Draleg vs the server vieuwpoint

[Harlequin]

Im not trying to win anything.. Im here to finish this once and forall till we all quit

For once, I think Rek has actually said something profoundly relevant: there are those on both sides of the war that will refuse to give up no matter what. The egos and the pride will stand in the way of this war ever ending.

As people have already said, this war, like every other in SGW is incapable of being won without won side or the other surrendering. I use the term war very lightly here - I think it's evident that both sides are farming themselves more than the other and the idea of massing has gone straight out of the window.

When wars get to this point they are incredibly boring; it's unsurprising to see that many have dropped out on both sides and will probably continue to do so into the future. SGW, when all is said and done, is a game and games are meant to be fun. War on SGW is fun for a week, maybe two and then it becomes tiresome - SGW becomes a chore; something to be tolerated in the hope that one day it will pay off and hey, you might get back to fun-SGW again.

The war system is also quite fundamentally flawed - why give your opponent fair warning of an impending attack? Why give your enemies the chance to break through your nox? I personally think the resolution system is also flawed - take the AR vs TC war for instance: we were statless and had absolutely nothing to lose; TC had huge defenses and lots of spies. Any such built-in war would favour AR unfairly.

So to summarise: the war is boring, and is sucking what fun remains from SGW leaving just the egotistical (I probably qualify in that category, to be perfectly honest) and the noobs posting on the forum for one side or the other.

[caesar2]

Im not trying to win anything.. Im here to finish this once and forall till we all quit

quit? NO! we cant quit, im learning my kid to play this should be traditional game for generations

of course, your right REK, once i must agree

[Draleg]

also read viewtopic.php?f=101&t=124271

( post has being locked by Buck but still a good read )

[facepie]

imo, about the current server war

noone cares bout it anymore except for the people involved, i barely remember its on most of the time, but the alliances involved have a heavy reputation of massing so the majority of people still tend to avoid them wether their in a war or not

I reckon Radical Minority was the best thing that happened to the war, pity they disbanded

[Manetheren]

Remember the good ole days with no planets, no mothership, and killable uu?

[Mathlord]

I reckon Radical Minority was the best thing that happened to the war, pity they disbanded

What exactly did they do this war?

2005 was a good time...I liked my spy level 17

[Borek]

i leave the politics to other people, i'm pretty much in it to grow my account and have some fun, which can be tough when people don't build much and/or only attack when they are 100% sure the target is offline.

For me Nox was the worst thing ever to be put into the game, it means massing someone who's online is very difficult and when they are offline it takes 30-45 mins and quite often you can't finish the job as they phase. so the end result is no desire to actually fight active players who are online, which means less banter, more bitterness and frustration for all involved.

[MEZZANINE]

I agree when wars turn into no/low stat farming they just get dull, admin have done what they can to limit wars and give clear winners with different types of war setting but it's still up to individual alliances to agree to the conditions and abide by the outcomes of these war settings. I have suggested before that income and UP need to be linked to def so that all players have to maintain stats related their production levels but the suggestion got little interest. I also think that without a def, mine slaves should escape, a small % loss each turn would encourage more activity.

If FUALL and TJP were willing to split into there component alliance as they currently stand and face off in alliance-v-alliance wars judged by one of the current war setting types then a winner could be determined. But this option has always been there and I doubt it will ever happen.

From an independent point of view, the FUALL-v-TJP war considered a good thing at first, to see the empires take huge losses in resources and production capacity seemed to give others a chance to catch up but now it's just as frustrating for independents who would like to attack some members or member alliances of the empires but cant do it without getting dragged into the unending farmfest.

As for buying USS to keep planets thats a personal and financial choice, I dont know how many do it but would guess it's a small %

[*zesh*]

nice topic

the wars just about personal pride

trying to bore the other side into submission tbh

im not 100% sure its winnable in a true sense, just like modern war nowadays

did america really defeat iraq- nope cos its impossible to defeat in the old fashioned sense of the word, just as it is in sgw nowadays

everyones too big to powerful to 'lose'. people are just slogging it out for pride, personally whichever way it goes i see quite a few people leaving when the war finally ends, hell though it takes me less time to play then it did. Cant farm like i used too, and theres no hours wasted in diplomacy etc.

[GeneralChaos]

There wont be a winner, look how many have quit the game or just left, each side the posts haha you lost a member, or they ran, or they sold up, ummm ok, if they sell up for RL thats fair enough that would happen war or no war, when they leave because of outright boredom, thats not a good thing, if 1 side all sold up would the other be all, HAHA we won they all quit, hardly a good victory is it, you just destroyed half the game.....and put the nail abit further into the coffin.

The new war systems will never be used, not by big alliances anyway.

This will still be going on at Christmas and more people will have quit by then.

Just another perfect example of how this community is destroying itself really.

ALSO all them alliances that have moved up the rankings cause of this war, yea well watch what happens to them when the war does eventually end, just remember who started "the educators"

[REK]

lol.... I wanna see this alliance on page 12 reach page 1... hmm there inactive so may have to mass alot of people till then

[GeneralChaos]

lol.... I wanna see this alliance on page 12 reach page 1... hmm there inactive so may have to mass alot of people till then

LOL should we pick 1 random alliance that see if we can make them reach page 1 mass every alliance ahead of them....

[REK]

THATS THE NEW PLAN...

[facepie]

I reckon Radical Minority was the best thing that happened to the war, pity they disbanded

What exactly did they do this war?

2005 was a good time...I liked my spy level 17

i dnno, but i liked the fact they picked their own side instead of going mainstream

ROFL @ REK and GeneralChaos, good luck

[TheRook]

The war technically was over in the first 2-3 weeks...

most of the people involved were massed and it just degenerated into turn farming the quickest...

5-6 weeks later people were getting bored of turn farming so now it just turned into who could sit at their computers teh longest and turn farm...

the update was released...

more powerful fleets came in...

planets vanished... (MPSDs/stolen)

now its back to those who have the most time farming...

I know the last 2 months of my time has been spent occasionally doing a bit of farming... spending 4 days on ppt...

when I'm not on ppt I may log in once a day to train... if i dont no big deal...

if I miss the end of my ppt.. oh well...

if I leave myself off crit/nox as I missed the end of my ppt I'll just leave it and log on maybe the next day if I remember...


many time I've been bored of the game but I was still interested enough to bank/train not miss the end of my PPT's

I didnt think I'd get to the point where I wouldn't worry about missing the end of my ppt... now I'm at that point I just dont see much point in bothering logging on at all..


The war itself is unlikely to end purely because people are too stubborn to go "hey, screw it lets just stop" because someone else will come along and say "har har you quitted we won!"

its pathetic this war has to end... but it wont unless some treaty is drawn up or both sides go hey lets just stop and leave it at that so we can get back on with the game...

What is it now 10-15 alliances at least involved in this... and really look at all these other alliances jumping up in power... This is why the war needs to stop... because we are just putting our alliances down while others get ahead...

anyhow sorry you had to read that dribble...

TheRook