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american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:13 am
by [KMA]Avenger
rights to protest under DIRECT attack via the patriot act :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

you people (@everyone, not just americans) SERIOUSLY need to wake the hell up and smell the burning coffee!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTQXRI_I ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4w9Pp3_ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcbRqAzlwyk


my god people, what the hell have WE allowed to happen!?!?!?!?!

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:25 pm
by semper
well..I can safely say I am bored of all the urban myth theories and anti political propaganda....

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:22 am
by [KMA]Avenger
journalists (journalism is the ONLY profession which is specifically named and protected by the US constitution so it could remain a check on big govt by making public knowledge that which the govt doesn't want you to know) being arrested and held as terrorists on bogus charges doesn't interest you?

the founding fathers would be holding there heads in shame!

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:32 am
by semper
[KMA]Avenger wrote:journalists (journalism is the ONLY profession which is specifically named and protected by the US constitution so it could remain a check on big govt by making public knowledge that which the govt doesn't want you to know) being arrested and held as terrorists on bogus charges doesn't interest you?

the founding fathers would be holding there heads in shame!


To be honest no. The founding fathers are dead, it is no secret around here I pretty much loathe americans and much about them, not to mention what is happening in some sad excuse of another human beings life, and the current state of world (not just america, I know...hard to believe they are not at the center of attention, but stay with me pumpkin!) affairs is such a dire mess because of immeasurable human ignorance, arrogance, stupidity and tolerance I really dont give that much of a toss out side of my fair little once proud nation now back water suburb in this debacle we call a planet with rights, freedom and apparently some measure of 'great nations' which I have yet to find remaining.

BUT! It may interest everyone else, I am but one voice in a choir at the end of the day.

mmmmmmmkay.
*walks off after giving the patented shoulder bump.*

(on a side note, avenger, like I said in your other thread, try and slow down on the anti political propaganda, I am all for debates and stuff, but just a video thread and some form of statement does not quite cut it, people will need more, but try and look to see if these could fit in any of your other threads, once again I am sure you could have used this to support your theories in your NWO thread.

The guy being put in jail could well be guilty for his crimes, some news team or whomever it is on the tape discrediting it COULD be evidence, or maybe just yourself doing such is not really a disproval in these cases, more just opinion, which I suppose if we cross the finer lines of philosophy is what we all just argue at the end of the day.)

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:15 pm
by S0lid Snake
Semper wrote:
[KMA]Avenger wrote:journalists (journalism is the ONLY profession which is specifically named and protected by the US constitution so it could remain a check on big govt by making public knowledge that which the govt doesn't want you to know) being arrested and held as terrorists on bogus charges doesn't interest you?

the founding fathers would be holding there heads in shame!


To be honest no. The founding fathers are dead, it is no secret around here I pretty much loathe americans and much about them, not to mention what is happening in some sad excuse of another human beings life, and the current state of world (not just america, I know...hard to believe they are not at the center of attention, but stay with me pumpkin!) affairs is such a dire mess because of immeasurable human ignorance, arrogance, stupidity and tolerance I really dont give that much of a toss out side of my fair little once proud nation now back water suburb in this debacle we call a planet with rights, freedom and apparently some measure of 'great nations' which I have yet to find remaining.

BUT! It may interest everyone else, I am but one voice in a choir at the end of the day.


You've seen V haven't you semper?

It's time to sing in Harmony together, as an orchestra we can't be so easily silenced.

Words offer us the means to meaning, and here we discuss.

Can't you feel the fascism creeping onward?

I can, and I can smell too, it stinks.

What ever happen to "Never Again"???

Seems people have short memories, only 60 years to forget the lessons learned during WWII.

Listen to Ron Pauls message, we're not anti Government, we're Anti corrupt Government.

The Creeping vine that is Government has grown large and strong, it's choking the life out of the world and needs trimming back.

If we let this continue it will be to late to return to a health balance without bloodshed.

Don't lose your rights & liberties, you'll pay hell to get them back, it could take hundreds of years.

For the sake of our children and our grandchildren, we have a duty to preserve the Right & Liberties that we have enjoined, we can no long ride the coat-tails of our fore fathers, history is in the now, we make it by our actions and in-actions, how do you wish this generation to be remembered?

Consider this:-

The Continuity in Government Project
The political infrastructure for martial law in the U.S. is already in place. Apparently unsure that the USAPATRIOT Act(s) and the Military Commissions Act weren’t strong enough, on May 9, 2007, Bush issued a document doubly titled “National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51″ and “Homeland Security Presidential Directive/HSPD-20.”

Search for HSPD-20, NSPD 51

America is a dictatorship just waiting to be switched on. The legal frame work is all there, will it be Bush or McCain to flip the switch.

The same stuff is happening in Britain.

Sigh, does it always take blood for it to sink in to the common people? Of which I'm one :?

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:32 pm
by Kieltyka
S0lid Snake wrote:America is a dictatorship just waiting to be switched on. The legal frame work is all there, will it be Bush or McCain to flip the switch.


Rhetorical question. What type of government do we have and how is it established?

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:16 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
Kieltyka wrote:
S0lid Snake wrote:America is a dictatorship just waiting to be switched on. The legal frame work is all there, will it be Bush or McCain to flip the switch.


Rhetorical question. What type of government do we have and how is it established?


start with looking up "Continuity of Government".

its been active since 9/11.

