_VERY_ IMPORTANT FOR YOUTUBE USERS/WATCHERS etc!!!

[Legendary Apophis]

Instead of I explain you what the problem is, for no misinterpretations possible, I will post the "official" video that tells what the problem is, btw, on the right of the page of the video, there's the link to the petition site.

By mod request, I warn that this video contains very uncool things to view, more exactly world war 2 images of concentration camps (yes this video is an anti nazism one, along with a petition AGAISNT nazi crap in youtube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBm5bhvR17E

If you want to get the video, the link is on right of the video as well!

THIS, is, NOT a spam video about stupid dudes jumping on a wall to hurt themselves or stuff like that, it's DEAD SERIOUS!!!!

Thanks for reading, watching, and HOPEFULLY, signing the petition.

[Spacey colour change]

[Teal'auc of the Void]

Sorry, but it does not belong here... moving to more appropriate section.



Teal'auc

[DaDigi]

Damn you Teal'auc!

[Fear Of The Duck]

that's why i like the internet. it's FREEDOM OF SPEECH! so everybody can present their views regardless of how wicked, narrow-minded or plain stupid they are.

i don't like nasis in particular and everything with "social" or "socialist" in general (including social democratism), but because we thing some ideas are wrong we have no rights to prevent the others from speaking their minds. if we do this we're not better than goebbels.

so NO to the petition

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Legendary Apophis]

that's why i like the internet. it's FREEDOM OF SPEECH! so everybody can present their views regardless of how wicked, narrow-minded or plain stupid they are.

i don't like nasis in particular and everything with "social" or "socialist" in general (including social democratism), but because we thing some ideas are wrong we have no rights to prevent the others from speaking their minds. if we do this we're not better than goebbels.

so NO to the petition

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So it's ok for you the Shoah and all of that, because of freedom of speech?
You really have something twisted, freedom of speech has its LIMITS damnit!
Would you find it ok that a dude goes on street with i love hitler ozzy osbournes= the leader of 3rd riech without censor) and starts insulting people racially?
Oh and about that social democrat part, sorry but I'm one, and also all those who dislike socialists are more willing to brand freedom of speech to accept any extreme right view, but is it same for anarchist/communist ones? hmmm?
For me all nazi 3r reich fasciosm and all of that has to go off youtube!!!

[WeaponX]

i hate na-zis but i hate the idea of silencing even na-zi propaganda simply because we dont agree with it.

i live in a country that protects every persons right within that country to say whatever they want, no matter how ignorant we may think it is they still have a right to say it. i agree with that. i dont agree with their beliefs but i believe they should have a right to say what they want.

wouldnt it suck if an expressing a certain idea was suppressed simply because someone didnt like it? because if that happens then no one will be able to say what they feel and believe because i can guarantee for every idea and belief out there there is someone who doesnt like it and would like to see it suppressed.

you start deciding what should and shouldn't be allowed in terms of speech and you open up a pandora's box along with crushing a person's right to think and decide for themselves what they want to believe in and ultimately, how they choose to live their own life.

i am against suppressing free speech, even if its Nazism.

[Mordack]

If freedom of speech has it's "limits" then it's not freedom of speech, is it? What a stupid thing to say.

And yes, it's unfortunate that youtube, and the internet as a whole, is as much a breeding ground for hatred as it is a venue for bringing people together. But I still say no to your petition. The day youtube becomes incredibly overzealous about censorship will be the day it becomes boring and subpar.

[Legendary Apophis]

i hate na-zis but i hate the idea of silencing even na-zi propaganda simply because we dont agree with it.

i live in a country that protects every persons right within that country to say whatever they want, no matter how ignorant we may think it is they still have a right to say it. i agree with that. i dont agree with their beliefs but i believe they should have a right to say what they want.

wouldnt it suck if an expressing a certain idea was suppressed simply because someone didnt like it? because if that happens then no one will be able to say what they feel and believe because i can guarantee for every idea and belief out there there is someone who doesnt like it and would like to see it suppressed.

you start deciding what should and should be allowed in terms of speech and you open up a pandora's box along with crushing a person's right to think and decide for themselves what they want to believe in and ultimately, how they choose to live their own life.

i am against suppressing free speech, even if its Nazism.

Hmmm I guess you are american, but i heard a lil story on SLA forums that a canadian dude said once something like blood* americans in a destruction derby thing and got hit by people, if that is not ok to say it, why would so called freedom of speech allow nazism?
Would I be allowed to go in US, have opportunity to pass on tv for somer easons then insult the USA and brand freedom of speech, then because I said 3 magical words everyone would come and say we forgive you? No they'd call security, people would throw me things on streets etc...if that wouldnt pass, why on earth would be ok the nazism?
I'll not do what I said lol, if i did such a thing I would add governement in it, america in itself is fine, a percent of its populztion isnt though

If freedom of speech allows racism and nazism, then I say four letters word it!

