Trade Broker Decline Option Correction

[Nuto vixen]

When anyone presses "decline" the naq or units gets send from where it came from. Which unless you are expecting, you will more than likely have it stolen from you.

This has now happened 3 times to eithe rmyself or friends I know that play the game.

Collectively its been a loss of over 20 bil because the system doesnt return your naq to a safe place for safe keeping.

Can we please get this fixed? No one can be expected to sit around waiting for people to accept or decline there trade deals incase it all gets sent back to them.

I just don't think that the sender should have to suffer the consiquenses for someone deciding to change their mind and decline a deal.

-Nuto vixen

[Stricken]

i'm with you on that, just think if someone did a huge deal for uu, one guy could decline then attack them and take all the naq for free...

or if they decline you have like 24 hours to collect your cash or something like that

~Stricken

[Rukia]

sounds good ^_^

[Reeb]

I think this has been suggested before, but I still agree with it. I think the goods should stay in holding for the duration of the trade timer even after declined. Just add a Declined - [Reclaim goods] button so you can grab them back if you see it before the time limit is up.

[Nuto vixen]

I think this has been suggested before, but I still agree with it. I think the goods should stay in holding for the duration of the trade timer even after declined. Just add a Declined - [Reclaim goods] button so you can grab them back if you see it before the time limit is up.

I suggested the exact same idea to Forum.

I think he may be looking into it, but Stricken posed a really good point.
Someone could made a deal, set it up, decline and take all of the other persons naq if they knew they weren't online at the time.

Why didn't I think of that?

[WaReHouSe]

an accept message for a declined tradeso that the declined player has a chance to retrive the stuff, diffently needs looking into if it's working the exact same way as being scammed.

though i havn't had this problem before i will suport that sumting does need to be revised aboit this system as it has been set up in favor of the trade proceeding.

[Wolf359]

Reinforces my point of checking that they will accept a deal before you send it - I have no sympathy for people who just send trades at random and then whine because it was declined and they lost their resources.

However, there may be occassions when somebody changes their mind- therefore this might be a good idea.

[Nuto vixen]

Reinforces my point of checking that they will accept a deal before you send it - I have no sympathy for people who just send trades at random and then whine because it was declined and they lost their resources.

I think thats a really naive take on the situation.

People who lose resources, lose it through no fault of their own. As soon as you send that trade, there is no "undo" button. It is up to the other person to either accept or decline, and some things are beyond your control and you have to decline. If you don't decline and just leave it to expire, the same thing happens. Automatic transfer back to an account thats owner may or may not be in at the time.

So there is really more than one issue.
The first is there is nothing to tell us (without clicking into the broker)we have a trade ready waiting for us to accept or decline. Secondly, there is no fallback system to secure the resources that have been declined.

The whole "I have no sympathy for people who lose resources" is just quite nasty and doesn't really help the situation at all.

It is a flaw in the system.

There have been a few suggestions on ways to stop the losses, and it all comes back to people suggesting that some could take advantage of the "unlimited bank" if it were all to be inputted back into their banks.

To be honest, people are "abusing" the trade broker in many ways. If not to ascend, then to use it as their unlimited bank by transfering naq away and getting it sent back to them. So creating this feature would only really cut out one step for the some that already take advantage of it.


Lastly, I realize that this takes alot of time and effort from Forum, after a long conversation with him I am under the impression that he is looking into it, and will be updating things ASAP in the coding area to make it better for us.

That said, and the fact that it has been bought to his attention, I think that this topic could be locked now.

Thank you.
-Nuto vixen

[Wolf359]

Reinforces my point of checking that they will accept a deal before you send it - I have no sympathy for people who just send trades at random and then whine because it was declined and they lost their resources.

I think thats a really naive take on the situation.

Please back up your statements when they are directed at me as I will surely shout them down.

It isn't a naive take at all. What is naive is that people just set up trades with other people, without any prior request or discussion, and then expect them to be accepted. It is even more pathetic that they then cry about it when the unwanted trade is declined.

It is not that I don't have symnpathy for those who lose resources - as you so eloquently put it - I have no sympathy for those who set up trades that are not requested or discussed beforehand, who then lose their resources. Get your damn facts right!

I have no sympathy for people who just send trades at random and then whine because it was declined and they lost their resources.

Having said that - I'm sure that in my first post I did agree that this would be a good idea if there were reasons why someone set up a trade in good faith, but then found they had to decline.

However, there may be occassions when somebody changes their mind- therefore this might be a good idea.

So my next point is - why did you even come out with that statement when ultimately I agreed with you?

[Kerrus Magrus]

i agree with this too. though i think it should be stored in a broker specific bank like place ("stasis") so people can;t abuse it for banking purposes. your broker stasis chambre would only have space for two sets of declined trades. after that, whatever the units are, they go in the open.

actually it should send you a msg much like alliance acceptance to accept the units back.

[Stricken]

I think this has been suggested before, but I still agree with it. I think the goods should stay in holding for the duration of the trade timer even after declined. Just add a Declined - [Reclaim goods] button so you can grab them back if you see it before the time limit is up.

I suggested the exact same idea to Forum.

I think he may be looking into it, but Stricken posed a really good point.
Someone could made a deal, set it up, decline and take all of the other persons naq if they knew they weren't online at the time.

Why didn't I think of that?

lol simple i'm a genius

lol maybe not, its just i have way to much free time on my hands to think of weird stuff

~Stricken

[Wolf359]

i agree with this too. though i think it should be stored in a broker specific bank like place ("stasis") so people can;t abuse it for banking purposes. your broker stasis chambre would only have space for two sets of declined trades. after that, whatever the units are, they go in the open.

actually it should send you a msg much like alliance acceptance to accept the units back.

Hmmm - not bad - but I would ad to that by putting a time limit on it - say 24 hours - your declined trades only stay in stasis for 24 hours, then they are released.

This could still lend itself to abuse by the player immediately reissuing a trade and doing the same thing again - so I suggest that if someone's naq /resource is placed in stasis then it can only happen once every 48 hours - i.e. if your naq has been in stasis, then once you take it out it can't go back in stasis if another trade is declined within 48 hours.

Perhaps a message can also pop up, when you take the naq out of stasis, something like:

"Your trade broker transfers your naq with a message, "I'm not your personal banker >>INSERT PLAYER NAME HERE<<, make sure your next trade will be accepted as I need all my storage space fro the next 48 hours. If you initiate a trade in that time, and it is declined, I will not be able to hold it for you and will have to transfer it to your public storage."

This idea would ensure that declined naq is safe for 24 hours, and would also stop people abusing the broker as a bank.

[12agnar0k]

it is a nice way to scam, get someone to broker you , say with 500k uu for your 200 bil, then when they are not around, decline it and mass raid them

[Radium]

it is a nice way to scam, get someone to broker you , say with 500k uu for your 200 bil, then when they are not around, decline it and mass raid them

I agree this is an anti scam upgrade. The person argueing against this is Wolf, who openly is anti trade as well

[god of darkness]

it is a nice way to scam, get someone to broker you , say with 500k uu for your 200 bil, then when they are not around, decline it and mass raid them

do it the other way around
you get the naq with 1 attack. lol