it. I believe this tension came to head over the oil pipeline that is planed to bypass Russia.

And the training the US and European forces receive is superior ( notice i didn't add a hyperbole here) and that is fact.

I am a lieutenant in the Canadian army so i do know something about the military. (again you make rash unfounded judgments)

You love to polarize the argument and make unfounded inferences about what i say. You must be a fox journalist or a politician.

ya know this post really made my day papa~smurf cos it basically shows the efficiency of western mainstream media in brainwashing the general populace.

What the georgians did was violate their promise/treaty (can't remember which one) that they would not use violence to settle their territorial disputes. Then they launched an invasion on the regions of ossetia and abkhazia attacking the civilian population/rebel forces/russian peacekeepers and killing some in the process.
Obviously russia decided to step in to make sure their citizens stop getting killed.

brdavs wrote:As far as urogards source goes, I`m sceptical aswell. Thoe I do expect more Russian high tech stuff to make their way to Iran. West is allready nervous to start a war as it is as Iran has a far bigger bite than Iraq had and at this stage a war with big losses would be political suicide for the republicans.

I got all my info i posted on russian techs from multiple sources since it actually interests me reading up about that.
Ya can bet your posterior that it's true