Freedom of speech is a joke anyway, it does NOT exist anywhere and will never for simple reason if it REALLY existed we would start to EXTERMINATE each others!!!!

[WeaponX]

i hate na-zis but i hate the idea of silencing even na-zi propaganda simply because we dont agree with it.

i live in a country that protects every persons right within that country to say whatever they want, no matter how ignorant we may think it is they still have a right to say it. i agree with that. i dont agree with their beliefs but i believe they should have a right to say what they want.

wouldnt it suck if an expressing a certain idea was suppressed simply because someone didnt like it? because if that happens then no one will be able to say what they feel and believe because i can guarantee for every idea and belief out there there is someone who doesnt like it and would like to see it suppressed.

you start deciding what should and should be allowed in terms of speech and you open up a pandora's box along with crushing a person's right to think and decide for themselves what they want to believe in and ultimately, how they choose to live their own life.

i am against suppressing free speech, even if its Nazism.

Hmmm I guess you are american, but i heard a lil story on SLA forums that a canadian dude said once something like blood* americans in a destruction derby thing and got hit by people, if that is not ok to say it, why would so called freedom of speech allow nazism?
Would I be allowed to go in US, have opportunity to pass on tv for somer easons then insult the USA and brand freedom of speech, then because I said 3 magical words everyone would come and say we forgive you? No they'd call security, people would throw me things on streets etc...if that wouldnt pass, why on earth would be ok the nazism?
I'll not do what I said lol, if i did such a thing I would add governement in it, america in itself is fine, a percent of its populztion isnt though

If freedom of speech allows racism and nazism, then I say four letters word it!

Freedom of speech is a joke anyway, it does NOT exist anywhere and will never for simple reason if it REALLY existed we would start to EXTERMINATE each others!!!!

you're confusing the right to say what you want in public areas and the controlled speech on TV.

but what you;'re suggesting is we censor things we dont personally agree with. well that's the problem, if we censor this, then whats next? what you believe in? what i believe in?

never heard they came for the homosexuals and i did nothing? they came for the jews and i did nothing? then they came for me...and noone was there to do anything about it.... same with what we think feel and say. first its nazism, then eventually it's what you personally believe and then noone can say think or feel anything unless its approved and i just cant allow that. that and the very idea of requiring someone's approval in order to express my feelings just irritates me to the very core of my being. because that's basically what this is about, meeting YOUR approval. sorry i dont live that way and i hope noone would.

[Legendary Apophis]

i hate na-zis but i hate the idea of silencing even na-zi propaganda simply because we dont agree with it.

i live in a country that protects every persons right within that country to say whatever they want, no matter how ignorant we may think it is they still have a right to say it. i agree with that. i dont agree with their beliefs but i believe they should have a right to say what they want.

wouldnt it suck if an expressing a certain idea was suppressed simply because someone didnt like it? because if that happens then no one will be able to say what they feel and believe because i can guarantee for every idea and belief out there there is someone who doesnt like it and would like to see it suppressed.

you start deciding what should and should be allowed in terms of speech and you open up a pandora's box along with crushing a person's right to think and decide for themselves what they want to believe in and ultimately, how they choose to live their own life.

i am against suppressing free speech, even if its Nazism.

Hmmm I guess you are american, but i heard a lil story on SLA forums that a canadian dude said once something like blood* americans in a destruction derby thing and got hit by people, if that is not ok to say it, why would so called freedom of speech allow nazism?
Would I be allowed to go in US, have opportunity to pass on tv for somer easons then insult the USA and brand freedom of speech, then because I said 3 magical words everyone would come and say we forgive you? No they'd call security, people would throw me things on streets etc...if that wouldnt pass, why on earth would be ok the nazism?
I'll not do what I said lol, if i did such a thing I would add governement in it, america in itself is fine, a percent of its populztion isnt though

If freedom of speech allows racism and nazism, then I say four letters word it!

Freedom of speech is a joke anyway, it does NOT exist anywhere and will never for simple reason if it REALLY existed we would start to EXTERMINATE each others!!!!

you're confusing the right to say what you want in public areas and the controlled speech on TV.

but what you;'re suggesting is we censor things we dont personally agree with. well that's the problem, if we censor this, then whats next? what you believe in? what i believe in?

never heard they came for the homosexuals and i did nothing? they came for the jews and i did nothing? then they came for me...and noone was there to do anything about it.... same with what we think feel and say. first its nazism, then eventually it's what you personally believe and then noone can say think or feel anything unless its approved and i just cant allow that. that and the very idea of requiring someone's approval in order to express my feelings just irritates me to the very core of my being. because that's basically what this is about, meeting YOUR approval. sorry i dont live that way and i hope noone would.

