2008 South Ossetia War

[[KMA]Avenger]

indeed nothing is certain till its fact but governments dont move large fleets round the globe and conduct expensive war games in preparation for an attack on a sovereign nation without good reason...

as the old saying goes, there's no smoke without fire

P.S.

not trying to validate an attack against iran, infact i VEHEMENTLY oppose such an action.
just trying to add some weight behind the story's of naval deployment is all.

[S0lid Snake]

indeed nothing is certain till its fact but governments dont move large fleets round the globe and conduct expensive war games in preparation for an attack on a sovereign nation without good reason...

as the old saying goes, there's no smoke without fire

Yeah, and these games have a habit of suddenly becoming real, I'm quoting the 7/7 London bombing here.

Who was that private company conducting terror exercises that day?

[[KMA]Avenger]

they did the same with 9/11 which is why a recording was leaked of a flight controller asking for verification of hijacked planes by asking " is this real time or exorcise?).
history does indeed repeat itself because we fail to learn.

i'll get the name of the company and post later today when i have it

[papa~smurf]

1) How would former eastern block countries, who have decide to join nato, or have applied to nato feel about this attack into geo. by Russia.
Those countries which like to climb up USA ass such as ukraine or maybe poland (though i'm not entirely sure but i suspect it strongly) will officially stand with USA stance. All others follow their own policies.

2) is there some concern that the soviets are using Geo. as a way to warn and control those nations, be it by economic power (natural gas, oil) or military might.
A bit of: "don't make us repeat ourselves" and a bit of "we don't give what you think so we don't have to proove anything for anyone and what we do we do for ourselves and our interests"

3) if left unchecked, is there a historical reflectance for that part of the world that shows the this type of behavior, regardless of the the reason, and it's effect on the climate of freedoms for the people of that area.
"freedom for the people" none of the sides involved in this conflict gives a lousy piece of poo about that.
Besides concerning international law and one country invading others, i think we have much more important precedents.

4) how does your country view the soviets today and how do u personally view them.
There are people who hated them there are people who loved them, the latter are kinda more in numbers.

5) do u believe, that in democracy, when u disagree with the majority, u have the right to enforce your views by leaving, or by force, or by any means of force.
I don't believe in democracy, it's an experiment not just failed but gone terribly bad

demoocracy.....a failed experment ? How so ? U are a first generation in your country to experence it i believe. U have along way to go. Faulted yes, no question in the minds of any American that demoracy has it draw backs, but given the choose between that any the other lteratives, i stick with it.

thanks for answering my questions, there was no wrong answer. It oly shows that as much as "brain washed" americans are, there are others who also have bais, and a willness to listen to "one side"

[Lithium]

if they will strike iran then it ll blow all around Iran its not Iraqi remember it. just imagine another nukes explading somewhere. where are we going after

[[KMA]Avenger]

there are others who also have bias, and a willness to listen to "one side"

agreed.

if they will strike iran then it ll blow all around Iran its not Iraqi remember it. just imagine another nukes explading somewhere. where are we going after

indeed, it goes without saying that a conflict in iran will spill over into other nations and could possibly result in global catastrophe, either global conflict or global financial collapse, which the neocons seem hellbent on making sure 1 or the other (quite possibly both) happens.

at the very least, it would be a bloody mess that will enrage many nations and people worldwide.

[urogard]

demoocracy.....a failed experment ? How so ? U are a first generation in your country to experence it i believe. U have along way to go. Faulted yes, no question in the minds of any American that demoracy has it draw backs, but given the choose between that any the other lteratives, i stick with it.

thanks for answering my questions, there was no wrong answer. It oly shows that as much as "brain washed" americans are, there are others who also have bais, and a willness to listen to "one side"

Since you haven't commented on my example of mexico hitting the USA which would result in an invasion of mexico i'll suspect you fully agree and therefore changed your opinion of russian military presence on georgian soil

Anyways, concerning the first generation, you're wrong but that's allright since there most foreigners who actually dig deep into this don't understand the differences in how czechoslovakia was run compared to other countries like SU, DDR or poland.

Concerning democracy being failed experiment gone horribly bad, i'm not the only one, there are countless others with the same view and the numbers of people who are beginning to realize this are growing fast.

Given the alternatives, there are countless others, but again why should the people who are in power now want to give that power away....
Although seriously i tip my hat to the people who organize the presidential elections in the US. Creating an illusion on such a huge scale that people have a real choice is damn funny. It's sad too but kinda funny.

