is getting into G&R range to easy these days?

[[KMA]Avenger]

i was just wondering if the G&R range should be set back to the top 500?

seems a bit much for it to start at 770 or whatever it is now.

or am i talking rubbish?

[Lord_Grant]

Its fine teh way it is. Cause the amount of people aplying getting even to there is about teh same comparibly.

[TheSoulHarvester]

lol, its a piece of cake for anyone with a half ass decent income and up...

raise strike and covert and Youll boost through the ranks!

[Reaver]

i was just wondering if the G&R range should be set back to the top 500?

seems a bit much for it to start at 770 or whatever it is now.

or am i talking rubbish?

It's all the way up into the 900's that you get G&R now. And I agree with you.

[Wolf359]

Back in the days when we were increasing 'G&R range' outside of the top 100 , I would have agreed - however, as is blatantly obvious, as time goes on - more and more ascended players are filling up the top spots and pushing the non-ascended out.

All respect to those non-ascended who are still floating in the top spots - but eventually theyt will find themselves falling.

Having a percentage linked G&R range is sensible in my opinion as it grows as the game grows - therefore it is still the same top % of players who get G&R and, ultimately, ascension. It seems sensible that asecsnion is allowed to grow at a rate comparable to MAIN - and making G&R % linked is the only way to do that.

[Reaver]

I agree with you Wolf, and we have to take into account that a rank 400-500 player now needs stats at least as good as a rank 60-100 player did when Ascension was released. However, I still think the % is getting too big. If the game continues to grow, everyone in the top 1000 will be getting G&R within a month. That just seems to be too wide a range.

[Wolf359]

The % doesn't increase though - it is always the top 2% of all ranked players. So yes, as more people join the game, the number of players within G&R range increases -

i.e.

10,000 people play the game - top 200 get G&R

15,000 people play the game - top 300 get G&R

- but this is needed to allow the ascension server to continue to grow - otherwise (if G&R was set at a fixed number) the number of non-ascendees getting G&R (and thus ascending) would tail off and, eventually, be non-existant.

[Reaver]

The % doesn't increase though - it is always the top 2% of all ranked players. So yes, as more people join the game, the number of players within G&R range increases

True, for now. But it used to be the top 100 players, then it went to the top 1.5%. And then people complained it was still too hard, so it moved to 2%. Now, there are already people complaining that the top 2% is too difficult. Is Forum going to move it up to 2.5% next? And then to 3%? What % will be enough? I would argue that 1.5% was a much better number than 2%, and I certainly hope we don't see it raise again.

[Wolf359]

I agree - it does not need to be increased again - it is not difficlut to get into the top 2% - I know players who have only been playing a short time who have already done it - the trouble is that some people want everything handed to them these days!

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

if u took away those dead account out of the equation it wouldnt be easier to get those points

[[KMA]Avenger]

the trouble is that some people want everything handed to them these days!

thats another one of the thoughts i had, yes players now do have it much easier than they used to, especially if they join a powerfull CO who gives them everything instread of making them earn things...just like my 2 first CO's, especially the second he gave me targets and if i hit them within a time limit i had a nice reward.

i doubt many do that kind of thing now

back on topic
i say the G&R threshhold should be pushed back to the top 500 players and left there.
i understand admin wants peeps to ascend but i dont think it should be so easy for them, both first time ascendees and seasond pro's


valid point SGC

[Phoenix of Skycon]

I want to hear an opinion from someone who hasn't ascended 5 times already myself. I've been playing around 4 months now and I'm just barely approaching gnr range. Are you telling me that is too quick? Personally I wish there was some kind of cap on main so that people could ascend at least once. Make the second ascension as hard as you like, but I need fss just to compete.

[Grand Admiral Martin]

ok i dont know if this has ever been mentioned but ppl say its unfair that now nearly 1000 ppl get g&r, how many of those have alreasdy ascended , are living gods, etc? the number of those getting g&r for first time is still pretty low. look ast ascension server theres still less the 1000 players! i think ppl make this into a bigger deal than it is.

[[SGC_ReplicÅtors]]

no the idea is make is this u want to make it harder....write in a formula that cuts accounts from 20kPlus and take 2% of whats left

[Hitokiri]

the trouble is that some people want everything handed to them these days!

thats another one of the thoughts i had, yes players now do have it much easier than they used to, especially if they join a powerfull CO who gives them everything instread of making them earn things...just like my 2 first CO's, especially the second he gave me targets and if i hit them within a time limit i had a nice reward.

i doubt many do that kind of thing now

back on topic
i say the G&R threshhold should be pushed back to the top 500 players and left there.
i understand admin wants peeps to ascend but i dont think it should be so easy for them, both first time ascendees and seasond pro's


valid point SGC

Those that join into a top guild can ascend rather easily, yes. But how many people can actually get into a top guild? And what about those of us who are going it mostly alone? I have a few connections in the game, and a good CO, but I've not recieved any help beyond advice (and my first 2 months were without even that). Considering I've started much later than the top players, my chances of getting into the top 100, or 200 are slim, and doing so alone would be even harder. However, I can still strive for ascension.

With a set number of spots for ascending, they will eventually fill up with living gods from the most powerful guilds. Now look at the game from a new comers perspective. You can join and play, but you are already many months of time, at best, behind the top players. Furthermore, you will not be able to ever ascend, as all of the ranks allowing it are taken by players who have not only the advantage of having played longer, but also of being ascended races. What incentive is there to play?