Just to remind you a fact, I did NOT start this petition or did this movie, so I am NOT alone to still think that such horrors are totally uncalled for youtube...FORTUNATELY!!!!!...still people who have a bit of decency!...ohhhhh...btw...
If it's ok to put nazism on youtube, why not put hard core pr0n, executions in direct, pedophilism?
Pr0n is not under 18 you'll say, but do you think it's ok that ANYONE falls into that crap of nazism and eventually start whole thing again of 1,000,000s of murders?
Pedophilism, not allowed by law? But would promote a party that kills millions of people and pretend any other ethny are low life forms and need to be exterminated until last one would be ok?
IF WE ALLOW NAZISM ON YOUTUBE THEN WE MAY (yes not should, may) ALLOW:
_ANY terrorism propaganda/exectuion/torture movies propaganda
_cult of bin laden and saddam hussein and al qaeda
_pedophilism propaganda
_zoophilism propaganda
_hard core pr0n propaganda
_raping propaganda
_human sacrifices propaganda
_cannibalism propaganda
_massacres (like Rwanda one) propaganada
etc...
YOU REALLY WANT IT TO BE THE MOST DISGUSTING PLACE ON THE WEB???
THAT IS WHY THIS PETITION IS HERE!

[Brdavs]

You people fail to grasp that the concept of any right is that it is not absolute. It is limmited by the rights of others. Your freedome of speach is therefor unlimited up to a point wich is deemed over the line (by laws etc.), i.e. inciting religios/racial hatred. You need to burst them bubbles and realise that the world is not black/white and/or centered around *your* rights. So no, supressing lets say racial hatred propaganda is not limitating the freadom of speach and it does not make FoS bs just cos you cant say every piece of BS that enters your mind. So all you ultra liberals (noone particular in mind) need to brush up on your (legal) theory (as any right is foremost a legal concept) as to avoid embaressing yourselves in topics and pettitions like these... As soon as ppl start blabbering about inalienable rigts it makes me cry my eyes out laughing as in 95% of the time the "freedom fighters" couldn`t define the concept of a right if their lives depended on it lol...

[Legendary Apophis]

I wonder if saying four letters word america, four letters word republicans and four letters word us army army is ok, it should in theory, as freedom of speech allows everything, isn't it?
You would be very angry at someone insulting freely your soldiers who go in Iraq, it's same here, difference is that this nazi party actually killed alot of people (10s of millions) and have also quite alot americans in their victims count, so there's EVEN more reasons to not allow its apology than to disallow word bashing of soldiers...I'm personally against bashing them as most serve their country and not their fault of what they do during the war.
Nazism is surely the most blamable thing in the world concerning the allowing of its propaganda.

You people fail to grasp that the concept of any right is that it is not absolute. It is limmited by the rights of others. Your freedome of speach is therefor unlimited up to a point wich is deemed over the line (by laws etc.), i.e. inciting religios/racial hatred. You need to burst them bubbles and realise that the world is not black/white and/or centered around *your* rights. So no, supressing lets say racial hatred propaganda is not limitating the freadom of speach and it does not make FoS bs just cos you cant say every piece of BS that enters your mind. So all you ultra liberals (noone particular in mind) need to brush up on your (legal) theory (as any right is foremost a legal concept) as to avoid embaressing yourselves in topics and pettitions like these... As soon as ppl start blabbering about inalienable rigts it makes me cry my eyes out laughing as in 95% of the time the "freedom fighters" couldn`t define the concept of a right if their lives depended on it lol...

Indeed, and 100% agreed to bolded part!

[Kit-Fox]

While I'm not gonna wade into the rights & wrongs of allowing videos about nazism either historic or those promoting its as a solution to todays problems the video maker should know that Facism in and of itself as a social policy doesnt equal nazism or what they did before&during ww2.

They are themselves relying on emotional responses & engagin in propaganda against the posters of these videos.

[Legendary Apophis]

I have no feelings about fact that vision of people who signed this petition have an emotional view, it's normal, those people acted like psychopats killer would!

[Saintdeath]

the concept of any right is that it is not absolute. It is limmited by the rights of others.

Quoted for truth.

Warning, this post will use offensive expressions as examples and won't be directed at anyone, but still, if you're easily offended, don't read it.

Any of us can use freedom of speech to present his views about anything, but mustn't offend anyone. Na-zis can say: "We want a pure country," but they can't say: "Let's get rid of these **Filtered** Jews so we can have a pure country." See the difference?