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:21 pm
by Thriller
you should look up discontinuity first

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:29 pm
by Iƒrit
@George - thanks for the vids, nothing I didnt already know just more for me and my RL mate to discuss this weekend :) we've been debating a bit about things and such hopefully I can remember.

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:35 pm
by S0lid Snake
Kieltyka wrote:
S0lid Snake wrote:America is a dictatorship just waiting to be switched on. The legal frame work is all there, will it be Bush or McCain to flip the switch.


Rhetorical question. What type of government do we have and how is it established?


Your question is not the least bit rhetorical, it's quite valid.

Not quite sure if you wish me to answer, but I will just in case you did, want me too, sorry for the long post.

What form of Government do we now have?

We in the west are suffering from dying democracy, the result of Republics gone a stray. Currently we're in what I term the hydra stage, which is the broken two party system (the two headed monster) Republicans & democrats USA, Labour & Conservatives UK. Dictatorships sprout from broken democracies, charming and ruthless individuals will always be waiting in the wings for an opportunity to sway the mob in to making rash decisions.

To make a random quote from a well known film "So this is how liberty dies? To thunderous applause!" (I'll give anyone a cookie if they can spot this quote).

People often ask for it by voting for the likes of Bush or his successor McCain (This guy publicly stated, he want 100 years of war in Iraq, War with Iran or even Russia). Gordon Brown was not elected by the people in the UK, yet he will take us into another illegal war. All preemptive wars are illegal in international law. Who did Afghanistan attack? Who did Iraq attack? Where are the WMD? We've been lied too, time & time again by these people for the 5+ years now we've been at war. It's time to stop.

These are indeed troubling times, and believe me when I say, it took a long time to convince me that we need change (I was conservative, a blue shame on me). I honestly don't know who I'd support in the UK, there is no valid choice, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, I'll write in none of the above if I have too.

All I can say is the likes of Ron Paul, Dennis kucinich & Jesse Ventura are the way forward, they offer us a path back the way we came. David Davis has voiced his concerns over Freedom & liberty in the UK, but again he has been sidelined.

Bill Hicks had it right again when he said this "Why do we let the evil people run amok, and shut down the peaceful ones"

We the people need to stand up together fully united and impose our will upon the Governments, no more wars, no more killing, stop now or lose your position, simple. Spend the money on health care, alternate renewable energy sources & Education. Not bombs and machines of death.

Men, Women & Children are dying, I care not of what nation they come from, life is precious and should be preserved at all costs

If we just stood up and did whats right for a change, the world would change for the better.

Forget conspiracy's and such, the world changes for the worse in the blink of an eye.

I don't have all the answers, no one does, but we are getting lost, it's not to late to turn back.

At the very least look into civil disobedience, write to your member of parliament/Senate, make your voice heard. Stop the wars and bring the troops home.

Eminem/Marshall Mathers had it right in Mosh with it's politically charged message:-

EMINEM MOSH - Original Version

And ask yourself what you can do for your country and it's people.

Namaste. :smt109

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:47 pm
by Iƒrit
just so you know amreica was never a democracy, its always been a Republic

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:51 pm
by S0lid Snake
Ifrit wrote:just so you know amreica was never a democracy, its always been a Republic


I know, but what does Bush say "To preserve democracy" not the Constitutional Republic...

The same goes for Gordon Brown.

They seem to believe it's a democracy.

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:08 am
by S0lid Snake
[KMA]Avenger wrote:
Kieltyka wrote:
S0lid Snake wrote:America is a dictatorship just waiting to be switched on. The legal frame work is all there, will it be Bush or McCain to flip the switch.


Rhetorical question. What type of government do we have and how is it established?


start with looking up "Continuity of Government".

its been active since 9/11.


Try to avoid 911 for now, the truth about that will come with time, when our governments are fully investigated for their crimes. 911 invokes to many emotions and causes hostile reactions.

I had more luck coming from the freedom angles.

Have you seen this fellow named the Anti-terrorist on youtube, he explain alot about the freeman angle which I found to be invaluable.

TheAntiTerrorist

And

Robert Arthur Menards The Magnificent Deception & Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception

The Magnificent Deception

Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception

These sources are the best out there for a peaceful remedy to our problems.

Learn the law, learn what the words mean & always question authority.

Enjoy, if you haven't already. :wink:

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:28 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Ifrit wrote:@George - thanks for the vids, nothing I didnt already know just more for me and my RL mate to discuss this weekend :) we've been debating a bit about things and such hopefully I can remember.



your welcome :-)

Re: american freedom, liberty and....

Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:15 am
by urogard
S0lid Snake wrote:To make a random quote from a well known film "So this is how liberty dies? To thunderous applause!" (I'll give anyone a cookie if they can spot this quote).


I'm so messed up haha, actually had to google it to remind myself but I knew I heard the quote before I remembered the name of the movie :D

PS: another good song
[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bWW3UFVpHY
PS: It's german and a few things need to be added or just don't come across totally clear, or at least the way it's meant to be in german
0:49 Actually means "Cos you don't have your head for the sole purpose just to carry a hat on it"
2:50 "terribly tolerant", German word for terrible is "furchtbar" but it can also mean extremely much, so it's actualy meant that "super/very tolerant"
3:15 When it says "let them hear your voice, because every voice (vote) counts", in german "deine Stimme" means both your voice and your vote.

Btw this song was published in september 2003! I don't dare guessing how much sooner the lyrics for the song were done[/spoiler]