[S0lid Snake]

if they will strike iran then it ll blow all around Iran its not Iraqi remember it. just imagine another nukes explading somewhere. where are we going after

indeed, it goes without saying that a conflict in iran will spill over into other nations and could possibly result in global catastrophe, either global conflict or global financial collapse, which the neocons seem hellbent on making sure 1 or the other (quite possibly both) happens.

at the very least, it would be a bloody mess that will enrage many nations and people worldwide.

Absolutely. People tend to forget that both Russia & China have a strategic interest in Iran, I can't remember where I heard this, but didn't they find a Chinese base in Iran?

If Iran was attacked it would probably be the first major step toward re-uniting all Muslims to create a new Persian empire (NPE).

Think about that for a second!

Technology is great and all, but to win a war you must engage on the ground at some point.

The west can't match Russia, China & all the middle eastern countries man for man.

[Lithium]

let s hope that war dogs like cheney will be kicked out in the next administration of US. we all are suffering the mess of US(israel + UK) is creating in middle est.

[S0lid Snake]

demoocracy.....a failed experment ? How so ? U are a first generation in your country to experence it i believe. U have along way to go. Faulted yes, no question in the minds of any American that demoracy has it draw backs, but given the choose between that any the other lteratives, i stick with it.

thanks for answering my questions, there was no wrong answer. It oly shows that as much as "brain washed" americans are, there are others who also have bais, and a willness to listen to "one side"

Since you haven't commented on my example of mexico hitting the USA which would result in an invasion of mexico i'll suspect you fully agree and therefore changed your opinion of russian military presence on georgian soil

Anyways, concerning the first generation, you're wrong but that's allright since there most foreigners who actually dig deep into this don't understand the differences in how czechoslovakia was run compared to other countries like SU, DDR or poland.

Concerning democracy being failed experiment gone horribly bad, i'm not the only one, there are countless others with the same view and the numbers of people who are beginning to realize this are growing fast.

Given the alternatives, there are countless others, but again why should the people who are in power now want to give that power away....
Although seriously i tip my hat to the people who organize the presidential elections in the US. Creating an illusion on such a huge scale that people have a real choice is damn funny. It's sad too but kinda funny.

Again spot on, just look to the Roman empire of old, first it was a Republic then a Democracy, and finally a Dictatorship which lead to its destruction.

Bush is our Nero.

[S0lid Snake]

let s hope that war dogs like cheney will be kicked out in the next administration of US. we all are suffering the mess of US(israel + UK) is creating in middle est.

Lets just hope they get an election at all, according to the powers that Bush has, if too many people sneeze at once he can declare martial law.

Sorry for the double post here.

[Cole]

If Democracy is that bad as it always leads to chaos or dictatorship...could we know what's good?

Since the martial law is unacceptable either (and then means dictatorship isn't either if we follow the arguments)...
I'm curious.

[[KMA]Avenger]

If Democracy is that bad as it always leads to chaos or dictatorship...could we know what's good?

Since the martial law is unacceptable either (and then means dictatorship isn't either if we follow the arguments)...
I'm curious.

there is a form of government which works best for the common man, not so good for governments seeking absolute control of the masses and doesnt work to well for big corporations but does do its job and works well for the common person..."A Republic".

for everyone who wants to know how america SHOULD be governed and how the government SHOULD work you can see it here...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8237547562


its not the best quality but it is watchable.

also in a republic, the general population has an obligation to make sure that the next mans rights are respected and not trampled on by the state thereby creating a community which cares because if they ever fall foul of the state they will have to rely on the people to make sure their rights are enforced and kept.

[S0lid Snake]

If Democracy is that bad as it always leads to chaos or dictatorship...could we know what's good?

Since the martial law is unacceptable either (and then means dictatorship isn't either if we follow the arguments)...
I'm curious.

Back to a Republic for the people by the people, with liberty & justice for all.

The founding fathers were spot on with what they created, it worked so well for many years, but we the people became complacent with our freedoms & liberties.

[Cole]

A republic...that was expectable.
Sadly, republic is a very generic term.

A republic is a state or country that is not led by a hereditary monarch,Niccolò Machiavelli, 1532, The Prince, Chapter 1.

# S: (n) democracy, republic, commonwealth (a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them)
# S: (n) republic (a form of government whose head of state is not a monarch) "the head of state in a republic is usually a president"

I expect people to criticize above definition, since it's from Princeton University dictionary..

It's all a matter of who are the voters. And how do they choose who they vote for. And finally, what happens, if who they voted for, don't do as the voters expected them to do.